Do you accept hackers’ Bitcoin donations to charitable organizations?

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Quote from: noorman0 on August 07, 2021, 10:13:53 PM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on August 07, 2021, 09:44:12 PM

Why would we be resisting an effort of turning over a new leaf? If a criminal is in a process of conversion and in that process decided to give away all his money to charitable institutions to help others in need, would you say no to it? Would you discourage others from accepting the money that could be life-changing?

I'm not sure about that. There are several ways criminals or whatever is "hackers" to remove traces or clear cases including releasing all stolen money to innocent and weak institutions regarding investigations. Given that it is a humanitarian activity that does not want to get into trouble in the future, it is better for charities to receive from sources that are truly clean and transparent.

If a criminal is trying to come clean from an investigation or a criminal case by releasing all his stolen money, then that is definitely welcome. That means whatever stolen is given back. Are we to say, no I won't accept that money because that is stolen money? If that's me that is being offered I would say, thank you I'm accepting your money. It would be my honor to give back what's unfairly taken to whoever deserves it.

But I understand humanitarian organizations are careful accepting donations. But many of them don't think twice accepting donations from politicians.

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coins are passed on to everyone which these.coins are probably gotten by crooks thru scamming or hacking from exchanges we all know about the mixers. if these coins are donated and you have spent it for good, it wouldn't matter. its the good deeds that counts. if used in a bad way which you return it back to the hackers or send it to authorities that would be stupid.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on August 07, 2021, 09:44:12 PM

Why would we be resisting an effort of turning over a new leaf? If a criminal is in a process of conversion and in that process decided to give away all his money to charitable institutions to help others in need, would you say no to it? Would you discourage others from accepting the money that could be life-changing?

I'm not sure about that. There are several ways criminals or whatever is "hackers" to remove traces or clear cases including releasing all stolen money to innocent and weak institutions regarding investigations. Given that it is a humanitarian activity that does not want to get into trouble in the future, it is better for charities to receive from sources that are truly clean and transparent.

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I think not all hackers are bad people. I personally think that hacking is only a skill that can be learned. Well, I have the same concern with you. I do really care about from where the money come, but let's be positive thinking to people. I think people who donate their money are good people, it seems that those people aren't criminal, maybe just some of them but we never know the details. But if we clearly know that the money is come from criminals then we should not accept it. In the first place we should not prevent people doing good thing using cryptocurrency because it is a good advertisement for bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies and of course for humanity.

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Quote from: KevinRosa on July 24, 2021, 01:58:19 AM

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The hacker group known as the "Darkside" claimed that they had extorted millions of dollars from a number of large companies, but now they want to do something to "make the world a better place."

Why would we be resisting an effort of turning over a new leaf? If a criminal is in a process of conversion and in that process decided to give away all his money to charitable institutions to help others in need, would you say no to it? Would you discourage others from accepting the money that could be life-changing?

For me, I won't. Money is neither clean nor dirty. It is only as clean or dirty as how it is used. The money that is obtained by selling drugs is the same money that could send poor children to school. But that's not justifying the crime.

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The question is, if I receive a bitcoin donation, do I know that the donation is from a hacker?
and if I find out that the donation was stolen, of course I will return it to the rightful owner, because I would never feel comfortable accepting donations from anonymous sources, possibly criminals or hackers.
and if they say before sending it that what will be donated is the proceeds of crime, I will not accept it because it is not my right and is not lawful.

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Quote from: Rabi3 on August 07, 2021, 06:37:31 PM

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Quote from: anu1908 on July 24, 2021, 05:02:51 AM

well, those organizations would definitely love to stay away from shady money, but validating them would be difficult. i personally think this "robin hood" reason is just a weak excuse. even if that's true, how can you confirm it?

well this quite true

but mostly hacker will do mixing it so you dont understand where the money come from Grin

if i the charitable organization i would still receive it because we need the money and mosly we dont know where come from but i would cooperate government if there something wrong

if the hackers used something like chipmixer to make it not trackable and don't say anything about donating a particular amount of money to a specific charity, then no one would know that the donation was made by hackers, and everything will be fine and even better for people helped by charities, i accept donations from hackers to charity if no one but the hackers would know about it, that way charities are safe from some false accusations.

No one would ever know and i dont care if those are hacked since when it comes on being ethical then i can say that its just balanced.Dont know on whats their true purpose
but im not on the point that im really truly against their motive since we know on how charity works and there are really lots who are in need but feel sorry into those
people who do lost up money because of that intent.

No one would ever know on where those funds came from unless if they do really intent in showing it on the first place.

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Quote from: dansus021 on July 25, 2021, 06:11:01 AM

Quote from: anu1908 on July 24, 2021, 05:02:51 AM

well, those organizations would definitely love to stay away from shady money, but validating them would be difficult. i personally think this "robin hood" reason is just a weak excuse. even if that's true, how can you confirm it?

well this quite true

but mostly hacker will do mixing it so you dont understand where the money come from Grin

if i the charitable organization i would still receive it because we need the money and mosly we dont know where come from but i would cooperate government if there something wrong

if the hackers used something like chipmixer to make it not trackable and don't say anything about donating a particular amount of money to a specific charity, then no one would know that the donation was made by hackers, and everything will be fine and even better for people helped by charities, i accept donations from hackers to charity if no one but the hackers would know about it, that way charities are safe from some false accusations.

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I think the charity if they know it's all the result of hackers, most likely they will not accept all of it, and they will definitely refuse, what will be given by hackers, because there will definitely be a risk that awaits us, if the charity already knows it's the result of hackers, it's better if they decline their gift gently..

Totally, they will most definitely not accept if they are a sensible charity operation, I mean you can't clean blood with blood, if you know what I'm saying. I know that the donators think that they are doing something good but given how they've got those donations, I think that you should think twice how you're going to play the Robinhood.

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Isn't charity one of the best destinations for illegally acquired funds to go to? If a charity organization is legit and does some important work, then why wouldn't they accept money, no matter where it came from, as long as there are no strings attached? Maybe it's the criminals' way of cleaning conscience, or whatever, but if this money can help others, then why not use it? I mean, when illegal money is seized, it's not like it gets burned down, is it? Bitcoins get auctioned, so that rich guys get even richer; some money probably ends up in the pockets of those who seize it, and some goes to the governments which will spend it on stuff similar to what charities do only in the best case scenario.

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If it is to use Bitcoin, hackers donate money to the wallets of charitable organizations, this is irresistible. But my personal opinion is acceptable, because it is acceptable for hackers to donate money to the right place, which is better than being in the hands of hackers. Charitable organizations cannot refuse to transfer donations through cryptocurrency, nor can they find the source. If it is learned that it is from a hacker, the charity organization has the right to decide whether to accept it.

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When it comes to donations does the recipients ever ask about source of funds, I don't think so! If they did then chances are that they would have less people interested and would affect their targets. Moreover one can make an anonymous donations which a Hacker can do.

Afaik when it comes to lobbying for funds priority is to get funds and not do background checks .

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We don’t know if the money was sent by hackers, and we have no way of knowing. If it is the proceeds of crime, we should not collect money, but how do we know? This makes the workload of the charity organization very large, he must distinguish where the money comes from, otherwise the charity organization will be outside the law in the future. Makes many hackers launder money.

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If any of the stolen coins are received by charity organizations, then they should return them. You can't play Robinhood saying that the money was stolen from rich guys and then donated to poor people. Theft is a theft, irrespective of who commits it, and who receives it. It is a criminal offense and not just the coins should be returned, but the individuals responsible for the theft should be prosecuted as per the prevailing laws.

Recently in India, there was an incident similar to this. In the state of Punjab, a bunch of criminals vandalized a mobile signaling tower of Jio Telecommunications and burnt it down. They stole a diesel generator that was present there and then donated it to a gurudwara. The guys at the gurudwara refused to hand it back, saying that they are a religious body and can't return the donations.

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This might be argued by many as it might be seen as a means of redemption but I think the end justifies the means.The means if the donation is of lesser significance as the major concern should be making life better for those who cannot fend for themselves.

Hackers Bitcoin should not be rejected, for needs have to be met.
Why agrees with me?

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Quote from: Hendra gunawan on July 26, 2021, 01:52:58 AM

It's a tough question, I think even if hackers steal money to donate to charitable organizations, they're still doing something wrong. They have stolen investors' money, they should have donated with their own money. So I will not accept their money.

That's if you know that it's a black money, most charity especially the small one don't really know where some of the money comes from so they don't exactly take action on it and even if they know, most black money from this charity are a cover up kind so they can launder money. Now if you were to know about it, I think that it will tug on your moral leanings because if you just accept it as it is, that means that you are abandoning one side and it will be the same for the other option. In my opinion, this kind of dilemma would be solved through utilitarianism, if you think that more benefits from accepting the black money then you will just accept it but if not then it's your call to call out this black money.

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It's a tough question, I think even if hackers steal money to donate to charitable organizations, they're still doing something wrong. They have stolen investors' money, they should have donated with their own money. So I will not accept their money.

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Quote from: Dhoe on July 25, 2021, 08:30:56 PM

for now I have not received bitcoin donations from hackers for charitable organizations, but in my estimation, charitable organizations can accept from anyone, as long as they don't say it was the result of hackers, then the charity is legal to accept donations from anywhere without having to correct where the donation came from..

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According to the British Guardian, the hacker organization Darkside donated 0.88 bitcoins obtained from blackmail to two charities, Children International and Water Project, worth $10,000. After the donation, Darkside published the receipts of the two charities that received donations on the dark web. According to the law, charitable organizations are not allowed to keep criminal proceeds donations, but the donations cannot be returned due to the donation encryption algorithm, and the organization is therefore in an embarrassing situation.

I personally say that I will accept donations from different sources. I don’t care about the process. I only hope that donations can be used by those who really need it. This is the most important thing.

But I don't agree with the statement that the hacker is Robin Hood. Hackers are thieves or robbers, not knights. In fact, for charitable organizations, it is known that the money is hacked, but it cannot be returned.

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for now I have not received bitcoin donations from hackers for charitable organizations, but in my estimation, charitable organizations can accept from anyone, as long as they don't say it was the result of hackers, then the charity is legal to accept donations from anywhere without having to correct where the donation came from..

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Quote from: dansus021 on July 25, 2021, 06:11:01 AM

Quote from: anu1908 on July 24, 2021, 05:02:51 AM

well, those organizations would definitely love to stay away from shady money, but validating them would be difficult. i personally think this "robin hood" reason is just a weak excuse. even if that's true, how can you confirm it?

well this quite true

but mostly hacker will do mixing it so you dont understand where the money come from Grin

if i the charitable organization i would still receive it because we need the money and mosly we dont know where come from but i would cooperate government if there something wrong

If hackers will use mixers, then, would be very hard to track the source of the funds. Charitable organizations should receive it if it will help their cause. But of course, if they have a way to find out where it came from, why not? But if not, just put it to good use. That's my opinion though. If the funds can feed a lot of hungry kids, does it matter where it came from?

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