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legendary
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Bah.  That old book has been changed around more times than you can count in an hour or two.

True. And each time it was a sin. For that matter the Bible is not even from Christianity. It was put together as a collection under Roman rule and is an official government document. We have lost most of the original Christian gospels when the Bible was made. Only books that fit with Roman sensibilities and law were allowed. These official books have also changed greatly from their original iterations.
Take for example the Sumerian story of Gilgamesh. God destroyed the world in a flood, one guy made an ark and filled it with animals to repopulate the planet. Sound familiar? It's the story that Noah and the ark is derived from. In other cases widely read Christian books were banned. The "Gospel according to Mary" was one such book. The Romans were completely against the idea of a women's role in religion. There must be priests and the priests must be men. It's the Roman way! They can't have a book in the Bible with lines like "But if the Savior made her worthy, who are you indeed to reject her? Surely the Savior knows her very well."    

P.S. If Lot can screw his daughters to increase the population then I should be able to repopulate the Earth with my sister. (This would be creepier if I had a sister  Cheesy )

One is inclined to answer with a quote from Shakespeare.

But they are all too nasty.

lol...YET the Bard is quoted too, chapter and verse.
legendary
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1 Corinthians 11:6 - from http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/11258/what-happened-to-the-the-practice-of-women-covering-their-heads:
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The way I accept this unchanging rule, while opposing the enforcement of the cultural rule, only relevant in the Middle East, is this way. First, Paul in referring to nature is simply pointing out what most people realize. In general men look silly with long hair (with some exceptions) and in general women look beautiful with long, flowing, gorgeous hair (with some exceptions). Nobody would ever be able to deny this, just looked at models in magazines. Why is this the case? Paul argues it is a natural symbol that shows a woman under the headship of the man. In a man's case his headship is not in this world but invisible, so when praying to God the open air is a better symbol. Not that a woman does not ultimately have Christ as her head as well but that she came from the man, i.e. wo-man, as symbols of societies organization from the original template of Adam and Eve.

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Read more at http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/11258/what-happened-to-the-the-practice-of-women-covering-their-heads.

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The problem is that puts some guys opinion superior to Gods infallible word. It makes me wonder what other things I could change. Could I have sex with my sister? Why not, Couldn't I just come up with some words that justify it. That is what has happened for many rules found in the Bible, like the one we are discussing.
I don't recall any passage in the Bible that allows any person to change the word of God. There is no ambiguity in the passage, women MUST cover their heads.

The problem is with the translations. The question is, if you were one of the people speaking the original language that Paul said this in, and if you were one who was actually hearing him speak it, and if you were one of those who listened to his explanations of what he meant - which explanations are not in the bible, BTW - what did he really say.

The translations are words that come down to us by the translators. Yes, most of the time they do their best. But their understanding of what was said is a hand-me-down understanding.

From BibleGateway https://www.biblegateway.com:

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1 Corinthians 11:6-9 The Message (MSG)

3-9 In a marriage relationship, there is authority from Christ to husband, and from husband to wife. The authority of Christ is the authority of God. Any man who speaks with God or about God in a way that shows a lack of respect for the authority of Christ, dishonors Christ. In the same way, a wife who speaks with God in a way that shows a lack of respect for the authority of her husband, dishonors her husband. Worse, she dishonors herself—an ugly sight, like a woman with her head shaved. This is basically the origin of these customs we have of women wearing head coverings in worship, while men take their hats off. By these symbolic acts, men and women, who far too often butt heads with each other, submit their “heads” to the Head: God.

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1 Corinthians 11:6 Amplified Bible (AMP)

6 For if a woman will not wear [a head] covering, then she should cut off her hair too; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her head shorn or shaven, let her cover [her head].

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1 Corinthians 11:6Modern English Version (MEV)

6 For if the woman is not covered, let her also cut off her hair. But if it is a shame for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved, let her be covered.

Again, St. Paul was writing to the Corinthian people. Their customs are not like that of America. The customs were like that of today's Middle East. In the case of hair, it is the customs that make the validity. God is not making another commandment for people. The whole new testament was about upholding and fulfilling the commandments, not making new ones.

The big point in all of this is, get yourself out of guilt and feelings of guilt. If it is wrong in your eyes to do something, don't do it. If it is right to do something else, do it. Don't feel guilty. Rather, live for peace and tranquility among the people you live among.

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legendary
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Bah.  That old book has been changed around more times than you can count in an hour or two.

True. And each time it was a sin. For that matter the Bible is not even from Christianity. It was put together as a collection under Roman rule and is an official government document. We have lost most of the original Christian gospels when the Bible was made. Only books that fit with Roman sensibilities and law were allowed. These official books have also changed greatly from their original iterations.
Take for example the Sumerian story of Gilgamesh. God destroyed the world in a flood, one guy made an ark and filled it with animals to repopulate the planet. Sound familiar? It's the story that Noah and the ark is derived from. In other cases widely read Christian books were banned. The "Gospel according to Mary" was one such book. The Romans were completely against the idea of a women's role in religion. There must be priests and the priests must be men. It's the Roman way! They can't have a book in the Bible with lines like "But if the Savior made her worthy, who are you indeed to reject her? Surely the Savior knows her very well."    

P.S. If Lot can screw his daughters to increase the population then I should be able to repopulate the Earth with my sister. (This would be creepier if I had a sister  Cheesy )
legendary
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The problem is that puts some guys opinion superior to Gods infallible word. It makes me wonder what other things I could change. Could I have sex with my sister? Why not, Couldn't I just come up with some words that justify it. ....


Scenario.  The politicians of Earth finally did it, and the nukes went flying.  One hit the wrong stuff, and the resulting radiation half life on Earth is sixty years.  

The only survivors were 24 people who got off in a spaceship just in time.  Then there was a disease that killed off everyone on that ship except you and your sister.  

As far as you know, only you two are alive.

Does the race die out because you follow The Book, or do you "just make up some words that justify it?"

Although this is a made up scenario, you can see clearly that it overrides rules made up and put down in an old book and alleged to be "The Word of God."  

FAR MORE COMPLEX QUESTION.  One of the two left living wants to, the other absolutely refuses.
legendary
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The problem is that puts some guys opinion superior to Gods infallible word. It makes me wonder what other things I could change. Could I have sex with my sister? Why not, Couldn't I just come up with some words that justify it. That is what has happened for many rules found in the Bible, like the one we are discussing.
I don't recall any passage in the Bible that allows any person to change the word of God. There is no ambiguity in the passage, women MUST cover their heads.

Then you didn't get through Revelation.

Revelation 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book

Why would He put it in if they couldn't?
I'm confused. That passage specifically says that you can not change any part of the Bible. If you add or subtract any part then God will punish you.  Which is my point. It is clearly a sin for a Christian woman to leave her head uncovered. If you see one, then you should hold her down and cut off her hair. That's God's rule, not mine.

Bah.  That old book has been changed around more times than you can count in an hour or two.



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The problem is that puts some guys opinion superior to Gods infallible word. It makes me wonder what other things I could change. Could I have sex with my sister? Why not, Couldn't I just come up with some words that justify it. That is what has happened for many rules found in the Bible, like the one we are discussing.
I don't recall any passage in the Bible that allows any person to change the word of God. There is no ambiguity in the passage, women MUST cover their heads.

Then you didn't get through Revelation.

Revelation 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book

Why would He put it in if they couldn't?
I'm confused. That passage specifically says that you can not change any part of the Bible. If you add or subtract any part then God will punish you.  Which is my point. It is clearly a sin for a Christian woman to leave her head uncovered. If you see one, then you should hold her down and cut off her hair. That's God's rule, not mine.

Judgement comes at the end of your life, and the coming of Jesus. Not before.
legendary
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The revolution will be monetized!
The problem is that puts some guys opinion superior to Gods infallible word. It makes me wonder what other things I could change. Could I have sex with my sister? Why not, Couldn't I just come up with some words that justify it. That is what has happened for many rules found in the Bible, like the one we are discussing.
I don't recall any passage in the Bible that allows any person to change the word of God. There is no ambiguity in the passage, women MUST cover their heads.

Then you didn't get through Revelation.

Revelation 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book

Why would He put it in if they couldn't?
I'm confused. That passage specifically says that you can not change any part of the Bible. If you add or subtract any part then God will punish you.  Which is my point. It is clearly a sin for a Christian woman to leave her head uncovered. If you see one, then you should hold her down and cut off her hair. That's God's rule, not mine.
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1 Corinthians 11:6 - from http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/11258/what-happened-to-the-the-practice-of-women-covering-their-heads:
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The way I accept this unchanging rule, while opposing the enforcement of the cultural rule, only relevant in the Middle East, is this way. First, Paul in referring to nature is simply pointing out what most people realize. In general men look silly with long hair (with some exceptions) and in general women look beautiful with long, flowing, gorgeous hair (with some exceptions). Nobody would ever be able to deny this, just looked at models in magazines. Why is this the case? Paul argues it is a natural symbol that shows a woman under the headship of the man. In a man's case his headship is not in this world but invisible, so when praying to God the open air is a better symbol. Not that a woman does not ultimately have Christ as her head as well but that she came from the man, i.e. wo-man, as symbols of societies organization from the original template of Adam and Eve.

...

Read more at http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/11258/what-happened-to-the-the-practice-of-women-covering-their-heads.

Smiley

The problem is that puts some guys opinion superior to Gods infallible word. It makes me wonder what other things I could change. Could I have sex with my sister? Why not, Couldn't I just come up with some words that justify it. That is what has happened for many rules found in the Bible, like the one we are discussing.
I don't recall any passage in the Bible that allows any person to change the word of God. There is no ambiguity in the passage, women MUST cover their heads.

Then you didn't get through Revelation.

Revelation 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book

Why would He put it in if they couldn't?
legendary
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The revolution will be monetized!
1 Corinthians 11:6 - from http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/11258/what-happened-to-the-the-practice-of-women-covering-their-heads:
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The way I accept this unchanging rule, while opposing the enforcement of the cultural rule, only relevant in the Middle East, is this way. First, Paul in referring to nature is simply pointing out what most people realize. In general men look silly with long hair (with some exceptions) and in general women look beautiful with long, flowing, gorgeous hair (with some exceptions). Nobody would ever be able to deny this, just looked at models in magazines. Why is this the case? Paul argues it is a natural symbol that shows a woman under the headship of the man. In a man's case his headship is not in this world but invisible, so when praying to God the open air is a better symbol. Not that a woman does not ultimately have Christ as her head as well but that she came from the man, i.e. wo-man, as symbols of societies organization from the original template of Adam and Eve.

...

Read more at http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/11258/what-happened-to-the-the-practice-of-women-covering-their-heads.

Smiley

The problem is that puts some guys opinion superior to Gods infallible word. It makes me wonder what other things I could change. Could I have sex with my sister? Why not, Couldn't I just come up with some words that justify it. That is what has happened for many rules found in the Bible, like the one we are discussing.
I don't recall any passage in the Bible that allows any person to change the word of God. There is no ambiguity in the passage, women MUST cover their heads.
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Depends on who you ask. Christians are absolutely forbidden from eating shellfish. But most Christians don't even know that. Christian women are REQUIRED to cover their heads also. But again, since most Christians don't know this and we have little cultural connection with the writers of the bible it is ignored. (Spoiler Alert Most Christians are going straight to hell, lol)
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The only way to be saved is through Jesus Christ, not works.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

The bible doesn't talk about burning in hell forever and ever like most think:

THE BIBLICAL TRUTH ABOUT HELL
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I hate don't like all religions because they make people hates each other. it's better just to believe in higher power (God) without being in any religion. at least in my opinion

I dont hate religion, no matter what your religion or whether you have no religion. I just hate the person who committed the crime.
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after reading some comments , i see some of you dont know much about islam , they think its a killing religion , but anyways i believe people who hate islam are just so confused , im not telling you to be a muslim or anything but hey! give it a chance and read my friend .... (dont get angry)

Islam = 1 god (have no son , no wife , no mother .... think about it)

Islam = Dont kill Noone! (its in quran, not internet or media...) but Only if they wanted to kill you (and thats your right) .

Islam = Peace , Love , ..... read and you will see your it self.  (Dont read on websites that hate islam ....    )

I love islam and i love your religion ....

I am confused  Huh

Why do some Muslim women wear burqas or head gear, are they required to do so?



Depends on who you ask. Christians are absolutely forbidden from eating shellfish. But most Christians don't even know that. Christian women are REQUIRED to cover their heads also. But again, since most Christians don't know this and we have little cultural connection with the writers of the bible it is ignored. (Spoiler Alert Most Christians are going straight to hell, lol)

Most Muslims would say that you must dress modestly. What does that mean? Depends on who you ask again. A conservative Muslim might say that you should cover up your body as much as practical. This is not a rule for women, men should also be covered. They should wear long pants, long shirts, and wrap their heads. Another Muslim might say you don't have to cover up except at the mosque, but you should not wear skimpy clothing in public.

1 Corinthians 11:6 King James version
"For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered."


1 Corinthians 11:6 - from http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/11258/what-happened-to-the-the-practice-of-women-covering-their-heads:
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The way I accept this unchanging rule, while opposing the enforcement of the cultural rule, only relevant in the Middle East, is this way. First, Paul in referring to nature is simply pointing out what most people realize. In general men look silly with long hair (with some exceptions) and in general women look beautiful with long, flowing, gorgeous hair (with some exceptions). Nobody would ever be able to deny this, just looked at models in magazines. Why is this the case? Paul argues it is a natural symbol that shows a woman under the headship of the man. In a man's case his headship is not in this world but invisible, so when praying to God the open air is a better symbol. Not that a woman does not ultimately have Christ as her head as well but that she came from the man, i.e. wo-man, as symbols of societies organization from the original template of Adam and Eve.

...

Read more at http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/11258/what-happened-to-the-the-practice-of-women-covering-their-heads.

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legendary
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after reading some comments , i see some of you dont know much about islam , they think its a killing religion , but anyways i believe people who hate islam are just so confused , im not telling you to be a muslim or anything but hey! give it a chance and read my friend .... (dont get angry)

Islam = 1 god (have no son , no wife , no mother .... think about it)

Islam = Dont kill Noone! (its in quran, not internet or media...) but Only if they wanted to kill you (and thats your right) .

Islam = Peace , Love , ..... read and you will see your it self.  (Dont read on websites that hate islam ....    )

I love islam and i love your religion ....

I am confused  Huh

Why do some Muslim women wear burqas or head gear, are they required to do so?



Depends on who you ask. Christians are absolutely forbidden from eating shellfish. But most Christians don't even know that. Christian women are REQUIRED to cover their heads also. But again, since most Christians don't know this and we have little cultural connection with the writers of the bible it is ignored. (Spoiler Alert Most Christians are going straight to hell, lol)

Most Muslims would say that you must dress modestly. What does that mean? Depends on who you ask again. A conservative Muslim might say that you should cover up your body as much as practical. This is not a rule for women, men should also be covered. They should wear long pants, long shirts, and wrap their heads. Another Muslim might say you don't have to cover up except at the mosque, but you should not wear skimpy clothing in public.

1 Corinthians 11:6 King James version
"For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered."
legendary
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Hate is a retribution of hate... Islam preaches hate, so hardly will ever get any love back.
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after reading some comments , i see some of you dont know much about islam , they think its a killing religion , but anyways i believe people who hate islam are just so confused , im not telling you to be a muslim or anything but hey! give it a chance and read my friend .... (dont get angry)

Islam = 1 god (have no son , no wife , no mother .... think about it)

Islam = Dont kill Noone! (its in quran, not internet or media...) but Only if they wanted to kill you (and thats your right) .

Islam = Peace , Love , ..... read and you will see your it self.  (Dont read on websites that hate islam ....    )

I love islam and i love your religion ....

I am confused  Huh

Why do some Muslim women wear burqas or head gear, are they required to do so?

legendary
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Yeah. Just forget it. As long as there are Muslims, people are gonna hate Islam. Many of the haters will be the Muslims themselves.

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legendary
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Islam is a peaceful religion. I think those who killed innocent people brutally under the name of Islam is not real Islam.

From the date of its invention, Islam has used genocide and warfare to gain new followers. Very few of the current Muslim-majority nations converted to Islam in a peaceful way. And it is foolish to say that ISIS is not related to Islam. ISIS justifies the killing of Yazidis and other non-Muslims, by quoting the Hadiths and other Islamic religious texts.
legendary
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after reading some comments , i see some of you dont know much about islam , they think its a killing religion , but anyways i believe people who hate islam are just so confused , im not telling you to be a muslim or anything but hey! give it a chance and read my friend .... (dont get angry)

Islam = 1 god (have no son , no wife , no mother .... think about it)

Islam = Dont kill Noone! (its in quran, not internet or media...) but Only if they wanted to kill you (and thats your right) .

Islam = Peace , Love , ..... read and you will see your it self.  (Dont read on websites that hate islam ....   Smiley )

I love islam and i love your religion .... Smiley


Um, don't some of those that call themselves Islam WANT TO KILL US?  Isn't that what this whole thing is about?  So why do you come in with all this lovey dovey hold hands and have a big nice prayerfest in the name of Islam?
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There has been more bloodshed and pain caused in the name of Religion over the years than anything else and it's a true blight on humanity. Islam and ISIS are fundamentally linked ( these fools aren't killing in the name of Hinduism or Christianity) therefore Islam needs to take of this, but does Islam really want that?  💀💣💀

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Islam is a peaceful religion. I think those who killed innocent people brutally under the name of Islam is not real Islam. They just wore mask of Islam to make people hate Islam. And it got me cursing them and their acts too.
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