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Quote from: Rruchi man on November 08, 2021, 05:40:13 AM

-Is there a possibility that spectators of a sport like you and i with no professional training can develop a better understanding of a sport than some professional coaches of some teams?

That's not going to happen, it takes a lot of things to become a coach, in fact, to be a coach you have to go through proper training, be a player or become an assistant coach first, you must know everything inside of the team and how to build and motivate a team you don't pick a guy out of spectators and think he can coach, there are good spectators of games but that doesn't mean they will be good in coaching.

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We don't have a coaching mindset and we're just watching at all but it doesn't stop us from analyzing decisions, plays, and rosters when we're watching sports that we love.
It is very common to have that commentary whenever we watch games that it seems not working along with how we're expecting it to be. In the end, we're making speculations that this and that is much better if done and decided by the coach.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on November 08, 2021, 06:35:23 AM

Spectators (Couch Coaches) have the luxury to make calm decisions, without any stress at home, because they are not under pressure. A lot of the actual coaches have to make split decisions based on 1000's of strategies that has been discussed with the players in the week before.

Hehehe indeed. Most fans turned couch coaches only become an "expert" after the match is over. It's much easier to say things in hindsight and actual coaches doesn't have that luxury. Another thing they are criticized for is not making adjustments or substitutions during a match when things aren't looking good but it's not that easy as well.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on November 08, 2021, 05:40:13 AM

I understand that getting a professional knowledge in coaching introduces an individual to aspects of a sport not known by all, but oftentimes i have witnessed individuals (spectators) of a sport, due to extreme love for a sport become masters of a sport so much that it seems almost like they now know the sport better than some coaches.

Whenever a game is going on say football, you always hear such individuals question the coach's line up and tactics, you hear questions like -

-Why is he (the coach) not playing player xyz?
-why did he (the coach) use player xyz instead of players zyx?
-why is he (that is the coach) using this formation instead the other one? and so on.

-Is there a possibility that spectators of a sport like you and i with no professional training can develop a better understanding of a sport than some professional coaches of some teams?

Even if someone has spent 30 or even 40 years in the stands of a stadium, he has never attended a sports club board meeting. The coach is responsible not only for what is happening on the pitch. Obviously, the results are the most important, but it is very important to know how to get them.
To know how to do it, you need to have a lot of experience, and good trainers train professionally for many years.
So no, it's definitely impossible!

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Observers only know the theory of the ball game in front of the television screen. Almost all football spectators must have various observations. But is it really hard to say smarter? obviously not, because in the field it will be very different. The coach knows much better. But this is unique in the world of football. Everyone can come up with various comments, suggesting strategies and even players who should enter the field as if observers know much better. And it is considered as something perfect to apply on the field if Ronaldo, Ibra, Messi, Mbappe, Kante, Salah, and Neymar are in one football club. Lol

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Quote from: goaldigger on November 08, 2021, 04:46:21 PM

Spectator always have to say but it doesn’t mean they are better to the coaches because they are not professionals and they just know how the game works but with regards to strategies, I still believe on coaches. There are times that we see differently simply because we are seeing the whole picture what we don’t know is the situation on the grounds and between players, just place your bet if you think the right way.

This is what my take here also. If you feel you are better than the coach, why not place a bet and see for yourself if what you think is really right? Because being a coach is a different scenario. Once you are on the floor, the environment is different and also, the approach is different because you need to apply technical aspects in order to get ahead of the game. And some people can't see their ways because spectators are mostly after for what they can see with their eyes. But some are hidden strategies that they can't explain it to the audience.

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Quote from: goaldigger on November 08, 2021, 04:46:21 PM

Spectator always have to say but it doesn’t mean they are better to the coaches because they are not professionals and they just know how the game works but with regards to strategies, I still believe on coaches. There are times that we see differently simply because we are seeing the whole picture what we don’t know is the situation on the grounds and between players, just place your bet if you think the right way.

Even just a non long time sport fan would able to give out their words and those countless of "why" specially on the time on where their teams are losing or had already lost the game.They would be always be having that kind of reasoning which is something not really that surprising on having those kind of reactions as it looks that they are much better with those team coaches.Expect those words that do commonly come out and as said that even they had said their own but doesnt mean that they are much
better with those who do handle out an entire team which does have more experience that you do.

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Spectator always have to say but it doesn’t mean they are better to the coaches because they are not professionals and they just know how the game works but with regards to strategies, I still believe on coaches. There are times that we see differently simply because we are seeing the whole picture what we don’t know is the situation on the grounds and between players, just place your bet if you think the right way.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on November 08, 2021, 05:40:13 AM

I understand that getting a professional knowledge in coaching introduces an individual to aspects of a sport not known by all, but oftentimes i have witnessed individuals (spectators) of a sport, due to extreme love for a sport become masters of a sport so much that it seems almost like they now know the sport better than some coaches.

Whenever a game is going on say football, you always hear such individuals question the coach's line up and tactics, you hear questions like -

-Why is he (the coach) not playing player xyz?
-why did he (the coach) use player xyz instead of players zyx?
-why is he (that is the coach) using this formation instead the other one? and so on.

-Is there a possibility that spectators of a sport like you and i with no professional training can develop a better understanding of a sport than some professional coaches of some teams?

That is going to be difficult, there is no doubt that some spectators know their game very well to the point that they could take decent decisions if they were given the position, but it is impossible for them to be as good as the ones actually coaching the game because the access they have to the information is limited.

Even if we live in an age in which the information seems to flow freely, clubs keep a lot of information to themselves, as such a fan is never going to know that information and while he may think that a certain strategy could work under certain circumstances the coach knows why this is simply not possible due to the information only he and a small circle has.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on November 08, 2021, 05:40:13 AM

-Is there a possibility that spectators of a sport like you and i with no professional training can develop a better understanding of a sport than some professional coaches of some teams?

It is my experience that most athletic, fitness and sports coaches are not good at what they do.

They're usually people who might know some of the basics and have some background in the sport they coach. For them coaching is a 9 to 5 job where they do nothing to expand, update or improve their knowledge base. They continue to use the same basic knowledge they were taught which will often be outdated or obsolete.

As a result, there are fans who are more credible and informed than coaches. Simply due to fans being bigger students of the game and being more up to date. This is a very common theme. Even at the highest levels of coaching in sports, there is a significant proportion of the population that does not belong there and does not legitimately deserve their position.

Coaches are there for reasons audience can't take part of.
However, in some cases, there are really knowledgeable spectators and they can see what the coaches can't see.
It is like outside perspective and I guess, it is not new. This is why some sportsbettors who are really very familiar with the sports can make a lot of money.
Remember, there are some sportsbettors who can really make this as a living. Because if you are really good at it, your winning chances are high.
So if you feel you are better than coaches, why not use it to your advantage? Sportsbetting may give you a lucrative hobby.

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to know I think the audience actually knows better what to do and what to do.
but it's just an expectation and not a reality because basically we can only sort about the possibility that will happen.
On the other hand, the evidence that the audience knows the truth is that sometimes their guess will be better than the coach's intuition.
but on the other hand the audience is still an audience who really can't be as professional as players and coaches

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Quote from: Rruchi man on November 08, 2021, 05:40:13 AM

-Is there a possibility that spectators of a sport like you and i with no professional training can develop a better understanding of a sport than some professional coaches of some teams?

It is my experience that most athletic, fitness and sports coaches are not good at what they do.

They're usually people who might know some of the basics and have some background in the sport they coach. For them coaching is a 9 to 5 job where they do nothing to expand, update or improve their knowledge base. They continue to use the same basic knowledge they were taught which will often be outdated or obsolete.

As a result, there are fans who are more credible and informed than coaches. Simply due to fans being bigger students of the game and being more up to date. This is a very common theme. Even at the highest levels of coaching in sports, there is a significant proportion of the population that does not belong there and does not legitimately deserve their position.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on November 08, 2021, 05:40:13 AM

I understand that getting a professional knowledge in coaching introduces an individual to aspects of a sport not known by all, but oftentimes i have witnessed individuals (spectators) of a sport, due to extreme love for a sport become masters of a sport so much that it seems almost like they now know the sport better than some coaches.

Whenever a game is going on say football, you always hear such individuals question the coach's line up and tactics, you hear questions like -

-Why is he (the coach) not playing player xyz?
-why did he (the coach) use player xyz instead of players zyx?
-why is he (that is the coach) using this formation instead the other one? and so on.

-Is there a possibility that spectators of a sport like you and i with no professional training can develop a better understanding of a sport than some professional coaches of some teams?

There is definitely something to be said about observers who are very close to the game, however they will tend to be experts in one team while maybe following other teams less closely - which makes it hard to find an advantage overall. It you have a solid team that is winning game after game, it is unlikely that formula will be changed by any sensible coach, but injuries can cause new players to be cycled in and they may either weaken or improve a team. A keen follower might be able to distinguish that and possibly identify that they may lose a game due to reduced skill or cohesion, but it will be very hard to do consistently by a single person. It's worth adding that an Australian betting syndicate is making big money by identifying small discrepancies between odds on peer to peer exchanges versus bookies, which would be a similar thing taking place.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on November 08, 2021, 05:40:13 AM

I understand that getting a professional knowledge in coaching introduces an individual to aspects of a sport not known by all, but oftentimes i have witnessed individuals (spectators) of a sport, due to extreme love for a sport become masters of a sport so much that it seems almost like they now know the sport better than some coaches.

Whenever a game is going on say football, you always hear such individuals question the coach's line up and tactics, you hear questions like -

-Why is he (the coach) not playing player xyz?
-why did he (the coach) use player xyz instead of players zyx?
-why is he (that is the coach) using this formation instead the other one? and so on.

-Is there a possibility that spectators of a sport like you and i with no professional training can develop a better understanding of a sport than some professional coaches of some teams?

You know, everyone thinks that they are the professionals and they know everything better. Just have a look at your life, there are a lot of people who didn't succeed in their life and are average or below average Joes but give you a lot of advices about a lot of things. Some may say that you need to marry ASAP, some may say that you should never marry, some may say that you should get high education, some say that sport pays the better and so on.

The same applies to your question. Maybe in certain moments the spectators can be right because in each different situation, each individual may act differently. People don't know what's happening behind the scene in matches, maybe there was different dialogue/communication between the coach and the plays? Maybe player XYZ asked the coach to play player ZYX instead of him? Maybe coach wants to give a chance to player ZYX to probably shine?
There are really a lot of reasons behind every decision, people just judge it easily.

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Many professional coaches are former players and in addition have so much experience that they in any case know better what strategy to use against a particular team and depending on its composition. In any field, there are armchair critics who think that they know what is best in any given situation.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on November 08, 2021, 05:40:13 AM

I understand that getting a professional knowledge in coaching introduces an individual to aspects of a sport not known by all, but oftentimes i have witnessed individuals (spectators) of a sport, due to extreme love for a sport become masters of a sport so much that it seems almost like they now know the sport better than some coaches.

Whenever a game is going on say football, you always hear such individuals question the coach's line up and tactics, you hear questions like -

-Why is he (the coach) not playing player xyz?
-why did he (the coach) use player xyz instead of players zyx?
-why is he (that is the coach) using this formation instead the other one? and so on.

-Is there a possibility that spectators of a sport like you and i with no professional training can develop a better understanding of a sport than some professional coaches of some teams?

I can say yes, but not in general.
Spectators or a coach can see everything that is it happens on the ground more than those players on the field. That is why players must have to listen what the coach has been said or else, they will fail. Maybe we could say that they don't have huge experience in a certain sport(like football) but he was able to picture out the best position for a player to make a score by simply looking and understanding the game movement and that is very important as a coach. Even the audience can make their own ideas and strategy by just simply observing the game flow.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on November 08, 2021, 05:40:13 AM

-Is there a possibility that spectators of a sport like you and i with no professional training can develop a better understanding of a sport than some professional coaches of some teams?

They wont be called coach in the first place if they aren't really good on making out decisions specially if we do talk about formation and crucial formation
which would help out for a certain team to win.

It is just that normal that speculators around would give out their sentiments basing on what they do observe and of course personal suggestions and things
on what they do have in mind.

Overall,i don't really believe that they are much better with those coaches.Why they would tend out to make themselves as a coach? lol

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Quote from: fiulpro on November 08, 2021, 01:30:26 PM

But the coach does know the players by heart, he is the one who spends hours training them therefore the spectators might know a lot about theory, practical but the coach knows more deeply overall.

Simple but meaningful, the coach who worked out with the team knows the players deeper. By the book, maybe spectators know and understand the composition, but chemistry wise that thing belongs to the coach. He can change the directions of the game if he brings someone inside who is not familiar with the system.

I value how coaches determine which player is fit for the role; he knows them by heart and choosing who's going to play is what coach
Job, he needs to make sure that he is bringing the right sets of people. Cool

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Quote from: Rruchi man on November 08, 2021, 05:40:13 AM

-Is there a possibility that spectators of a sport like you and i with no professional training can develop a better understanding of a sport than some professional coaches of some teams?

I think this is felt by all the football fans in the world, they suddenly know more than every inch of the game. But the fact is not at all much better know. It's just that all the comments that emerged from the audience that he thought were true. But just try this and that comment that is made as a football spectator commentator, it is not necessarily true that he becomes a coach.

Don't be surprised, this is common, fans always comment from behind a glass screen, it doesn't mean you can become a coach or a player on the field.

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I do think it's all dependent on the person who is sitting and studying about all this, my dad who is a big fan of cricket literally, reads every news, article, watches all kinds of arguments, shows, and at the end never misses even a single match. That's how it goes for some people, they are not just into the game but they are wholy dedicated to that particular sports as a well. Therefore I do believe that these kinds of people knows a lot about these things. I do think that their opinion is actually really important, sometimes people can predict exactly what's gonna happen and it usually is a big deal for gaming gambling industry as well, that way they can make a lot of money.

But the coach does know the players by heart, he is the one who spends hours training them therefore the spectators might know a lot about theory, practical but the coach knows more deeply overall.

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