Topic: Do you know what we need? A true Decentralized Movement-Build the currency last. (Read 1373 times)

Did a better job on the OP.

Anyone see anything else I should change?

The management we need is in the organization.

I do want to create our own coin/platform.

I like to see you thinking about this. We need others to join us and slowly move forward.

Of course if everyone else wants TALK then that is what we will do. I just think starting from scratch will end up being the best way.

The coin will not be sold for a long time.

First we need to discuss how to create an effective decentralized organization.

Those who are active in the organization get a stake. The people who didn't have the time, or just didn't have interest in building the organization can buy at the IPO stage.

By the time we do the IPO, we will not only have the latest greatest tech, but a powerful organization behind the coin.

This will bring value, and the ability to market it effectively to the masses.

Maybe the participants of our movement will want to give it away.

None of this will be up to me.

If you want to convince other people to buy your coin, the coin should be innovative, not with huge premine, distributed fairly.

Another IPO. Sounds great. This one is bound to succeed because its opposite to all the other IPOs.

Really?

Conrad Hilton was my favorite.

Decentralization is the future.

Jl777 is Nxt downfall? Interesting.

I understand the corporate world has taken interest. Chances are it will be a grassroots decentralized movement that will be successful.

You're not helping here. I do think you really believe the stuff you just wrote, and I think many would agree with you.

I'm not being mean, but we are on two different planets.

agree.


Why not build the coin first?  so i'll shill my suggestion TALK ... it was already airdropped to BCT members ... it works [it mostly works] ... it has gone thru the pump and dump cycle ... and now is worth so little it's not worth dumping any more ... gradeAAA shitte coin!


Here's the beautifeel part ... no need for a 'management team'  ... see the above ... coin is made and distributed ... the network is still up even got a crappy block explorer and a market listing.  Nothing left to manage.  Except getting more people staking so the network gets more healthy.


Got a formula for that?  I am thinking salary paid in TALK.  What we making?  Well the coin you alls envision in this thread. 


Well the talent is here already in the greater community that is BCT.  It is just a question of networking it all together into a functional team.


don't be impatient now


that be are you a dev then please work for free or TALK ... which is the same, almost.



actually the ETH and the forks (like EXP) will streamline management and codifying how an organization runs ... so decentralized in that yes everyone is in charge (if they choose to be) but the platform regulates via a set of rules ... so everyone can have influence what are the rules and re-write the rules at will.

the tech is still beta stage but likely already usable for DAO creation.

You have studied this tiny niche and gotten it exactly backwards.

The "blockchain" niche is being taken over on the corporate level...
By well-capitalized, well-led teams of experienced elite engineers and marketing experts (people who do not work for free).

Secretive cliques of anon devs are almost always scammers...
Or lack the competence/organization to target a market and develop a revenue stream.

NXT is the living embodiment of the above truism...
Despite Herculean efforts by core Devs that are paid a mere pittance...
Slick carpetbaggers like jl777 have SUCKED NXT DRY...
And made off with all the fucking money while delivering nothing usable.

So, no, any decentralized approach will never build anything "great" (it's a juvenile fantasy)...
Please read Steve Jobs' biography (have you ever read even one a biography of a historic business leader?)
 

Who understands what I'm trying to accomplish?

I got TPTB thinking I'm naive, or at least he doesn't think I really understand just how difficult it is to make meaningful progress in anything with so many people involved. His assessment is perfectly understandable because he doesn't know me, and I am proposing something that makes it sound like I am inexperienced at first glance. He has a point. It's true, working alone, or in limited groups makes it much easier to make meaningful progress when you are trying to come up with ideas, test theories, execute a plan, and track results. For a long time I always joked by saying the old adage with my spin, "to many egos in the kitchen". So I get it. Add in politics and personal hidden alternative agendas, plus many other factors too many to count, and it's easy to see why the traditional method of central control has been more effective and preferred for so long.

I have worked in organizations and had literally hundreds of employees working under my leadership, with Supervisors who had Sales Trainers helping them train and manage the crew.

Sure, I have wanted to pull my hair out when dealing with all the different personalities, especially when in a meeting when everyone thinks their idea or plan is the right way to proceed. So many times I said thanks for all your input and kicked myself for asking. But I was always willing to do it again, and deal with the headache, because it did make me better for doing it.

Believe me, I fully understand the outright headache and clusterfuck that can cause meaningful progress to fly right out the window many times as well.

Again, not knowing me I can see that people could think I just don't get it.

I do.

I know full well what I am proposing is difficult. I consider myself a pretty smart guy, and have extensive experience in classic centralized management we are all so used to.

But being a part of the cryptocurrency movement for years now, and seeing the genius of the public ledger, and the attention it has received in many circles all over the world, I now believe decentralization is the future.


Even in management of organizations


I'm not sure how exactly it will end up coming to pass, but I believe the next true innovation in cryptocurrency will be in a decentralized organization being behind it.

To me this is the logical next step, and I intend to explore it with like minded individuals.

Our organization needs top gun guys that can code. But this is only 1 piece of the organization. We need many other professionals as well. Think of all the departments and positions needed in a successful company. We need all those people, too.

Tall order. No doubt. But we will build it.
Once it is built, we will have the capability to get our message out to the general public.

What is our message? I have some ideas. Together we will refine them in time.

But first things first

Together we will work out how this decentralized organization will work, and then, and only then, we will move on to the task of actually creating a coin/platform that will rise to challenge that has yet to be realized.


Mass adoption

you can do this in a few weeks.  without hyping and marketing requirements probably around 3 days.  offer a locked in code base without allowing modifications that are not part of fixing security issues and problems.  please make/offer a fair distribution.  you cant possibly pull off any ipo or insta ninja mine scam.  i wish you luck. i look forward to your coin and whether you followed the fairness guidelines.

One does not simply defend americanpegasus, for he is the reason us bitcoiners get mocked all over the internet.

Thank you very much!!

I will read this material, as Im sure it will contain information that can help us!!

You are not on my bad side. I don't get mad or take offense very easily. I would like to hear from you if its saying good things about me, my ideas, or not. As long as I don't think you're saying those things just to be an ass. Which I don't see you doing.

I took the comment in context with his other comments in the thread, and seen it as him just trying to be a dick. Maybe I was wrong, but I still dont think so as of now.

It seems I am having a hard time getting even you to understand what I'm talking about here. I will take the blame on that.

You see, I am not at this point trying to find someone to code for this project at this point.

It is true that many of the great minds here do code. I am aware that those in this group focus most of their energies doing just that. Not to say they don't do other things, such as you doing research on good names for your project, or interpretation of laws for example.

I believe there are also great minds that don't code. We need them, too.

Also, you are correct that organization can stifle creativity and innovation. The key word here is "can". And yes, most of the time it does.

Sure, right now it is a fantasy to think we can change that. But make no mistake, that is the innovation I am looking to explore here.

I should have been much more clear as to what I am looking for here.

I'm not trying to get all of you to get together, as one, and then code the ultimate coin, platform, or blockchain, etc.

I am looking to first and foremost create something that has eluded all of us.

The fantasy is finding a way to create a truly decentralized organization. The greatest "on chain" platform ever created, will still need an "off chain" organization running things on the front end and behind the scenes.

So far, we've seen even the most impressive decentralized platforms being controlled in a centralized manner.

It is my opinion that we can, by starting a serious dialogue here, improve upon what we have seen so far.

I think there are many reasons that we haven't seen a platform reach mass adoption. I believe if we take this next step, and find a way to bring the spirit of decentralization we have witnessed come about from the concept of the public ledger, and try to find ways to make an organization surrounding the technology more decentralized than we have so far, we will take that next big step that has been eluding thus far.

If you, and others have too much on your plate currently to offer your intellect towards this cause I understand.

You would be a great asset if you could though, as you know this is a very lofty goal, but I have faith we can evolve further.

Here's the manual of how to create/kickstart/run a decentralised organisation, and why decentralised orgs have advantages over more traditional structures:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starfish_and_the_Spider
http://www.starfishandspider.com/

Check out the company culture of W.L.Gore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._L._Gore_and_Associates#Culture

Huh  

That was a very astute comment. He is telling you exactly how it is. I wouldn't dare stop what I am working on to come work on some fantasy as what you've described in the OP.

I understand that you feel if we can just get together we can do much better. But this just shows how little experience you have. There are already organized efforts that have many developers contributing to open source such as Monero.

Trust me the challenge is more about knowing what to code, not only having the right devs to code. That creative knowledge will come from an unexpected direction. Overly organized (and politicized) attempts tend to suppress creativity and the decentralization you propose is the antithesis of organization (thus it appears you aren't really clear on what you are asking for). We already have decentralized development in the form of many altcoins. I know you want everyone to team up, but that isn't decentralization.

Any way, none of us has the free time to explain this to you. I don't mean to get on your bad side. But I do hope you will listen to the wise advice you've been given.

P.S. I didn't notice you had created a moderated thread for this. I would never have posted. Moderated thread maybe for your own altcoin to deal with trolls, but on a subject matter like this then moderated thread is really anal. As you just proved by deleting an astute post that nearly all experts would agree with.

I deleted this comment for obvious reasons, but quoted it as an example of what goofy comments I will just delete.

I hate censorship, but it is not an attempt to add to the conversation whatsoever.

Others have been off topic, but Id rather ignore them as long as possible.

The goal is to delete as little as possible.



It was just too much off topic and non-constructive post in this thread.

I'm trying to get the great minds to first start a conversation that its goal is to create an organization that is decentralized, that doesn't stifle ideas, and can make progress and run successful without centralization.

That is the innovation I'm attempting to get us to create.

His post wasn't necessarily arguing against adding another standard. I think he was pointing out that what the OP was advocating, had already been tried, i.e. that grand unification (nirvana) rarely happens.

I think most of the above mentioned coins are working well. Most of them have distributed network of miners.

Already tried:

Dogecoin, community didn't work
Ethereum, technology doesn't work
Litecoin, mimicing might work
huntercoin, gaming doesnt work
monero, privacy doesn't work
dash, hype doesn't work


there is one requirement that you must have to start a coin, you must have a distributed network of miners that does not go down in hashrate but always increases. solve that first....