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Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 10:26:40 AM

OK I gonna explain myself here.

I'm not saying that terrorist attacks don't happen. That the dead people aren't dead or whatever.
What I am questioning here is the existence of independent organisations.

Few elements leading me to wonder this:
-All major terrorist attacks are used as an opportunity by the governments. Bataclan attack, 9/11... They're used to distract the people from important economic and political questions. To add even more regulation and control in daily life. To monitor private data.
-All major terrorist organizations have been trained and financed by West. Guess where Ben Laden learnt everything? That's right, America.

And the one main reason: terrorist attacks are shit. I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

But no. They only do few spectacular attacks when people are starting to question the government.

So is all this really terrorist organizations? Are they just really stupid considering their "attacks of the Western civilization"?

Yes. They do exist.

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Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 10:26:40 AM

OK I gonna explain myself here.

I'm not saying that terrorist attacks don't happen. That the dead people aren't dead or whatever.
What I am questioning here is the existence of independent organisations.

Few elements leading me to wonder this:
-All major terrorist attacks are used as an opportunity by the governments. Bataclan attack, 9/11... They're used to distract the people from important economic and political questions. To add even more regulation and control in daily life. To monitor private data.
-All major terrorist organizations have been trained and financed by West. Guess where Ben Laden learnt everything? That's right, America.

And the one main reason: terrorist attacks are shit. I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

But no. They only do few spectacular attacks when people are starting to question the government.

So is all this really terrorist organizations? Are they just really stupid considering their "attacks of the Western civilization"?

well it started here with few dump teenagers who thought that theyare being bosses
then we started to see these groups getting bigger and started to have heavy weapons
the common thing between them that they are all supported by the US and its allies , so your question is kinda tricky but the obvious thing that these groups are doing exactly what the US wants

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Quote from: bitsmichel on March 09, 2016, 11:06:55 AM

Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 10:26:40 AM

Few elements leading me to wonder this:
-All major terrorist attacks are used as an opportunity by the governments. Bataclan attack, 9/11... They're used to distract the people from important economic and political questions. To add even more regulation and control in daily life. To monitor private data.

Governments role is to regulate and collect tax. Is it different anywhere?

Incorrect - the state is defined by its monopoly on violence.

A few days ago, the US military killed 150 "militants" in an unmanned drone attack in Somalia. What is the difference between this and a bomb attack in Europe by some Arab guys? Answer: one act is "justified" by a government and a willing mass media, one is not.

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Just watch international news, they are everywhere.These terrorist groups are scattered around the world.Its obvious that they have organizations and have connections in other countries.

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Quote from: arbitrage on March 11, 2016, 05:57:44 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on March 10, 2016, 12:08:04 PM

Fixed it for you.

I don't agree with you, CIA found and groomed Saddam Hussein.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/how_the_cia_found_and_groomed_saddam.html
And after he was no longer necessary, ( he started to thinking good for his people) they found he has weapons of mass destruction. This is just smal examlpe of duplicity and hypocrisy of the west.

Okay.

Let's add Iraq to the list, if you want.

But Iran has openly admitted backing various terrorist causes.

So it makes no sense, not even propaganda disinformation sense, for you to claim it's the USA.

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Quote from: Spendulus on March 10, 2016, 12:08:04 PM

Fixed it for you.

I don't agree with you, CIA found and groomed Saddam Hussein.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/how_the_cia_found_and_groomed_saddam.html
And after he was no longer necessary, ( he started to thinking good for his people) they found he has weapons of mass destruction. This is just smal examlpe of duplicity and hypocrisy of the west.

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Every day I read about terrorist organizations and I think this is the greatest evil on this planet .They are real and in the future will hurt a lot of innocent people.There's no end.

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well actually they are called terrorist groups and yes they exist i mean the one everyone knows is isis

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This question is obvious. I think everyone is asking this themselve sooner or later.
And also it is obvious that they are supported more widely in their origin countries, in a morale way, than we think.
Lately there was a report on a local news site, and they confirmed this.
no matter how you turn it, it isnt the best proof that our intelligence agencies are working efficiently.

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the only terrorists on the planet represent some guberment or other Sad

guberment can not fix the problem when they are the problem

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Quote from: Fortify on March 09, 2016, 05:05:41 PM

Quote from: magnific61 on March 09, 2016, 04:34:01 PM

BUT. ..
At same time, western civilisation occupied and exploited world's sources and for that killed millions of people. 20th, century's wars were the most fatal wars. Western civilisation also found the most deadly weapons and missiles.
Terror is terrible and unacceptable but western civilization terrorized the other side of world.
You may say that they deserved it?
No! Nobody deserves killed by a suicide bombing.
To explode a bomb among innocent civilians must be the worst thing to do.
But terror rarely hits western civilisation. Mostly hits other side of world whose sources were exploited.

I don't know why so many of the wars in the past have been fought, probably to keep the military industrial complex going - that's the problem with creating so much expensive weaponry, you kinda need to show a use for it. This doesn't absolve any of the guilt, most of the time we get involved in a vain effort to be the heroes but it inadvertently makes matters worse.

Capitalism in America has evolved into something ugly. Wealth has become too concentrated, there is a point where you simply do not need any more money to live comfortably for the rest of your life. Anyone hoarding piles of money when there is still poverty and natural destruction in your country is greedy.

The most greedy few people are the most rich. They have maybe for million years enough money but they want more and more.
World's sources enough maybe for 10 bliion people but income distribution is not justice. Therefore poor hates rich. Rich doesn't help poor. Contrary wants what poor has. If onebody poor and ignorant, he is potential terrorist candidate in convenient hand.

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Quote from: arbitrage on March 10, 2016, 10:17:08 AM

"Almost 70,000 Muslim clerics have come together to pass a fatwa against global terrorist organizations, including the Taliban, al Qaeda and the militant group that calls itself the Islamic State."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslim-clerics-condemn-terrorism_us_566adfa1e4b009377b249dea

Real danger are sponsors. ~~US secret services~~ Iran are behind every major terrorist attacks in the world,
if not directly, they knew it that would happen, from their sources.

Fixed it for you.

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To answer OP yes, they do - the three-letter agencies...

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"Almost 70,000 Muslim clerics have come together to pass a fatwa against global terrorist organizations, including the Taliban, al Qaeda and the militant group that calls itself the Islamic State."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslim-clerics-condemn-terrorism_us_566adfa1e4b009377b249dea

Real danger are sponsors. US secret services are behind every major terrorist attacks in the world,
if not directly, they knew it that would happen, from their sources.

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I think that they exist and they are very well organized. They activley recruit their members, collect funds through different sources and plan actions. In every moment they can organize an individual or a group who will performe something and the hierarchy is very strong. Terorist organizations are not science fiction.

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The proof many of the terrorist attacks that we have seen in the west can be put down to self-radicalisation of small groups or individuals.

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Terrorist organizations exist in most of the countries. Without such organization, making people with same thoughts get united is simply strange. Only because of such organization terrorist attacks are getting increased.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 09, 2016, 08:03:40 PM

Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 10:26:40 AM

I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

Uh OK whatever. That sounds like you're quite young or quite naive or both. But either way, you are correct about the dumb and useless part except terrorists don't see it that way at all. It's a cause to them, a crusade.

So those organizations exist, and yes governments do take advantage of it but they take advantage of everything. That part shouldn't be surprising. If you want to see some real conspiracy theories, go to septemberclues.org or letsrollforum.org. It's some of the crazies shit you've ever seen.

To understand the use of terror to achieve ends, just look at the "career" of Yassir Arafat. Hundreds of bombings and terrorist actions that he condoned or directly aided and planned, all while the "leader of the Palestinian people" and ALL designed both as to location, and timing, to maximize world media exposure.

He played the media like a fiddle, just as the latest Middle Eastern extremists are doing today, and just like they will do tomorrow. That is the goal - to put their "cause" on the front page of the world media.

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Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 10:26:40 AM

I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

Uh OK whatever. That sounds like you're quite young or quite naive or both. But either way, you are correct about the dumb and useless part except terrorists don't see it that way at all. It's a cause to them, a crusade.

So those organizations exist, and yes governments do take advantage of it but they take advantage of everything. That part shouldn't be surprising. If you want to see some real conspiracy theories, go to septemberclues.org or letsrollforum.org. It's some of the crazies shit you've ever seen.

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Quote from: craked5 on March 09, 2016, 10:26:40 AM

OK I gonna explain myself here.

I'm not saying that terrorist attacks don't happen. That the dead people aren't dead or whatever.
What I am questioning here is the existence of independent organisations.

Few elements leading me to wonder this:
-All major terrorist attacks are used as an opportunity by the governments. Bataclan attack, 9/11... They're used to distract the people from important economic and political questions. To add even more regulation and control in daily life. To monitor private data.
-All major terrorist organizations have been trained and financed by West. Guess where Ben Laden learnt everything? That's right, America.

And the one main reason: terrorist attacks are shit. I mean seriously, 99% of what they do is both dumb and useless. Their attacks might be a little scary I'll give you that. But give me 15 men and 10k$ and I'll put the whole France down on its knees. 150 men and 200k$ and it will be the Europe that will cry like a baby.

But no. They only do few spectacular attacks when people are starting to question the government.

So is all this really terrorist organizations? Are they just really stupid considering their "attacks of the Western civilization"?

I think you err in starting with your opinions based on "Recent Western News."

A more comprehensive view is possible, say consider a couple of decades, the "whole world."

Also, these guys know exactly what they are doing with "terror." To understand that you must look at their actual writings and concepts and world view.

Quote from: gentlemand on March 09, 2016, 07:28:41 PM

Groups of people using violence to make a point? I think it's just possible that that isn't the sole remit of governments. Call me a crazy head if you like.

Does not look exactly like "governments" at the core of the problem....

www.thereligionofpeace.com

http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/a/TerroristGroups.htm

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