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Bitcoin operates without a central authority, providing decentralization, and offers secure and private transactions which is a good thing using a Bitcoin to pay. It also generally involves lower fees, especially for international transfers, and is accessible to anyone with an internet connection. Also, some view Bitcoin as a potential investment opportunity due to its growth potential. But there are some of disadvantages of it, like its value is highly volatile, making it challenging to determine the true cost of goods or services. Its rare to have merchants accept Bitcoins, and transaction are generally irreversible.

The volatile nature of bitcoin is considered a drawback when wanting to use bitcoin as a currency, payment method. But when you use it for investment purposes, volatility is a plus, the more volatile bitcoin is, the more opportunities we have to make a profit. But you are right, it is true, the original purpose of creating bitcoin is a p2p payment method, but it is being used as a speculative asset. So we can see very few merchants or shops using it for payment. But its use for international payments still outperforms banks despite its volatility.
currently in my country it is still difficult to find store payments using bitcoin, this is happening because not many people know and use it, moreover there is still no legality in my country. bitcoin fluctuations will be lower as more and more people know about it, moreover the whole world has legalized it. However, for now, with high fluctuations, it can be used to make a profit, by trading or investing. I think investing will be more suitable for those who have other jobs, until eventually as many people use it, the price will go up by itself, and we can reap the rewards. you can imagine if we know bitcoin from 2016, and hold it until now, how many times the profit has been made. especially if you take it off when there is a pump like 2021 yesterday
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Bitcoin operates without a central authority, providing decentralization, and offers secure and private transactions which is a good thing using a Bitcoin to pay. It also generally involves lower fees, especially for international transfers, and is accessible to anyone with an internet connection. Also, some view Bitcoin as a potential investment opportunity due to its growth potential. But there are some of disadvantages of it, like its value is highly volatile, making it challenging to determine the true cost of goods or services. Its rare to have merchants accept Bitcoins, and transaction are generally irreversible.

The volatile nature of bitcoin is considered a drawback when wanting to use bitcoin as a currency, payment method. But when you use it for investment purposes, volatility is a plus, the more volatile bitcoin is, the more opportunities we have to make a profit. But you are right, it is true, the original purpose of creating bitcoin is a p2p payment method, but it is being used as a speculative asset. So we can see very few merchants or shops using it for payment. But its use for international payments still outperforms banks despite its volatility.
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You mean the guy who spends 10,000 bitcoins on 2 pizzas
In my opinion even if you trade in bitcoin it doesn't affect your wallet much, you can add more bitcoins when the market price goes down. We should be flexible in buying and selling bitcoin
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Bitcoin does not charge any gas fee.  It is called a transaction fee and developers are working hard on how to make this fee to become cheaper.  As you can see in the development history of Bitcoin, from legacy to segwit to taproot, that development is all about making transaction fee to be cheaper while adding more privacy to the transaction without sacrificing Bitcoin security.

Exactly. Bitcoin was created only as a currency, but because of the limited supply people started trading it. And gass fees are not a problem because there are a lot of people who want to mine Bitcoin to earn BTC. And, ideally, the only way to make money out of bitcoin should be mining, but because the price is still fluctuating like crazy, I think people will just keep trading it.
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Bitcoin operates without a central authority, providing decentralization, and offers secure and private transactions which is a good thing using a Bitcoin to pay. It also generally involves lower fees, especially for international transfers, and is accessible to anyone with an internet connection. Also, some view Bitcoin as a potential investment opportunity due to its growth potential. But there are some of disadvantages of it, like its value is highly volatile, making it challenging to determine the true cost of goods or services. Its rare to have merchants accept Bitcoins, and transaction are generally irreversible.
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Pay in bitcoin, that's great in the future. But if it improves the gas charge, it will be more popular

Bitcoin does not charge any gas fee.  It is called a transaction fee and developers are working hard on how to make this fee to become cheaper.  As you can see in the development history of Bitcoin, from legacy to segwit to taproot, that development is all about making transaction fee to be cheaper while adding more privacy to the transaction without sacrificing Bitcoin security.

Feels bad when you need to sell it to cover bills

If we feel that way then we should look for extra income so that we have the fund to pay our bill and we don't have to use our Bitcoin holdings for it.
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Paying with bitcoin is not a bad thing; it just depends on the decisions you made for yourself and the plan you made before investing in bitcoin. However, the big issue is that it is not a good idea for you to pay with bitcoin during a bull market when you haven't made the profits you had hoped for doing so will only result in losses. If I were you I would do payments with bitcoin during price rises. Since you alone feel so glad that you did not lose at that point,
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Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin have gained popularity for their decentralized nature and potential to disrupt traditional financial systems. However, they also come with certain challenges and concerns. The volatility of cryptocurrency markets can make it difficult to determine the exact value of a transaction at any given moment, which can lead to uncertainty or hesitation when making a purchase. Additionally, the decentralized and pseudonymous nature of cryptocurrencies can raise concerns about security, privacy, and potential illegal activities.

Ultimately, whether someone feels bad or not while paying with BTC is subjective and depends on their personal beliefs, experiences, and the specific circumstances surrounding the transaction. Some individuals might feel excited and empowered by the freedom and convenience offered by cryptocurrencies, while others might feel uncertain or cautious. It's a matter of personal perspective and individual circumstances.
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I generally feel bad when I need to pay with Bitcoin. Who would like to pay with something which is not deflationary. My country's currency (Turkish lira) keeps losing so much value that its best thing to pay with it. I love it when people sell me their Bitcoin for my Turkish lira (better experience than exchanges). I wonder when exactly we will start to treat as currency. I mean I obviously use it as currency - but its unfavored option for me to buy things with it - so I guess it will take years and years to come so many people will adopt it, its price will be stable so it will become very nice currency.

I think the emotion depends on how a person looks at Bitcoin.  For me, I feel nothing but being fulfilled when I spend Bitcoin.  I feel that I am helping the economics of Bitcoin and the merchant adoption since I am able to particpate in global economics of Bitcoin. 

it should be like this, yes! Because we need to promote bitcoin as a currency, not an asset.
But because of the fluctuations and general opinion in a community that bitcoin is an asset, it's just hard to use it without thinking that it will go up 100%+ pretty soon.

I think the problem is that bitcoin is still "young" and it didn't reach stability needed for it to be a currency.
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Pay in bitcoin, that's great in the future. But if it improves the gas charge, it will be more popular
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actually about this problem return to yourself, because you are experiencing it.
I don't think there's anything wrong with your thinking when you feel that using BTC for payments really feels like a loss because you see the potential for BTC prices in the future which of course will have the potential to go up high.

but if you invest in btc for the long term I think you will definitely think so.
but in my opinion do what you want.
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No, who will shay away is just someone who never intended to spend their Bitcoin, but maybe due to the situation they find themselves in, they just have no option but to spend it. That's what makes some people shy away from it. There are different kinds of investors in the Bitcoin space; some people have a hot wallet where they have some Bitcoin that they spend more often, either for trade or other kinds of transactions. They also have their cold wallet," where they store a significant amount of Bitcoin that they don't touch. But most Bitcoiners have not grown to have a lot of Bitcoin, wanting to spend the little one they have is not an option. So, that's why you see some people not happy spending their Bitcoin.

I think not spending your Bitcoins and holding them as if they were the last thing you want to get rid of is the most wrong thing to do because if the goal is to be able to spend them one day then how can we expect this to happen if it's not us the first to do it?  And also spinning many Bitcoins would also help the growth of the network.
Yeah, only when you and me spend we'll be able to see the market circulation of bitcoin. Just on accumulating we may not able to enjoy the goodness of bitcoin. Atleast for that reason we need to spend bitcoin on some of our needs. As of now we don't have much of access spending bitcoin. Only limited regions were filled with bitcoin accepted stores and service renders.
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I think not spending your Bitcoins and holding them as if they were the last thing you want to get rid of is the most wrong thing to do because if the goal is to be able to spend them one day then how can we expect this to happen if it's not us the first to do it?  And also spinning many Bitcoins would also help the growth of the network.

Your opinion may be correct, but it is not valid for every bitcoiner. You know, you can't force people to change their mindset about their Bitcoin investment. Everyone who is into bitcoin has their own motives and a decision they have made on how to spend their bitcoin. Some say they will hold until Bitcoin hits $100,000. Are you saying that the motive is not good? Owing to the fact that no one knows how soon it will be for Bitcoin to even get to that price. Some people wish to hold their Bitcoin for a very long time, and I don't quite see anything wrong with that. But anyways, I think I should get more thoughts on this because I myself have not really agreed to it (don't get me wrong, @mendace).

I clearly understand your point, but even if one holds his or her Bitcoin as though that's the last thing they want to give off in their life, it doesn't affect Bitcoin as long as there are still as many Bitcoiners spinning their Bitcoin. Like I first said above, some people have two wallets: a cold and a hot wallet.
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No, who will shay away is just someone who never intended to spend their Bitcoin, but maybe due to the situation they find themselves in, they just have no option but to spend it. That's what makes some people shy away from it. There are different kinds of investors in the Bitcoin space; some people have a hot wallet where they have some Bitcoin that they spend more often, either for trade or other kinds of transactions. They also have their cold wallet," where they store a significant amount of Bitcoin that they don't touch. But most Bitcoiners have not grown to have a lot of Bitcoin, wanting to spend the little one they have is not an option. So, that's why you see some people not happy spending their Bitcoin.

I think not spending your Bitcoins and holding them as if they were the last thing you want to get rid of is the most wrong thing to do because if the goal is to be able to spend them one day then how can we expect this to happen if it's not us the first to do it?  And also spinning many Bitcoins would also help the growth of the network.
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I generally feel bad when I need to pay with Bitcoin. Who would like to pay with something which is not deflationary. My country's currency (Turkish lira) keeps losing so much value that its best thing to pay with it. I love it when people sell me their Bitcoin for my Turkish lira (better experience than exchanges). I wonder when exactly we will start to treat as currency. I mean I obviously use it as currency - but its unfavored option for me to buy things with it - so I guess it will take years and years to come so many people will adopt it, its price will be stable so it will become very nice currency.

I think the emotion depends on how a person looks at Bitcoin.  For me, I feel nothing but being fulfilled when I spend Bitcoin.  I feel that I am helping the economics of Bitcoin and the merchant adoption since I am able to particpate in global economics of Bitcoin.  I always think that when people use Bitcoin to pay for their goods, it helps Bitcoin to establish its market and its usage as a mode of payment.

Bitcoin is not created to be hoarded but due to its increasing price people forget the true purpose of what Bitcoin is created.
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My concern now is that if we then shy away from paying with Bitcoin, how do we create more awareness, adaptability, and acceptance of this coin? I will conclude by saying use your Bitcoin diplomatically.

No, who will shay away is just someone who never intended to spend their Bitcoin, but maybe due to the situation they find themselves in, they just have no option but to spend it. That's what makes some people shy away from it. There are different kinds of investors in the Bitcoin space; some people have a hot wallet where they have some Bitcoin that they spend more often, either for trade or other kinds of transactions. They also have their cold wallet," where they store a significant amount of Bitcoin that they don't touch. But most Bitcoiners have not grown to have a lot of Bitcoin, wanting to spend the little one they have is not an option. So, that's why you see some people not happy spending their Bitcoin.
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What are your thoughts about this? Personally, I usually try to buy with stablecoins if I have some, it just feels more natural for me. I don't want to touch my BTC while the market is still bad.
It's a best decision for yours and for all to follow, because accumulating Bitcoin with time to time and then save and hold it for long time will worth and the reason is rise in price of Bitcoin with times.
Not paying Bitcoin for buying any small item will not benefits you because one reason you alredy explained above that the amount of Bitcoin we pay today will worth more in future, while the second is that when you bought an item price of 5$ with Bitcoin then you will pay alot fees too, so you should avoid buying things with Bitcoin
You are sure right, but like it's said, that beauty is in the eyes of its beholder, it is up to me to decide to pay with Bitcoin or not, when I purchase an item, like you rightly pointed out, buying a $5 item and paying in bitcoin is really a waste of your precious bitcoin, because the network fees is way expensive for such a small transaction..

But then buying items worth hundreds of dollars, or maybe, thousands, is definitely worth paying in bitcoin is the purchaser choose to, like some time last year when I bought a motor bike, I had a network issue when I wanted to make transfer from my local bank to the seller bank, the motor bike cost around $680 dollars, and luckily for me, the seller was willing to accept bitcoin payment, and I easily sent him that amount in bitcoin with a fee less than $1 dollar, and in matter of about a minute or two, the transaction was confirmed and I left the place.

So it is not a bad thing to buy items and pay with Bitcoin, but the worth of the item is what really matters.
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What are your thoughts about this? Personally, I usually try to buy with stablecoins if I have some, it just feels more natural for me. I don't want to touch my BTC while the market is still bad.
It's a best decision for yours and for all to follow, because accumulating Bitcoin with time to time and then save and hold it for long time will worth and the reason is rise in price of Bitcoin with times.
Not paying Bitcoin for buying any small item will not benefits you because one reason you alredy explained above that the amount of Bitcoin we pay today will worth more in future, while the second is that when you bought an item price of 5$ with Bitcoin then you will pay alot fees too, so you should avoid buying things with Bitcoin
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I think bitcoin's purpose is now more as an investment asset than as a transactional currency. It is also true that the government restricts it and makes it inaccessible to the public. Sanctions on the economy also have a significant impact on it, so it can be seen that gas fees have increased and the transaction speed has slowed down. But positively speaking, from the time bitcoin was born until now, its impact on other traditional assets has been huge. The fact that inflation is trying to kill fiat money is an opportunity for bitcoin to rise and become a new force in the economy.


I agree with your arguments with the captioned subject. Although, it is important to adapt to the changing conditions and business requirements of the present time.  On this matter and the trading strategy, there is still much work to be done. Mainly it depends upon the economic stability of a country and the policies which governs by the government about the free trade of cryptos. It is quite easy way to pay BTC against your needs and requirements. What we need now is to move away from traditional requirements and turn to advanced system.  If it became legal in under developed countries, it will be convenient to pay BTC.
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Bitcoin is already an unofficial currency,

Yes!
Some people use it as a currency, but if we want to see mass Bitcoin adoption, to be able to pay with it everywhere and not just in a few stores, we need to understand that it can't be just an asset to most people.

I honestly don't know how to solve this problem, but from what I see, people won't be using bitcoin as money as long as it's an asset that is dumped 3 times a week.

I'm afraid that soon no one will talk about bitcoin as a technology, but as a cool asset to trade to get a quick buck and then sell and wait for it to go down again. That way, it will never be even close to 'stability'.

Exactly, Bitcoin just stands for an alternative currency for some people especially to it's users. We couldn't just expect people to understand how to have an transaction using Bitcoin since they are not widely known yet. I think as long as fiat money exist, bitcoin wouldn't be used as currency since despite the convenience Bitcoin gives you still have to use technology to transact unlike trading of paper money as payments to any store. Plus people already adapted for a long time using fiat money as transactions so it Bitcoin became a currency where most people use, then probably there's something wrong in the economic status of a country.

In the case that even if fiat disappears, bitcoin cannot become the world currency. The government will create a new currency to replace fiat, they will never accept a currency that is not under their control. Strictly speaking, as long as the government controls this world by centralization, they will never allow a decentralized system to be used universally.


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I'm afraid that soon no one will talk about bitcoin as a technology

@crypticj, you are wrong, even if bitcoin has become a speculative asset, it still has its technology and people still use it because of its anonymity and decentralization and not just for the profit it brings.
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