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Simulated reality is not entirely fair match, because a program can always be manipulated through code then even if it has provably fair system. How would we detect if some AI's were bugged or just program to lose the match. I prefer real matches, the odds are not that big anyways. Atleast i know in real games my money is safe from exploitation.

I don't understand how they could manipulate the match if the system is provably fair? Huh

Could you explain what you mean?
If they write the hash of the winner and the score of the virtual match on a blockchain or somewhere on their website before opening bets, how they could scam bettors?

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Quote from: Rabi3 on January 15, 2021, 05:53:09 PM

i have never placed bets on them and i don't think i would, it's just pure luck, i don't think i can trust such thing, i think it's similar to any casino game, and i have a bad experience with casinos, i am not lucky at all, when it comes to luck, i am outta there.

They claim that they are working on previous data but I agree that SRL events are really random and stranger things happen as compared to normal events. I rather prefer to bet on real NBA as compared to SRL NBA or basketball. By the way talking about NBA there have been some really rough games and results are so mixed this year that it is hard to predict the winner and almost all the games go till the last quarter where suddenly any team can win.

Is there anyone who can calculate how much is the edge on SRL events because frankly speaking they look more like casino but the house edge from what I have seen looks quite big.

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i have never placed bets on them and i don't think i would, it's just pure luck, i don't think i can trust such thing, i think it's similar to any casino game, and i have a bad experience with casinos, i am not lucky at all, when it comes to luck, i am outta there.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on January 06, 2021, 08:09:44 AM

Don't get overkill by these SRL games, you're chances to win against computer programs is very slim.

If we are into these games, don't make things to be serious but rather consider this just for fun. It probably the results are already been calculated and manipulated, you can't make yourself confident about your bet as it was possible the computer system catch you and get your money.

I really don't trust SRL events but rather to put them into real games.

Has nobody been able to defeat the computer program before? I assumed if you have the talents/skills you will be able to defeat it. By the way, that will likely involve alot of experience or learning of how the program works in order to come up with strategies to defeat it.

Interesting thought, you're right I think good machine learning programs could maybe defeat them, if there isn't a part of randomness in the process.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on January 06, 2021, 08:09:44 AM

Don't get overkill by these SRL games, you're chances to win against computer programs is very slim.

If we are into these games, don't make things to be serious but rather consider this just for fun. It probably the results are already been calculated and manipulated, you can't make yourself confident about your bet as it was possible the computer system catch you and get your money.

I really don't trust SRL events but rather to put them into real games.

Has nobody been able to defeat the computer program before? I assumed if you have the talents/skills you will be able to defeat it. By the way, that will likely involve alot of experience or learning of how the program works in order to come up with strategies to defeat it.

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 10, 2021, 08:54:35 AM

SRL was introduced during the covd19 from my little knowledge and it's similar to that of virtual soccer with attractive odds, I won few time placing a bet on SRL it's very unpredictable so my favorite bet option was over goals and BTS option if you bet based on the odd and favorite team you are likely going to lose bets. SRL is pure luck

Indeed and there is no stream or anything which you can watch so it does not make sense to bet on these games and you are right during the shutdown covid-19 times last year in March- April these were introduced to make gamblers bet onto something. Only UFC was available to bet during those times so it was nice to see simulated reality based events but then these never lived up to the hype and expectations.

I never made too many bets on these games apart from adding a few of these into my parlay slips to bulk up the odds and my experience hasn't been too good with these events and I would rather suggest avoiding these events since now all the real sports are back.

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Quote from: Becky666 on January 10, 2021, 08:19:49 AM

Quote from: XZERO1 on January 10, 2021, 07:40:21 AM

I'd just stick to real matches, nothing compares to real matches specially if you also enjoy watching the matches that you placed bet on.

As much as i think, getting into real match for bet seem far better than to come over to a game be control by AI's; were the winning chances are very slim.

And also it looks like were Getting back to traditional Online Gambling where all the games are operated and runs by AI's and this is not a proper way to deal in gambling.

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The genuity of sport games made me be an addict to soccer games but this SRL events game doesn't make me feel they should be trusted like the sport-games.

Meaning have you tried betting in SRL ? I wanna experience this also but just for a common interest and have an experience , But the real game will still my Game to bet permanently like American Football and Basketball and also Boxing.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on January 01, 2021, 09:44:01 AM

I've known about simulated reality matches for a while now, but they weren't of interest to me until I once noticed that the odds can be more attractive there than on the real match. So I've placed my first SRL bet today just to have a start:

I think such events gained some popularity when the real matches barely occurred, but are they popular nowadays? Have you ever placed a bet on one? Would you consider them more "pure" than the real matches since they account for many factors and then let the program to its thing rather than rely on real people playing in out in the field?

I used to bet on such events when lockdown was implemented and there were no sports apart from some table tennis games and some e-soccer leagues which both were terrible so I used to bet on these events on cricket and tennis SRL but frankly speaking these events have no resemblance to original events and anything can happen like Djokovic might be defeated by number 100 ranked player in SRL and there is nothing you can do.

I used to believe that there are certain players who do well against specific players but these SRL does not take into account those things it seems, similarly players who had a terrible IPL are making tons of runs in these SRL matches so no similarity and it feels like a big house edge based casino to bet on these matches.

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 10, 2021, 08:54:35 AM

SRL was introduced during the covd19 from my little knowledge and it's similar to that of virtual soccer with attractive odds, I won few time placing a bet on SRL it's very unpredictable so my favorite bet option was over goals and BTS option if you bet based on the odd and favorite team you are likely going to lose bets. SRL is pure luck

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Quote from: Becky666 on January 10, 2021, 08:19:49 AM

Quote from: XZERO1 on January 10, 2021, 07:40:21 AM

I'd just stick to real matches, nothing compares to real matches specially if you also enjoy watching the matches that you placed bet on.

As much as i think, getting into real match for bet seem far better than to come over to a game be control by AI's; were the winning chances are very slim. The genuity of sport games made me be an addict to soccer games but this SRL events game doesn't make me feel they should be trusted like the sport-games.

It might be for sure fair since robots won't cheat ofc until and unless programmed to do so but I do think you won't like the idea, the craze of a real football game is something that is unmatched with AI.

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SRL was introduced during the covd19 from my little knowledge and it's similar to that of virtual soccer with attractive odds, I won few time placing a bet on SRL it's very unpredictable so my favorite bet option was over goals and BTS option if you bet based on the odd and favorite team you are likely going to lose bets. SRL is pure luck

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Quote from: XZERO1 on January 10, 2021, 07:40:21 AM

I'd just stick to real matches, nothing compares to real matches specially if you also enjoy watching the matches that you placed bet on.

As much as i think, getting into real match for bet seem far better than to come over to a game be control by AI's; were the winning chances are very slim. The genuity of sport games made me be an addict to soccer games but this SRL events game doesn't make me feel they should be trusted like the sport-games.

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I'd just stick to real matches, nothing compares to real matches specially if you also enjoy watching the matches that you placed bet on.

Also if you are placing bets on simulated reality matches you have to fully trust the platform to not change the results in a way that is most profitable for them, while in the real matches you can juts trust the match results not being tampered with by anyone at least 99% of the time in almost all sports.

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Quote from: dothebeats on January 01, 2021, 07:03:18 PM

This is kinda trippy to bet on tbh. There's no guarantee that the simulated game is 100% not rigged on the favor of the lesser-volume bet. You won't know how they are coming up with such moves on the players, the teams, and all of the aspects involved in a game. Personally I think SRL should only exist as a form of entertainment and not something that could be bet on. Think of it as the 'alternate universe' of your favorite sports and your favorite teams, wherein the underdogs become the favorites and vice-versa.

LOL I agree with you. But they could use the blockchain/crypto technology to become "provably fair". They just need to write the hash of the winner and the score of the virtual match somewhere on their website or on the blockchain before opening bets on it.

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Don't get overkill by these SRL games, you're chances to win against computer programs is very slim.

If we are into these games, don't make things to be serious but rather consider this just for fun. It probably the results are already been calculated and manipulated, you can't make yourself confident about your bet as it was possible the computer system catch you and get your money.

I really don't trust SRL events but rather to put them into real games.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on January 01, 2021, 09:44:01 AM

I've known about simulated reality matches for a while now, but they weren't of interest to me until I once noticed that the odds can be more attractive there than on the real match. So I've placed my first SRL bet today just to have a start:

I think such events gained some popularity when the real matches barely occurred, but are they popular nowadays? Have you ever placed a bet on one? Would you consider them more "pure" than the real matches since they account for many factors and then let the program to its thing rather than rely on real people playing in out in the field?

If this is for Fun ? of course i would take my chances and enjoy the process because this is unique and looks like enjoyable .

But for being a gambling ? i know that this wont be beneficial for me to Win or Fight against the computer so I would pass in this matter.

and besides this wasn't available in my country yet , so Let us see if what would be the future of SRL in gambling.

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What could be said about a game that's programmed to game esteem gamblers in the platform, though this is the very first time i have see a game like this. Personally what i do consider before making move to game in any gambling platform is the fairness of the game before my conviction to join, but this game isn't such and won't whatsoever join the game soon till a conviction.

But not everything is provably fair. Okay, there are games like dice and crash or even a provably fair lottery, but how about the real sports events? When you bet on a certain team winning in a match, you'll be able to see the outcome for yourself, but there's no proof that the teams did not agree how they would play and who would win in advance, right? The chance of them entering such an arrangement is low, but nothing can prove that the game was fair. And yet people bet on such events without hesitation.

I also want to comment on the SRL vs Fantasy matter. A simulated game is not played by humans. It's a program written by humans, but then the match is played out automatically (I think it's more or less accurate to say that the bots play it out). Fantasy games, on the other hand, are played out by real humans on their devices AFAIK.

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Quote from: Ucy on January 04, 2021, 04:23:21 AM

Just hearing that for the first time.
Who or what plays the simulated matches/games, Humans, AI or both? Or does everything depend entirely on AI? If it does, I guess I will need to properly understand how the AI make decisions and work in general before placing bet.

humans play the game but they are predetermined becasue they are programming games. When humans play these games they are very low on determining their luck to win the game. Sometimes few months ago i do engaged in the game but wasn't successful in the game and i quitted the games immediately.

Guess it's not like typical soccer/football computer games that do not play properly on their own unless skilled human players play them properly?
So, a "predetermined" simulated game would still play on its own without human player actively involved/playing? If this is the case, i may be correct to say that AI is involved in the game but human player is incharge? The AI acts as an assistant?

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Quote from: bitbollo on January 04, 2021, 11:53:25 AM

it's kind of betting that I am not able to understand. it's sound me more like "toss a coin" or anything that is unpredictable.
I have placed a couple of winning bets on stake.com just for very low odds but each time I play just for wasting some money and not for any real chance of winning or have a real advantage against the bookmaker.

if a toss coin is done on the internet this makes it not far from srl , results arent 100 percent unpredictable .

but a toss coin can also be done offline but not srl betting

nothing harmed on playing small amounts , this gives you courage to try and make your self more familiarize in the game and if you think you are ready and you can win you can now bet in bigger size .

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Quote from: seleme on January 03, 2021, 06:31:25 PM

The machine games are very dangerous, unpredictable sometimes there is not even 3 goal in 10 SRL matches. I usually like to bet over or under 2.5 goals but get busted on a series of losses due to blindly following the odds of SRL events. I don't think, the odds are in our favor because the results are usually predetermined. It is harder to make a prediction on such algorithmic games.

I wouldn't say that it is unfair but I think these games are the most fair unless an internal intervention is done to predetermine games, I do not think that it will be the case because constant losses from players will be unattractive for them which causes them to losses their customer. Wouldn't it be better that the match is harder to predict because that means you are getting entertained. Also, predetermined games are not something new, I remember back then, SRL Horse race games have predetermined outcome changed every week.

I have never bet on SRL Horse race games but the harder predictions make it an unprofitable version of electronic gaming. I don't agree with the connection part of your opinion since there is no need to lose for having fun. The general rule is to stop gambling when fun stops, if the result is manipulated by smart algorithms there is no reason to keep losing. For example, the home team can score 3 goals between the extra time of the first half and the first minute of the second half.

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Quote from: Mahanton on January 03, 2021, 06:03:59 PM

About SRL events then i dont expect that it is possible but in fairness side then that would really be a main issue for most people.They cant tell if the result were rigged or altered.

That would probably an issue in this type of game.
Simulated Reality League (SRL), From the word itself, we can't assure if the result is part of the program or that could be easy to alter once the owner of the site sees that he will lose more than to win.

I don't say also that no one will win but that something it leaves in the minds of every gambler the risk when they put a bet on this. It is really to need some more proof and exposure to gain trust.

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