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December 05, 2018, 11:51:32 AM
Shifting from Central Planning to a Decentralised Economy: Do we Need Central Banks?
by Professor Richard A. Werner, D.Phil. (Oxon)

I. The Central Bank Narrative

For more than the past four decades, public policy discourse, especially when touching on macroeconomic and monetary policy, has been dominated by the views held and actively sponsored by the central banks, particularly in Europe and North-America, as well as Japan.

Their policy narrative has been consistent over time and virtually identical between central banks, which is why I shall refer to it collectively as the ‘central bank narrative’. It has been mirrored in the type of economics that central bankers have supported and that has indeed subsequently become dominant in academia and among the economists selected as the experts of choice in the major newspapers and television channels: the theoreticians advancing neo-classical economics.

This central bank narrative (and hence also the dominant neo-classical economics, also known as ‘mainstream economics’) has at least five major pillars, which I shall list briefly:



The truth of the matter is: We don’t need central banks. Since 97% of the money supply is created by banks, the importance of central banks is far smaller than generally envisaged. Moreover, the kind of money that commercial banks create is not privileged at law. Legally, our money supply is simply private company credit, which can be created by any company, with or without banking license.

Eurozone countries, having given up the right to their own currencies, can still create money and reflate the economy: the government, for instance in Spain, simply needs to stop the issuance of government bonds, and fund the entire public sector borrowing requirement from the domestic banks that create it out of nothing – and can do so at more competitive rates as the bond markets: this policy of Enhanced Debt Management (Werner, 2014b) not only would make it obvious that Spain does not need the ECB, but it would also put the national debt profiteers – the bond underwriting firms such as Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley – out of business.

This reality of private money creation also means that we can, without legal obstacles, create a decentralized system of local currencies, without central bank involvement.

The key principle of such decentralization is local autonomy, self-determination, self-responsibility and self-administration. These are in fact the fundamental principles of the co-operative movement, as championed by Hermann Schultze-Delitzsch and Wilhelm Raiffeisen over 150 years ago. This co-operative movement early on realized that a crucial role for co-operatives is in the creation of co-operative banks controlled by the local communities. Sadly, in the UK credit unions are not banks, since they are not allowed to lend to firms in meaningful amounts, and don’t have a banking license. Thus we need to create true community banks.

Lord Action pointed out:

 

“It is easier to find people fit to govern themselves than people fit to govern others”.

 

“Towns were the nursery of freedom.”

 

The German banking system is dominated by 1,500 community banks, which are also the majority of banks in the entire EU. This means that 80% of German banks are not-for-profit, which has strengthened the German economy for the past 200 years. A banking system consisting of many small banks is also far less prone to boom-bust cycles and it creates more jobs per given amount of loan than large banks. Thus community banks also result in a more equal income and wealth distribution.

Local banking is highly popular in Germany, because SMEs get access to finance that would not be serviced by large banks. The community banks provide their services at competitive rates and support their customers also during recessions. With community banks, the wider community gets a bank whose goals are aligned with theirs, banks that pay taxes, banks that support local growth and jobs. At the same time community banks offer customers a place to put their money where it can benefit the local community, not far-flung projects or speculators.

Can we tackle this challenge?

Until the 1970s, there has been much optimism in economics and there have been high expectations that many of the problems of mankind would soon be solved.

Was this a reasonable expectation?

While it has not come true, it was a reasonable expectation. This is because

 

“Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man. And man can be as big as he wants. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings”

John F. Kennedy
I very much doubt that we are moving from centralized planning to a decentralized economy. I think that the state and the decentralized economy are incompatible concepts. The economy in any state can only be centralized.
As for central banks, they are actually part of the state and will exist as long as the states themselves exist. No state will decide on the abolition of national central banks. We have no opportunity to influence this process.
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December 05, 2018, 11:27:42 AM
Until now it is difficult to know the consequences that the elimination of the central banks would have, because it is something that has not happened since its creation, neither in the most liberal or anarchist governments, but perhaps with the advance of the cryptos that is possible, but I see it as a distant future.
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December 05, 2018, 10:14:20 AM
Definitely we have to need Central Banks immediately because of we can transfer cryptocurrency in banks and we will get Fiat money.
But if government will not makes regulation for legalizing Bitcoin we can't hope for central banks.
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December 05, 2018, 04:30:50 AM
Although cryptocurrency has a tendency to replace the central government, it still cannot replace the central bank!
Banks still play a very important role in our daily economic life, and the banking industry is self-renewing to meet the development of society and technology!
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December 05, 2018, 04:19:58 AM
In as much as we use the fiat currencies yes, we need the central bank. The central bank has their uses. The cryptocurrency usage is decentralized so central banks are not needed in the crypto space. The two can coexist for us to choose which we want to use
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December 05, 2018, 03:49:59 AM
But it hasn't been that way for very long. The industrial revolution was financed with various tokens and note created by industrial companies (e.g. cotton mills etc.), local banks and entrepreneurs.

Legal tender came in to the picture as there was a need for order in the chaos. There were lots of scams at the time.

Today, we have a digital revolution going on and similarly cryptocurrencies are arriving on the scene.

If the financial stability aspect of fiat currency cannot be upheld (mathematical certainty), there is much more to come.
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December 05, 2018, 03:06:48 AM
Yes, countries without this need will be difficult to support the economy. for all the time of their existence, they developed the tasks of which should adhere to: - the stability of the national monetary unit, which in this case is understood both as the stability of the currency inside the country (that is, suggests low inflation), and how its stability in external payments (that is, assumes a stable course);

- stability of the financial system, understood as the absence of large-scale banking crises and the ability of the financial system to ensure payments in the economy;

- Despite the fact that today, most of all, these goals are explicitly or implicitly set before monetary authorities, historically, their composition and priority have changed.
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December 05, 2018, 03:04:24 AM
if we all go p2p crypto, we don't need any bank, and no central bank.

Yes, but technically we can't. Cryptos don't scale yet. And the only way to get in to them is by exchanging fiat (mining is no longer realistic for individuals and both bitcoin and ethereum are highly centralized in mining as well as distribution).

This is why I am combining a centralized approach to the decentralized nature of cryptos. It can be distributed this way. Everyone gets 50 ECOS in oecosystema (initial supply is 0). OecoSystema: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/no-ongoing-project-5079577
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December 05, 2018, 02:55:03 AM
In my opinion, we need the central bank to withdraw fiat money that we get from bitcoin. Requires a central bank because not all governments legalize bitcoin so that in using it for daily needs this central bank needs.

I agree, but central banks do not have individuals as customers, only banks. It is the commercial banks that enable this function of bitcoin/fiat exchange. This works as long as the system is stable. In a country like Venezuela with hyperinflation, people do not want fiat. There it is better to hold on to bitcoin etc. and use them for daily expenses directly.

In Venezuela, operating a crypto mining rig is illegal and you can be imprisoned for it. Still, according to Bloomberg most households in the capital run a mining operation because there is no trust in government, banks or the central bank.

I doubt governments will ever legalize Bitcoin as legal tender.
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December 05, 2018, 02:51:33 AM
if we all go p2p crypto, we don't need any bank, and no central bank.
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December 05, 2018, 02:29:57 AM
In my opinion, we need the central bank to withdraw fiat money that we get from bitcoin. Requires a central bank because not all governments legalize bitcoin so that in using it for daily needs this central bank needs.
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December 05, 2018, 02:28:07 AM
Banks are over, the paradigm is moribund. In the coming years we'll see UBIs brought in. Energy & production will be free. Currency itself will be devalued.

Estonia already has an Ethereum wallet built in to their new national ID cards. With that kind of solution, implementing a UBI is technically possible.

On the banking system, Nouriel Roubini recently said the following: "Central banks should issue their own digital currencies to replace a crisis-prone banking system and shut out cryptocurrencies". https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/19/why-central-bank-digital-currencies-will-destroy-bitcoin

I have founded OecoSystema (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/no-ongoing-project-5079577). It is a combination of both worlds, centralized and decentralized, aimed at low-income people. Instead of waiting for a solution, I think we need to start creating solutions.
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December 05, 2018, 02:10:59 AM
Asking for Central Bank would defeat in no small measures the very purpose for the creation of Cryptocurrency .
Having a central bank, would give the government the power to manipulate the prices of various Cryptocurrency.
Cryptocurrencies are better off without any form of organized control.
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December 05, 2018, 01:43:14 AM
I agree central banks do more bad than good, the central banks are the new rulers, they are the new king and queens, they are designed to keep the poor poorer and  to make the rich richer
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December 05, 2018, 12:48:24 AM
What I knowis that all governments need a central bank because they are the main implementor of the country's monetary policies. It said to regulates the volume of credit and currency, pumping in more money when market is dry of cash, and pumping out money when there is excess of credit. Even the world is fully digital, central banks will still exist because they still have a functions that can not replace by the cryptocurrencies.
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December 04, 2018, 10:45:40 PM
After blockchain technology has been introduced, people will prefer to not use central banks because who wouldn't want to own their own health with this advance technology.
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December 04, 2018, 01:03:58 PM
This is not in any way associated with bank or banking, this is purely cryptocurrency and should remain such. Rather do we need central bank for our dear crypto.
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November 19, 2018, 09:57:52 PM
I think that some kind of regulatory body is still needed. In addition, there are many unique banking transactions which bitcoin cannot change. Therefore, I see the ideal - the adoption of bitcoin by banks and their joint successful work.
In my personal opinion, the central bank is still needed to regulate the financial sector because if it is not regulated it will be a source of economic chaos, observers and cyptocurrency users different from each other which results in the economy not being conducive. Of course the role of the central bank in regulating cryptocurrency is different from the application of fiat money.
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November 09, 2018, 05:45:22 AM
As global economic movements increase, central banks are beginning to be ineffective. Money mobility also increased. Even if central banks try to do the right things, sometimes bad results may arise. In the light of all these data, Bitcoin can be solution with global and a limited number.
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November 09, 2018, 05:40:34 AM
Central banks do need us, lol. It doesn't matter how to call the organization that grabs people's money. It can be called "an exchange," for example  Smiley Smiley
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