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January 12, 2014, 11:23:14 AM
#47
IMO Bitcoin is far to slow to be used reliably.. it might take a few years but something will overtake bitcoin... maybe not the price per coin you are seeing, but a good marketcap.

Still much faster and more reliable than international money transfers (those take days and the fees are really high!). Though I guess it can end up by bitcoin being the value holder, or coin used to pay "slow" orders (like e-shops, where one hour payment delay won't matter, since the package arrives usually within 1-3 days anyway) and some faster coin (ltc? doge?) being used for online payments (pay within 3 minute from anywhere in the world.... ), mostly smaller transactions.
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January 12, 2014, 09:46:53 AM
#46
IMO Bitcoin is far to slow to be used reliably.. it might take a few years but something will overtake bitcoin... maybe not the price per coin you are seeing, but a good marketcap.
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January 12, 2014, 09:37:55 AM
#45
I mine, (and hold), the alt coins with the highest total network hashrate, I try to focus on the top 5 in total network hash rate and select the ones I determine have the most potential upside over the next year to two years.

The speed of a coin's transaction confirmation is important, very important. Worldcoin and Fastcoin are faster coins, so they should be examined. However, when a coin's transaction times are too fast this promotes stales and orphans in the mining community. Fastcoin mining produces many, many more stales and orphans than Worldcoin, and that is a problem. Fastcoin is too fast and pushes the litecoin Scrypt model much too far, but this has always been known, and Fastcoin is still increasing its total network hashrate at a very competitive rate, there remains interest in mining Fastcoin. But the price, the value of Fastcoin in BTC is very poor and that is of concern. The more a coin's value is against BTC, no matter the logic, the more attractive it is to investors and miners, even if the other factors about the coin make it less valuable overall.

Also, those coins with the highest total network hash rates have the largest mining communities, thus, they have the greatest number of nodes, (miners/GPU), mining them. This is less true of bitcoin with the spreading of ASIC. Bitcoin retains a gigantic hash rate, i.e., a healthy transaction processing network, but the number of mining nodes, (physical nodes mining and entities), has decreased and will continue to decrease. I expect to see this happen to some degree with the release of Scrypt ASIC, but I also expect to see the same set of problems that bitcoin ASIC experienced in its release. The release of first gen Scrypt ASIC is not going to be pretty. The 2nd Gen Scyrpt ASIC retail releases will probably be much better, we'll probably see that by Q2 of 2015 in some real numbers, and then network hash rates for those alt coins that are currently the most popular will explode, and GPU miners will fall off of them, and retreat to the other, less popular Scrypt coins, and look more closely for new coin releases with promise. It's a cycle, wash, rinse repeat, this "ASIC" cycle.

The health and size of a coin's total network hash rate, its "network effect" is crucial to its long term value. Applications that build upon the blockchain of a coin are dependent on a healthy transaction network, i.e., high network hash rate. I think this is the single most important factor when attempting to speculate on the potential value of any coin, including bitcoin and litecoin.

Currently, I favor Worldcoin as its reputation compared to Feathercoin is less exploited. FTC has seen a lot of pump and dump and was a part of UNOCS which failed. Worldcoin was also a part of UNOCS however that is less widely known. Feathercoin was the poster child in many ways for UNOCS and so its public relations has suffered most. Scharmbeck and the development team supporting Worldcoin at this time is strong and the pool operators for Worldcoin, like NUT2, are upgrading and working hard. There is very little bad press, or rumor about Worldcoin pools. Worldcoin is like the third swing of the bat in many ways and is connecting well.

So, the total network hashrate is one of the best indicators of the interest in any coin. If more people and entities are willing to mine a coin, that shows more interest in the coin and people tell others what they like and what they do, so that's a word of mouth factor that increases the visibility of a coin.

The ability of a coin due to it difficulty re-targeting to maintain itself consistently in the upper 1/4 to upper 1/3 of most profitable coins compared to BTC is another big factor in the potential popularity of and future mining community interest in a coin. Just like a YouTube video which appears in the top ten, it goes viral even more because it is visible to so many in that list, a coin that maintains consistent top ranks in the most profitable listing is simply more visible and more attractive to miners. PHS, Philosopher Stone coin is a great example of a very dynamic difficulty retargeting which will often vault the coin suddenly, and unexpectedly to the most profitable coin of BTC value to mine, and many miners will jump on that, knee jerk most profitable mining, and that dynamic difficulty re-targeting serves many complex purposes for PHS.

Total Network Hash Rate
Most Profitable of BTC

And third is the coin's reward per block compared to its difficulty. We can derive a strength metric in this category to compare the alt coins on that basis. How many coins a miner can obtain for a given amount of hashing power for a set amount of time that miner mines that coin is important. And the more value that coin has in BTC, the more important this reward/difficulty metric becomes. Again, clever difficulty retargeting schemes increase a coin's appeal when this metric is examined long term.

Dogecoin's wild popularity recently is due in large part to its gigantic reward per block, and relatively low difficulty compared to that gigantic reward. And Dogecoin has some marketing appeal as well. If Dogecoin can maintain the growth of its total network hashrate it has a fighting chance, but the reporting of that total network hash rate due to miners coming and going as its profitability against BTC changes rapidly is difficult to report, therefore, it is not as visible as some other coins which makes it more risky in the long term. If I cannot see the total network hash rate of a coin consistently, then I cannot assess its potential to provide for a healthy network in the future, which is critical for the development of services and adoption using that coin.

I own and trade litecoin because Charles Lee, the lead developer, the creator of litecoin works for coinbase, one of the largest bitcoin processors and service developers in the world, and Bobby Lee, his brother, is the CEO of one of the largest bitcoin exchanges in the world based in China, btcChina. okCoin currently lists litecoin for trade and the volume of litecoin on the okCoin exchange is a lot, and is increasing each week. The Chinese love litecoin, this is clear. The Chinese understand the potential of litecoin because of its relationship to Charles Lee and Bobby Lee and the places they occupy in the CryptoCurrency money industry.
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January 12, 2014, 09:20:42 AM
#44
The majority of my portfolio is in BTC/LTC, and that's split just a little bit more in BTC at the moment which has changed from a couple of months ago where it was mostly LTC. I have no doubt that LTC will reach $100, and I still see it edging higher against BTC long-term, which that graph previously posted suggested in terms of its trend.
I probably have about 10% of my coins in alt's a the moment (not including LTC). In total I have about 20 different coins, but the coins that I have more long-term faith in are WDC, DGC, NMC, PPC, MEC, XPM. The others are mostly crap shots imo. The thing is, it just takes one of these coins to make it, and I'll do pretty well from whichever one does.
Ripple is underrated by a lot of people- I don't think that there will be a huge price increase anytime soon (and there are too many coins for any BTC effect, but in terms of a system of purchase/exchange for the masses- Ripple have pretty much nailed it imo.
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January 12, 2014, 09:03:31 AM
#43
Bitcoins were too expensive for me, therefore I bought some QRK 0.0001EUR each and LTC for 1EUReach in October/November 2013.
I just hold them and see what the price will be in 2014. Hopefully I can pay my vacation and a new laptop for it this year  Grin
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January 12, 2014, 08:54:38 AM
#42
Hoping one of the ALTcoins to make it on the market and get some profit ofcourse!
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January 12, 2014, 08:46:55 AM
#41
I dabble in ANC, PPC, LTC and NMC - buying and selling for more BTC. I chose these coins as I wouldn't mind holding on to them for a long time should their value to BTC drop substantially.  Smiley
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January 12, 2014, 08:38:11 AM
#40
Interesting to see so many different points of view.

Could anyone provide a LTC/BTC chart that covers the whole 2013?

There you go:


What line is what? Could you mention the source too?
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January 12, 2014, 02:01:55 AM
#39
+1 to all of this. Peercoin also makes 51% attacks impractical so it's a good choice if the recent ghash.io news spooked you. On top of all that Sunny King knows his shits and puts up weekly updates on here.

From a traders perspective I think its quite the opposite, from the research I've done on the POS system Sunny King doesn't know his shit lol

Did you document your research? I think this is really important that the world see this.
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January 12, 2014, 01:18:37 AM
#38
I own Bitcoins- not much, around .25(Bought them on Coinbase the week before bitcoins plummeted to $500 a pop. Had I waited, I would've had .5 BTC :/). I also own a couple of Peercoins. A few hundred Fastcoins- they're relatively cheap. All the other altcoins I have were given to me for free like Fedoracoins, eTokens, Earthcoins, Catcoins etc... I own them because you never know what will happen. Since so many companies have started accepting Bitcoins, it could see a boom, some good altcoins will grow along it while most will burn, we don't know which, so I try owning as many different coins as possible. I especially like rare coins.
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January 12, 2014, 01:03:48 AM
#37
I like to dabble in many.  And a lot of them not for profits, but because they are fun, or silly.  I have Federation Credits, which I will probably never sell, but just so I can tell my Trekkie friends I have Federation Credits, and they don't yet I am not a Trekkie.   I really like Bottlecaps, just the name and the Fallout ties.  I have never actually sold my Bottlecaps either.  I just like to have a small stash, incase I need them after the apocalypse  Smiley.  I also now am a supporter of Baconbits, or the Bacon coin, for no other reason than it has Bacon on it.  And I am more than likely going to mine Noodly Appendage coin, because the slogan "He boiled for our sins" actually had me laughing.  

Aside from that, my main coin is LTC, but I also dabble in WDC, MegaCoin, Cryptogenic Bullion, DigitalCoin and a few others.

I like Altcoins, because I honestly think BTC doesn't have what it will take to actually become the currency for the world.  It has to many flaws.  I don't think the alts atm have what it would take to complete the task either, but supporting the alts though supports new developers that may one day bring something totally new to the table that could make it the crypto to take over for fiat.  

I also support BTC,  It is the huge frontrunner, and will be the coin that pushes further and further into the mainstream opening up the doors for the entire idea of a cryptocurrency becoming a mainstream currency, and I believe it will one day many years from now be the currency accepted in place of Paypal for Ebay and most other internet sites.  
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January 12, 2014, 12:45:33 AM
#36
I own small quantities of about 30 or 40 coins, though about 5 of them are already dead and maybe 5 more are sort of terminally ill.
Mostly small quantities to make any significant profit in an exchange when dumped, so I'll rather keep them, speculating on the possibility of price going up.

But generally, I won't hold too much wealth in newer alt coins, when wealth in alts > wealth in BTC+LTC, it may be good time to consider rebalancing the portfolio in favor of BTC/LTC.
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January 12, 2014, 12:40:53 AM
#35
I owned EAC, LOT, LTC and NXT....a little bit of 42.

Just holding them ri8 nw..Nt to miss an oppurtunity like what BTC has seen.
Rest all new coins are crap. Cz miners mine them and then dump them at a lower price, which is nt gd for any coin..


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January 12, 2014, 12:21:07 AM
#34
I own EAC and COYE, and I am almost sure will increase my XBT ammount with their help
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January 11, 2014, 11:59:43 PM
#33
+1 to all of this. Peercoin also makes 51% attacks impractical so it's a good choice if the recent ghash.io news spooked you. On top of all that Sunny King knows his shits and puts up weekly updates on here.

From a traders perspective I think its quite the opposite, from the research I've done on the POS system Sunny King doesn't know his shit lol
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January 11, 2014, 11:57:01 PM
#32

History of Bitcoin is history of pump and dump, it means history of scam. Altcoins are not so different. They are younger brothers of bitcoin. So why not own them. Maybe it is possible that one or more of them repeat the success of the Bitcoin.

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January 11, 2014, 11:30:58 PM
#31
Ripple is designed to handle exactly these needs Smiley

Somebody will come along with a universal payment system that lets you pay in any crypto you like and the seller just receives cash in their account.

https://ripple.com/payment-network/#cross-currency-payments

Somebody (maybe cryptsy) will add the ability to purchase any crypto directly for cash.

https://ripple.com/blog/ripple-now-multi-lingual-supports-cash-deposits-and-more/ (enters network as fiat, then may converted to cryptos)

Currently I think ripple is overpriced because the supply is being dribbled out.
If you look on coinmarketcap.com the ratio of market cap / volume is ridiculous, even compared to mastercoin and nxt.
The way I read that is the supply is so limited that even though there aren't many people using/investing yet, people are having to pay a lot for each coin because the coins just aren't being released for sale.
I understand this is somewhat by design and the volume is expected to catch up to the market cap but at this rate I could see that taking a couple of years :S

It's hard to say though, I do think ripple is an interesting and unique crypto so maybe it's current price is reasonable just based on speculation of it's future.
I'm not one of those people who dislikes a coin just because it's pre-mined, I really don't care as long as people use the coin and get benefit from it.

I'd definitely like to pick some up in the future, I'm just scared at the moment that the ripple people will be forced to increase supply at some point and that will dilute the price heavily.
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January 11, 2014, 11:27:49 PM
#30
I own Colossuscoin (100% POS) because it has a good community and cheap (worth 675k) and allows me to help build a new foundation. It might work out or may not but it's fun to dive in and build a foundation from the ground up.

I don't have that much Col, about 375 mil of 320 billion coin. When you do the math and convert the coin float into usd, the foundation is worth 675k usd which I think is cheap considering Dogecoin is worth 10 times as much.

Wow.

Would you be kind to give me some Colossus coin ? o great millionaire

thank you very much o great milloinaire

What's your Collosuscoin deposit address?

lol, send me 5million COL coins as proof then  Cheesy

25Dn893Zs462rU3FvHCju6aqi5Req5JpyN

I sent you 50k Col
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January 11, 2014, 11:18:35 PM
#29
I own Colossuscoin (100% POS) because it has a good community and cheap (worth 675k) and allows me to help build a new foundation. It might work out or may not but it's fun to dive in and build a foundation from the ground up.

I don't have that much Col, about 375 mil of 320 billion coin. When you do the math and convert the coin float into usd, the foundation is worth 675k usd which I think is cheap considering Dogecoin is worth 10 times as much.

Wow.

Would you be kind to give me some Colossus coin ? o great millionaire

thank you very much o great milloinaire

What's your Collosuscoin deposit address?

lol, send me 5million COL coins as proof then  Cheesy

25Dn893Zs462rU3FvHCju6aqi5Req5JpyN
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January 11, 2014, 11:11:37 PM
#28
have some Bitcoin and XRP.
Bitcoin - the 1st coin and have good future.  
XRP-Have a good trading system that supported by ripple labs.
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