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April 13, 2024, 03:59:39 PM
#44
all we see is some ugly CSS, which can be changed when the coding is finished.

Exactly. And we have on the forum quite a number of skilled people that can add an user script and adjust the look and feel here and there if it's getting released and a big number of users won't like it.
Somewhat strange to keep telling that over years, but it's still early to criticize the UI.

For me I think what we see mat just be a sample as the work may have not reached the final stage,for me I see it a mirage which when closer may not appear the way it seem. It may be more attractive at the point of regular use.
Since I don't know the architectural or design originally given to be coded through prescription or discrimination on how the user interface should reflect I can't jump into inference of saying the design don't meet up requirements. I stand to be corrected I believe more more is still in place for me better outlook using CSS to beautier the interface and possibly add some necessary features.
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June 06, 2021, 10:11:40 PM
#43
I don't really care about anymore, people want it so they can have some added features like notifications for quotes/mentions and mobile friendly. For first, we have telegram bots that serve same purpose, for second, I never had problem accessing/using this forum on mobile.
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April 16, 2021, 06:01:43 AM
#42
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Anyone who is interested in donating to my new new forum project should contact me privately.  Cool

I'd give a dime for that crap! You should put this in a white paper and launch a crowdfunding campaign, or maybe even an ICO / IPO.  Wink
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April 15, 2021, 08:20:30 AM
#41
It is true, but migrating a forum of this size to another platform is not an easy task. On the other hand, I have seen many forums "die", as they migrated to other platforms and were unable to guarantee all the features that the community is used to on the new platform.
This was probably due to there being better alternatives to the forum, rather than the new platform scaring people away. Unfortunately, humans in general hate change, and therefore any big or small change is usually off putting, but given enough time we'll adapt to anything put in front of us. So. although at first it might seem significant that it doesn't have x feature, or you don't like the design elements, it quickly evaporates away as you become more familiar with the software.
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April 14, 2021, 03:52:13 AM
#40
But yeah it's a shame that after such a long time we're still on SMF.

It is true, but migrating a forum of this size to another platform is not an easy task. On the other hand, I have seen many forums "die", as they migrated to other platforms and were unable to guarantee all the features that the community is used to on the new platform.
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April 13, 2021, 09:25:52 PM
#39
As far as I remember, this topic has been exhaustively discussed over the years. Most of the development was funded via money from ad slot auctions, and the high cost of remuneration for forum development (at the time, in USD terms) also had plausible explanations. But yeah it's a shame that after such a long time we're still on SMF.
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April 12, 2021, 06:35:21 PM
#38
If Javascript were to become a requirement, then the forum would risk losing some people.  I am not the only one to have expressed similar concerns in the past.
Yeah, I'm really big against most sites that require Javascript to function. Personally, I think as a developer you should be not enforcing something that potentially could compromise their security. Instead, either program the whole thing around without forcing Javascript, or provide an alternative site if it detects the user doesn't have Javascript enabled.

This forum software is great in terms of general use without Javascript. I've actually had to enable it a few times for moderator actions, since there were certain pitfalls while taking certain actions.
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April 11, 2021, 07:53:38 PM
#37
Huh I missed this memo. Porting everything over from AngularJS to Vue?

Imagine devving a forum from scratch around a stupid framework and not even releasing it before LTS ends for your stupid framework (AngularJS  Cheesy).

Everything on this forum makes me rage nowadays

Sheer incompetence.

Awww, rewriting it with a different frontend framework.  That is a classic!  It is almost as good as a total rewrite in a more fashionable language.  If I were to develop the new forum software, I would write it in C; then, I would realize that C is not Cool, and I would rewrite the whole thing in Rust!

That has been my suspicion about Epochtalk for years—since before I even had an account here:  It is intentional.

For you see, intentionally incompetent bespoke software development is often a cover for money laundering.  If you know a guy who knows a guy, there are guys who do this service to small business owners who want to save on taxes; and I reasonably suspect that a large proportion of Daily WTF-tier enterprise software consulting is graft, a conduit for senior executives to divert shareholder equity.  Come to think of it, I suppose that the same scheme would work for money raised with donations.

If done properly, the scheme is bulletproof.  An incompetent developer can never feign adequacy; whereas a talented developer can easily write poorly designed, bug-ridden, unmaintainable code that languishes in Development Hell for eternity.  To an auditor, the latter is indistinguishable from the former.

To be prepared in case of an audit, they guys offering these services do develop something plausible.  They meticulously maintain source repos of unmaintainable horror-code.  They deliver demos, alphas, and betas (but never a finished product).  And even in case of closed-source projects (which are the norm), they have no qualms about showing all of this to any investigator who may ask; if necessary, that is a part of the service.

The business can write all this off as an expense.  It can be an astoundingly large expense, because—well, have you ever seen what software consultants charge!?  Meanwhile, after the “developer” takes his cut, the money somehow finds its way into an offshore bank account.  It helps if the “developer” either is located in a foreign jurisdiction, or has such global connections as may facilitate running up his own “expenses” and “obligations” to make overseas remittances.

In case of diverting funds for graft, such complexity is, of course, unnecessary.  Taxes can even be paid, to avoid the high risk of being “Al Caponed”.  It is all so much easier, if the objective is simply to pilfer from shareholders (or donors) whilst feigning “transparency”.

I hate to mention all of this, because it is unethical to broach such speculation in public.  If my longtime suspicions about Epochtalk are correct, then unless someone is being scammed, I should mind my own business!  And if I am wrong—if this is a crazy conspiracy theory, like the notion that NFTs are 90% cover for money laundering and graft—then I risk drawing the Eye of Sauron to innocent people who are not doing anything illegal.  Rumours, gossip, reputational damage, police harassment, tax audits, unjust prosecutions—so many are the ills which may thus be caused.  To flap one’s lips on the Internet about this stuff is a lose-lose proposition.

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Well, whatever—for the record, my longtime suspicion is the reason, and the only reason why I have never criticized the New Forum Vapourware.  I hate stupidity!  But I always chuckled at Epochtalk:  Wow, LOL, thermos has a good thing going there.  (That was my reaction because until a few days ago, I didn’t realize that the new forum software was funded by donors’ money; I presumed that it was paid for with the proceeds of a privately held business which auctions ads, and has other sources of revenue.)  Terrific amounts of BTC have been “dissipated”; and nobody can prove that it is not all a matter of
Sheer incompetence.



[ANN] Nulltalk, the new new forum software

Everything on this forum makes me rage nowadays

Me, too.  Let’s do something constructive about it.

I propose that I myself should indeed write the new new forum software.  As aforesaid, I will write it in C, then rewrite it in Rust; if I need to take more time, then along the way, I may also rewrite the code in Java, C#, Go, Javascript, Python, C++ with Boost, C++ without Boost, COBOL, MUMPS, Solidity, Visual BASIC, LISP, FORTRAN, and/or Brainfuck.  I don’t know many of these languages; thus, the schedule slippage will be spectacular as I spend time learning.  My proposed schedule is to deliver a feature-incomplete pre-alpha demo by the 2028 Halving, a beta before BIP 42 becomes economically relevant, and the official 1.0 release before the heat death of the universe—maybe.  I’m so slick!

The project is called Nulltalk, because its distinguishing innovation shall be that it autobans all users, and stores all posts in the /dev/null NoSQL database.  Thus, there shall be no talk.  Silence!  Hey—if John Cage could sell records this way, why can’t I build a forum that forbids all discussion?  Also, I shall integrate the zero-dimensional graph-theoretic /dev/null NoSQL cloud database with Blockchain, because Blockchain has maximal synergies with buzzwords in Enterprise NoSQL Cloud Blockchain.

AdolfinWolf, perhaps you should apply to join my team.  You shall write (then rewrite) a feature that battles the silence with noise:  Your module shall create new users and new posts from /dev/random, and my module shall commit them to /dev/null.  I will then use a pomo text generator to write a paper about the transgressive metaphysical singularity of a forum that, given infinite time, shall create and destroy all possible posts by all possible users, and the social subtext of Nulltalk’s design as an implicit hypostatic critique of the paradigmatic institutional framework of dominance and submission that gives rise to the dialectic of cyberbullying (ah, cyberbullying: do it for the grievance studies lulz!).

This is art!

Anyone who is interested in donating to my new new forum project should contact me privately.  Cool
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April 03, 2021, 03:21:16 PM
#36
I have no excitements left for the new forum software. All gone to be honest. However let's be possitive. Hopefully someday we will migrate to Epochtalk.
I certainly feel you bro, back on 2019, I was expecting that Epochtalk will be available as Theymos already gave somethjng like Beta from what I remember that can be run by other users.
But now I do definitely lost it, though it will be such a waste if this wouldn't be continued, well, I, too, feel the same as I'd rather stick to the current one.
(Anyways too late for my reply here LoL)
this current version of SMF is so much customized that it’s not possible to update anymore and new software has been in discussions since the age of dinosaurs literally..
Another decade century will pass and it will still be in discussion 😅
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April 03, 2021, 01:49:31 PM
#35
What could be done is an update of the current software.
The version used is 1.1.19. The latest version of this software is 2.0.18.
Even so, since the forum has several modifications, the update was going to be laborious, to make the modifications in the new version.

Latest version of SMF??? Forget about it... this current version of SMF is so much customized that it’s not possible to update anymore and new software has been in discussions since the age of dinosaurs literally..

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rfc-new-forum-software-specifications-45372

So in short let’s settle for what we have and use other resources in hand for some better experience

For example for notifications use TryNinja Telegram bot for notifications

Even if the SMF is replaced with Epochtalk the demand for separate Mobile App will always be there.
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April 03, 2021, 12:26:19 PM
#34
I don't think a new software is needed.

Migrating from one platform to another is not easy. There may be many tools that do this, but it is always a lot of work to configure many aspects that are different on each platform.

What could be done is an update of the current software.
The version used is 1.1.19. The latest version of this software is 2.0.18.
Even so, since the forum has several modifications, the update was going to be laborious, to make the modifications in the new version.
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March 30, 2021, 03:00:26 PM
#33
Huh I missed this memo. Porting everything over from AngularJS to Vue?

Imagine devving a forum from scratch around a stupid framework and not even releasing it before LTS ends for your stupid framework (AngularJS  Cheesy).

Everything on this forum makes me rage nowadays

Sheer incompetence.

Notifications have been taken into account.

>mfw I get told for the 100th time that the new forum has notifications




>mfw I open bitcointalk on my Iphone X max SuperPro

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March 30, 2021, 06:50:02 AM
#32
>Vue
>Angular
>Javascript

Except for the new account registration and initial login, the forum currently works acceptably in a browser that has Javascript disabled.  I have not enabled Javascript here since I set my current login cookies in 2017; and since theymos created the CAPTCHA bypass, I have expected that I should never need Javascript here again.

If Javascript were to become a requirement, then the forum would risk losing some people.  I am not the only one to have expressed similar concerns in the past.

Most “communities” would probably disregard the loss as negligible.  Given that no-JS users are disproportionately represented amongst those who care about security, cryptography, and anonymity, the Bitcoin Forum should be different.

We went to sleep, and dreamt of a universal platform.  We awoke in a nightmare where the universal platform is the web browser, the universal language is Javascript, the universal ISA is Webasm—and the morals of youths have been corrupted so that they promiscuously run network-loaded executable code from random strangers as a lifestyle.  I want to kill myself, or at least take up a hobby of severe alcoholism.

SMF is WTF, but that is no reason to make things worse.



Discourse forums recently became unreadable without Javascript.  Pages essentially show up as blank.  I have accordingly decided that Discourse is only for morons; for example, I noticed that some of the major Ethereum development forums run on Discourse.  (eth.wiki also shows blank pages without JS.)

Just saying.
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March 25, 2021, 04:10:13 AM
#31
I dig the current design but it would be really great if it could get some additions in it, like mentions, quotes, etc.

Notifications have been taken into account. You get notified (also optional by mail) if you have been mentioned with @ or your post has been quoted "you have a reply to your post". Once the merit module will be working it will be hooked up to notifications as well.
If it gets annoying you can block notifications for mentions or quotes from certain users.
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March 25, 2021, 01:04:42 AM
#30
I dig the current design but it would be really great if it could get some additions in it, like mentions, quotes, etc.
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March 16, 2021, 08:14:27 AM
#29
I know JavaScript well. I don't think I could fix anything in the EpochTalk code without spending a couple of weeks learning the framework and even then I'd still be like someone who just learned the road signs trying to drive for the first time.

Granted I have zero enthusiasm for this project so spending even two hours learning anything about it sounds extremely unappealing Smiley

I am aware that people are not going to contribute out of the blue. You normally contribute if you use it and/or plan to build on top of it, to add extra functionality etc That being said I see the reluctance to do so. Fair point ! Guess this might change when the beta would be live (again)  Tongue

 
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March 16, 2021, 07:52:38 AM
#28
Both Vue and Angular are still javascript at their core. If you know Angular that does not mean this skill is useless. It just means the learning curve is a whole lot less steeper than for others.  Wink

I know JavaScript well. I don't think I could fix anything in the EpochTalk code without spending a couple of weeks learning the framework and even then I'd still be like someone who just learned the road signs trying to drive for the first time.

Granted I have zero enthusiasm for this project so spending even two hours learning anything about it sounds extremely unappealing Smiley
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March 16, 2021, 06:52:44 AM
#27
All that happened until now is that Theymos lost the passion for the new software as the time pass by and he is in his 30s now and life is much different than the exiting 20s, he has a stable job witch takes all of his time and all the bitcoin work goes to the "hobby" time, which as we all know  is less and less with every year until you retire. This is how I see it, he lost that "magic" and now it's just a thing quite far on the bottom of the "boring" ToDo list.

The forum (this one) seems more like responsibility to him than a fun project it used to be.
I hope I'm wrong.

Am I not getting the same vibe... yet  Cheesy

As far as Epochtalk is concerned to me sounds scalable and lots of new, fresh, modern ideas can be implemented, once it's up and running that is.
I guess we shall eventually see. Or maybe I'm too optimist as less years have passed since I am actively aware of the project. Could be...

TBH I'm not sure how much of a control he's excercising in this project. Like for example who signed off on moving from AngularJS to Vue and not some other framework.

Contrary to common belief most things are reviewed and approved by "El Hefe".

I don't like users being told to do it themselves when there are people getting paid to do it. Besides, if I wanted to contribute a year ago and started learning Angular or whatever it was, it would have been quite useless now that it's being converted to something else, and 5 years from now when Vue is no longer cool it will be something else again etc.

It is open source. Anyone can contribute if they want. Angular is developed by Google but plain users like me and you can still make a commit and fix/improve things even if they already have their own in-house core dev team. I was just saying there might be an alternative to making a userscript, that's all.
Both Vue and Angular are still javascript at their core. If you know Angular that does not mean this skill is useless. It just means the learning curve is a whole lot less steeper than for others.  Wink

Edit:

On the same note with @shahzadafzal's post:


https://xkcd.com/743/
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March 13, 2021, 07:52:05 PM
#26
The forum (this one) seems more like responsibility to him than a fun project it used to be.
I hope I'm wrong.

Well, if that's the case he can hand it over to someone he trusts, like the Cyrus/Rizzrack gang. TBH I'm not sure how much of a control he's excercising in this project. Like for example who signed off on moving from AngularJS to Vue and not some other framework.
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March 13, 2021, 02:36:41 PM
#25
All that happened until now is that Theymos lost the passion for the new software as the time pass by and he is in his 30s now and life is much different than the exiting 20s, he has a stable job witch takes all of his time and all the bitcoin work goes to the "hobby" time, which as we all know  is less and less with every year until you retire. This is how I see it, he lost that "magic" and now it's just a thing quite far on the bottom of the "boring" ToDo list.

The forum (this one) seems more like responsibility to him than a fun project it used to be.
I hope I'm wrong.
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March 12, 2021, 11:24:54 PM
#24
There will be some public API, so statistics etc would be a piece of cake.

P.S. just glancing at it for 2 seconds and throwing up means you just don't see the bigger picture. I guess only time will tell  Smiley

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So whatever's coming, hopefully its a lot more mobile-friendly.
yes exactly I wish if we can keep every thing same just make the interface responsive or mobile friendly in other words.
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March 12, 2021, 08:24:36 PM
#23
if we are lucky, it will not be completed this century but will be carried into the next. I am no programmer but with so many forums out there I am completely mystified at how long and how much this one has cost and yet still appears to be in stage 1.
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March 12, 2021, 08:07:50 PM
#22
It's open source: https://github.com/epochtalk
Instead of criticizing the CSS or make a userscript... make a commit or open an issue. Even if it's just a typo or something. It all adds up. Plus your username would be in the list of contributors for the forum software. That must count for something  Cool

With all due respect - and I mean it, not just saying so; I do respect your effort in this project - I don't like users being told to do it themselves when there are people getting paid to do it. Besides, if I wanted to contribute a year ago and started learning Angular or whatever it was, it would have been quite useless now that it's being converted to something else, and 5 years from now when Vue is no longer cool it will be something else again etc.

I thing the whole ragbag of buzzwords and frameworks in this project is one of its fundamental flaws, not the least due to the short lifespan of said technologies and the lack of skills in the community. I'm not saying go back to PHP but surely maintainability has to figure somewhere in the decisions to use those technologies in a project that's been in development for nearly a decade now and presumably will need to be functioning for a couple hundred years for it to have been worth it.

Reporting bugs is great but even Veleor's valiant effort is a drop in the bucket compared to what a full time QA person could do in a month or two and it would cost probably less than 1% of the total budget. Or at least pay Veleor a couple of bitcoins to keep him going LOL.

Anyway, I just stopped by to express my usual dismay at this project of the century. Carry on.
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March 12, 2021, 07:29:34 PM
#21
Well, I won't knock whatever is in the pipeline until I've tried it.

Looking at the last attempt (epochtalk?) -- I don't think it's worth making the change, sorry. I can understand people who actually donated to build a new forum would probably still want to see that carried through.

The biggest design complaint I have with the forum now is the mobile version. We undoubtedly lose a lot of traffic through lack of mobile device support, meanwhile the world continues to move in that direction. Not that I care much about traffic -- the forum obviously has more than enough money to support itself.

So whatever's coming, hopefully its a lot more mobile-friendly.
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March 12, 2021, 07:22:49 PM
#20
The options were Vue and React. They chose Vue because it's easier to work with for future contributors , good community and a few other aspects. Not sure if it's easier to port from AngularJS... might be

Regarding the ETA part it's hard to say. I would guesstimate a few more months to finish porting the code.
About a fully functional working beta... only Satoshi can say.
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March 12, 2021, 06:51:05 PM
#19
I'm assuming the change to Vue was predicated on it being a bit easier develop with as opposed to Angular (which is also very different from AngularJS).

P.S. just glancing at it for 2 seconds and throwing up means you just don't see the bigger picture. I guess only time will tell  Smiley

How much more time? Can anyone give a rough ETA?



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March 12, 2021, 06:56:19 AM
#18
I was referring to userscripts - if necessary - after it's released as Bitcointalk 2.0.
I was referring to the fact that even now there are user scripts doing very well thins kind of things.

I use some userscripts myself and yes, they are very helpful. Also made some myself to improve work flows (nothing fancy tho)
Was just saying that the functionality of those userscripts might as well be added directly in the source. It is an open source project after all, regardless of who and how much paid so far. Anyone can fell free to contribute and I am 101% sure the devs would be happy to hear an opinion or review a commit/pull request etc

@Veleor was super helpful and has 113 issues open so far on the epochtalk repo.
Did not get a chance to publicly thank him for all the bugs found, the typos, the glitches, proposals and the advice so far. Thanks Veleor, you're awesome ! Cool Cool Cool

My point was that it has huge potential. True, the current design has a certain hate it or love it vibe. Maybe, as you said, some members with UI/UX experience can have a look and chip in a bit  Smiley

And to answer the topic title: I personally want it !
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March 12, 2021, 06:33:35 AM
#17
Instead of criticizing the CSS or make a userscript... make a commit or open an issue.

I was referring to userscripts - if necessary - after it's released as Bitcointalk 2.0.
I was referring to the fact that even now there are user scripts doing very well thins kind of things.
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March 12, 2021, 06:06:25 AM
#16
Currently devs are pushing hard to move the code from AngularJS which will be EOL at the end of this year to Vue. Don't have an ETA but you can see the progress here

Exactly. And we have on the forum quite a number of skilled people that can add an user script and adjust the look and feel here and there if it's getting released and a big number of users won't like it.
Somewhat strange to keep telling that over years, but it's still early to criticize the UI.

It's open source: https://github.com/epochtalk
Instead of criticizing the CSS or make a userscript... make a commit or open an issue. Even if it's just a typo or something. It all adds up. Plus your username would be in the list of contributors for the forum software. That must count for something  Cool


It comes with some predefined color themes that can be edited and each admin can customize to his/her own preference. Don't see any reason why not to also have several general themes that can be changed with just one click. OK... maybe two clicks, guess you also have to click and the "Save" button  Tongue maybe even community made. It's just a commit away !



On top of that it's very modular. For years there have been tons of requests to add certain features. Some stupid, some reasonable, some very cool and useful. But the biggest reason was the code. Because it is a highly pimped upgraded custom SFM, any change/addition can easily break many other parts of working code. I can see the addition/changes of future features would be implemented much easier and safer.

There will be some public API, so statistics etc would be a piece of cake.

P.S. just glancing at it for 2 seconds and throwing up means you just don't see the bigger picture. I guess only time will tell  Smiley

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March 12, 2021, 05:22:54 AM
#15
all we see is some ugly CSS, which can be changed when the coding is finished.

Exactly. And we have on the forum quite a number of skilled people that can add an user script and adjust the look and feel here and there if it's getting released and a big number of users won't like it.
Somewhat strange to keep telling that over years, but it's still early to criticize the UI.
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March 12, 2021, 04:37:09 AM
#14
It appeared as if grade school children were the designers.

I had the same thought when I've seen the newer generation forums. But it looks like a lot of (potential) users to like such "design".
What I miss the most is a slightly improved view on the phone. Basically to not need to rotate the phone, nor zoom in, and still able to read.

But all in all I don't want to criticize too much. We will get used to the new forum look too if the migration will happen, don't we?  Smiley


I can read the current forums on my phone with no issues. but I can see how it could be hard to read on a smaller phone.

The epoch one completely sucks on a pc though.

I don't think it's completely ready. What you see is just the tip of the iceberg, and it's not tweaked. What they did until now is a lot of coding to make it secure and the same time compatible with other software applications. We don't really see the power of the functionalities the software provides, all we see is some ugly CSS, which can be changed when the coding is finished. I think this is all done just for the purpose of testing the stability and bug hunting and the final release won't look like it's now.

It will take time to actually get it ready for release.
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March 11, 2021, 11:56:54 AM
#13
It appeared as if grade school children were the designers.

I had the same thought when I've seen the newer generation forums. But it looks like a lot of (potential) users to like such "design".
What I miss the most is a slightly improved view on the phone. Basically to not need to rotate the phone, nor zoom in, and still able to read.

But all in all I don't want to criticize too much. We will get used to the new forum look too if the migration will happen, don't we?  Smiley


I can read the current forums on my phone with no issues. but I can see how it could be hard to read on a smaller phone.

The epoch one completely sucks on a pc though.
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March 11, 2021, 11:47:23 AM
#12
It appeared as if grade school children were the designers.

I had the same thought when I've seen the newer generation forums. But it looks like a lot of (potential) users to like such "design".
What I miss the most is a slightly improved view on the phone. Basically to not need to rotate the phone, nor zoom in, and still able to read.

But all in all I don't want to criticize too much. We will get used to the new forum look too if the migration will happen, don't we?  Smiley
legendary
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March 11, 2021, 11:30:36 AM
#11
Keeping it like this is fine for me, maybe just keep tweaking with some missing features but then that means that all the btc spend in creating the ultimate forum software were just thrown in the bin. This is probably the most expensive project ever created,considering the spent btc and the current btc price.
Hope to see it implemented as an alternative option to browse the forum tho.

And that is the worst part - forums should not have even cost 1/100th of what was wasted on epoch nor should it have taken the years that has been wasted on it.
legendary
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March 11, 2021, 09:25:42 AM
#10
Keeping it like this is fine for me, maybe just keep tweaking with some missing features but then that means that all the btc spend in creating the ultimate forum software were just thrown in the bin. This is probably the most expensive project ever created,considering the spent btc and the current btc price.
Hope to see it implemented as an alternative option to browse the forum tho.
legendary
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March 09, 2021, 08:46:56 AM
#9
I prefer to keep it the way we have it, last time I looked at it, I nearly vomited. It appeared as if grade school children were the designers. But I have already expressed my thoughts in the discord channel so I wont list them all here again lol
copper member
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February 27, 2021, 11:10:30 PM
#8
When I read  "Epochtalk - Next generation forum software." I automatically assume... that's not for me but for the next generation probably my kids or grand kids.
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It's not like we can get a refund from the developers at this point, so it seems this change is inevitable.
well I guess changing the design (front-end) shouldn't be a big deal we can keep the backend as as it is and just change the design to be responsive at least. Currently this sucks on mobiles specially posting a topic or replying to any post is so difficult... for me i totally avoid it or delay it until i get access to my laptop.

anyway easier said than done being a programmer i know how nasty it can get while changing the whole systems.





hero member
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February 18, 2021, 02:09:14 PM
#7
It's not like we can get a refund from the developers at this point, so it seems this change is inevitable.
The amount of money spent means it is inevitable we will see an upgrade but i am comfortable with the current set up and even if they move as you said i would like to have the option to use the current forum as well, i am not looking for two different forums but multiple options to toggle between SMF and Epochtalk and with the same database it is possible Wink.

donator
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February 18, 2021, 11:48:20 AM
#6
I feel like we can just stick with what we have here for the next 10 years.

So honestly, do we really want Epochtalk?
Personally, I wouldn't mind sticking with the current software but if it's going to be an improvement [e.g. Support for mobile devices, better security and etc...] over what we already have, then why not?

It's not like we can get a refund from the developers at this point, so it seems this change is inevitable.

I wonder if the forum will fork at that point and we will have 2 Bitcointalks or if this forum will cease to exist.  Personally, I think it would be fun to have the forums forked and would probably stick to the format I'm comfortable with.  Who knows, maybe that would double the forum's total revenue?  Maybe they could operate slightly differently with regards to freedom of speech or moderation tactics... 
legendary
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February 18, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
#5
I feel like we can just stick with what we have here for the next 10 years.

So honestly, do we really want Epochtalk?
Personally, I wouldn't mind sticking with the current software but if it's going to be an improvement [e.g. Support for mobile devices, better security and etc...] over what we already have, then why not?
legendary
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Farewell o_e_l_e_o
February 18, 2021, 08:20:07 AM
#4
I did not like the forum years ago and I thought it is boring with texts but with four-years experience in the forum, I like its current design and also lost the faith that it will be officially went live soon.

Communities can help with feedback on github or try to run testing sites for the new forum software.

Epochtalk

Coinbistro.com

Cryptos-currencies.com

Blog.mocacino.com
legendary
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February 18, 2021, 06:54:49 AM
#3
Development is going very slow and I was hoping that testing on Coinbistro would attract more people but it looks like we are just moving in snail speed here, and I don't want to disrespect the team who is working on this, but this is just a act.
legendary
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February 18, 2021, 02:37:30 AM
#2
I have no excitements left for the new forum software. All gone to be honest. However let's be possitive. Hopefully someday we will migrate to Epochtalk.
copper member
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February 17, 2021, 06:51:06 PM
#1
I feel like we can just stick with what we have here for the next 10 years.

So honestly, do we really want Epochtalk?

Perhaps I should try it.
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