What kind of satisfaction could come from having hundreds of trillions of non-tangible humans "running" at once? It'd be a waste to even try doing anything once that's accomplished. All data they create would be analyzed automatically to figure out which conditions cause what. The only job/hobby left would be tweaking variables, creating pre-made content, watching people suffer, and upgrading hardware. .... Okay, being God would be pretty cool... Maybe a creation myth where everyone comes from the piss oceans, and therefor everyone must live on the coastlines to piss into the piss oceans so life can continue, and if people stop pissing in the oceans, increase birth defect chances until people die out or start pissing in the oceans again.
.... Okay, that'd be really damn cool. Take a Paradox Interactive map and have it made up of "real" humans guided by different gods (actual humans) who speak to the countries' leaders like was done with Dubya. If agnosticism or atheism take hold, just send a few hurricanes or HIV to wipe out the heathens. Oh, I could totally get into that role! Where do I sign up?
Oh, but then some White Knight will give the fake humans bodies in the real world and they'll kill us all, and we probably still wouldn't know how a god-damned bicycle works.
Topic: Do you think humans will eventually evolve into robots? (Read 3004 times)
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They understand the basics, yes, but there are many things they cannot explain yet. They can't explain the double slit theory, quantum entanglement, what exactly a string is, etc. I've even heard a scientist say in an interview "no one really understands it."
It's always cute when the ignorant defend their statements.Quantum mechanics is, simply put, a list of postulates and the set of mathematics that plays by those rules.
Your idea is an interesting one. If I want to get all philosophical and what not; Even if you could download your entire body particle by particle into a computer and run a simulation it would still just be a simulation. Your conscious and its "conscious" are then separate entities. (never mind that there are physical limitations on even quantum computing that make computers able to do such a thing physically unreasonable) As soon as you hit run.exe and it "comes to life" your experiences and its experiences become separate and, therefore, it is not an extension of you, it is a clone of you that will in time become entirely different from you.
Now, on a positive note. If we could create a computer which could not only store conscious knowledge but also replicate biological organisms...then you'd have your intergalactic procreation.
It is infinity. Infinite dimensions everywhere. All that could ever be imagined is constantly happening right where you are.
No. Humans aren't smart enough to even begin to make such a robot.
so what if we just started out a bit more simpler, with putting on a robot like helmet and making robot like movements ?...or just buy an inflatable sex doll.
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They understand the basics, yes, but there are many things they cannot explain yet. They can't explain the double slit theory, quantum entanglement, what exactly a string is, etc. I've even heard a scientist say in an interview "no one really understands it."
It's always cute when the ignorant defend their statements.Quantum mechanics is, simply put, a list of postulates and the set of mathematics that plays by those rules.
Your idea is an interesting one. If I want to get all philosophical and what not; Even if you could download your entire body particle by particle into a computer and run a simulation it would still just be a simulation. Your conscious and its "conscious" are then separate entities. (never mind that there are physical limitations on even quantum computing that make computers able to do such a thing physically unreasonable) As soon as you hit run.exe and it "comes to life" your experiences and its experiences become separate and, therefore, it is not an extension of you, it is a clone of you that will in time become entirely different from you.
Now, on a positive note. If we could create a computer which could not only store conscious knowledge but also replicate biological organisms...then you'd have your intergalactic procreation.
Double slit isn't a theory, it's an experiment. An experiment explained by treating particles as wave packets instead of point masses or waves.
You're barking up the wrong tree. Entanglement and the double slit experiment are phenomena that were predicted by the mathematics. The fact that they are real an observable only gives merit to QM, not the other way around. If you want to discredit QM or otherwise say "we dont know it all" you would use examples like the lack of a quantum explanation for gravity. However, that would be unfair because proofing why things have mass took a project as big as the LHC. Proofing the explanation for things with mass being attracted to other things with mass will take much more time, money, and even larger instruments.
I'm not saying QM is perfect, I'm saying you're ignorant. The uncertainty principle is very real, insurmountable, and tells us it is impossible to perfectly model an existing system concurrently.
Just like we will never disprove F=ma...
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They understand the basics, yes, but there are many things they cannot explain yet. They can't explain the double slit theory, quantum entanglement, what exactly a string is, etc. I've even heard a scientist say in an interview "no one really understands it."
It's always cute when the ignorant defend their statements.Quantum mechanics is, simply put, a list of postulates and the set of mathematics that plays by those rules.
Your idea is an interesting one. If I want to get all philosophical and what not; Even if you could download your entire body particle by particle into a computer and run a simulation it would still just be a simulation. Your conscious and its "conscious" are then separate entities. (never mind that there are physical limitations on even quantum computing that make computers able to do such a thing physically unreasonable) As soon as you hit run.exe and it "comes to life" your experiences and its experiences become separate and, therefore, it is not an extension of you, it is a clone of you that will in time become entirely different from you.
Now, on a positive note. If we could create a computer which could not only store conscious knowledge but also replicate biological organisms...then you'd have your intergalactic procreation.
double slit experiment is as understood in the same way that anything that follows F=ma is. You quite literally will learn about it, and go through it in detail, in either the first or second day of basically any intro QM course.
I know what you are getting at. You are just using the word "understand" in some meaningless abstract way that doesn't correspond to what the word means in practice by scientists. Understand just means, really, that you have a mathematical structure that is one-to-one with measurable physical phenomenon, and there is absolute no mathematical structure, not F=ma, not relativity, not string theory, that is anywhere near as good as showing that its structure is really truly one-to-one with measurable physical phenomenon as QM is.
if you don't understand those mathematical concepts then you don't understand entanglement. but once you do, then you know everything there is to know about it.
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They understand the basics, yes, but there are many things they cannot explain yet. They can't explain the double slit theory, quantum entanglement, what exactly a string is, etc. I've even heard a scientist say in an interview "no one really understands it."
It's always cute when the ignorant defend their statements.Quantum mechanics is, simply put, a list of postulates and the set of mathematics that plays by those rules.
Your idea is an interesting one. If I want to get all philosophical and what not; Even if you could download your entire body particle by particle into a computer and run a simulation it would still just be a simulation. Your conscious and its "conscious" are then separate entities. (never mind that there are physical limitations on even quantum computing that make computers able to do such a thing physically unreasonable) As soon as you hit run.exe and it "comes to life" your experiences and its experiences become separate and, therefore, it is not an extension of you, it is a clone of you that will in time become entirely different from you.
Now, on a positive note. If we could create a computer which could not only store conscious knowledge but also replicate biological organisms...then you'd have your intergalactic procreation.
double slit experiment is as understood in the same way that anything that follows F=ma is. You quite literally will learn about it, and go through it in detail, in either the first or second day of basically any intro QM course.
I know what you are getting at. You are just using the word "understand" in some meaningless abstract way that doesn't correspond to what the word means in practice by scientists. Understand just means, really, that you have a mathematical structure that is one-to-one with measurable physical phenomenon, and there is absolute no mathematical structure, not F=ma, not relativity, not string theory, that is anywhere near as good as showing that its structure is really truly one-to-one with measurable physical phenomenon as QM is.
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They understand the basics, yes, but there are many things they cannot explain yet. They can't explain the double slit theory, quantum entanglement, what exactly a string is, etc. I've even heard a scientist say in an interview "no one really understands it."
It's always cute when the ignorant defend their statements.Quantum mechanics is, simply put, a list of postulates and the set of mathematics that plays by those rules.
Your idea is an interesting one. If I want to get all philosophical and what not; Even if you could download your entire body particle by particle into a computer and run a simulation it would still just be a simulation. Your conscious and its "conscious" are then separate entities. (never mind that there are physical limitations on even quantum computing that make computers able to do such a thing physically unreasonable) As soon as you hit run.exe and it "comes to life" your experiences and its experiences become separate and, therefore, it is not an extension of you, it is a clone of you that will in time become entirely different from you.
Now, on a positive note. If we could create a computer which could not only store conscious knowledge but also replicate biological organisms...then you'd have your intergalactic procreation.
I know what you are getting at. You are just using the word "understand" in some meaningless abstract way that doesn't correspond to what the word means in practice by scientists. Understand just means, really, that you have a mathematical structure that is one-to-one with measurable physical phenomenon, and there is absolute no mathematical structure, not F=ma, not relativity, not string theory, that is anywhere near as good as showing that its structure is really truly one-to-one with measurable physical phenomenon as QM is.
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They understand the basics, yes, but there are many things they cannot explain yet. They can't explain the double slit theory, quantum entanglement, what exactly a string is, etc. I've even heard a scientist say in an interview "no one really understands it."
It's always cute when the ignorant defend their statements.Quantum mechanics is, simply put, a list of postulates and the set of mathematics that plays by those rules.
Your idea is an interesting one. If I want to get all philosophical and what not; Even if you could download your entire body particle by particle into a computer and run a simulation it would still just be a simulation. Your conscious and its "conscious" are then separate entities. (never mind that there are physical limitations on even quantum computing that make computers able to do such a thing physically unreasonable) As soon as you hit run.exe and it "comes to life" your experiences and its experiences become separate and, therefore, it is not an extension of you, it is a clone of you that will in time become entirely different from you.
Now, on a positive note. If we could create a computer which could not only store conscious knowledge but also replicate biological organisms...then you'd have your intergalactic procreation.
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They understand the basics, yes, but there are many things they cannot explain yet. They can't explain the double slit theory, quantum entanglement, what exactly a string is, etc. I've even heard a scientist say in an interview "no one really understands it."
It's always cute when the ignorant defend their statements.Quantum mechanics is, simply put, a list of postulates and the set of mathematics that plays by those rules.
Your idea is an interesting one. If I want to get all philosophical and what not; Even if you could download your entire body particle by particle into a computer and run a simulation it would still just be a simulation. Your conscious and its "conscious" are then separate entities. (never mind that there are physical limitations on even quantum computing that make computers able to do such a thing physically unreasonable) As soon as you hit run.exe and it "comes to life" your experiences and its experiences become separate and, therefore, it is not an extension of you, it is a clone of you that will in time become entirely different from you.
Now, on a positive note. If we could create a computer which could not only store conscious knowledge but also replicate biological organisms...then you'd have your intergalactic procreation.
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One of the theories I've heard is that our consciousness is rooted in quantum states, so as far as the end of your post goes ("brains that operate on the quantum level"), that might just be ... The brain.
there's zero evidence for this idea. it's a hack idea. Quote
yes and in a short amount of time. read some kurzweil, it's good stuff
just don't listen to anything he has to say about biological brains. he doesn't know what he's talking about on that subject.He must have thought he was at a TED conference.
That was actually a lot more tame than how I remembered it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMq7AkUnc4w
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One of the theories I've heard is that our consciousness is rooted in quantum states, so as far as the end of your post goes ("brains that operate on the quantum level"), that might just be ... The brain.
there's zero evidence for this idea. it's a hack idea. Quote
yes and in a short amount of time. read some kurzweil, it's good stuff
just don't listen to anything he has to say about biological brains. he doesn't know what he's talking about on that subject.He must have thought he was at a TED conference.
That was actually a lot more tame than how I remembered it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMq7AkUnc4w
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One of the theories I've heard is that our consciousness is rooted in quantum states, so as far as the end of your post goes ("brains that operate on the quantum level"), that might just be ... The brain.
there's zero evidence for this idea. it's a hack idea. Quote
yes and in a short amount of time. read some kurzweil, it's good stuff
just don't listen to anything he has to say about biological brains. he doesn't know what he's talking about on that subject.He must have thought he was at a TED conference.
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One of the theories I've heard is that our consciousness is rooted in quantum states, so as far as the end of your post goes ("brains that operate on the quantum level"), that might just be ... The brain.
there's zero evidence for this idea. it's a hack idea. Quote
yes and in a short amount of time. read some kurzweil, it's good stuff
just don't listen to anything he has to say about biological brains. he doesn't know what he's talking about on that subject.He must have thought he was at a TED conference.
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One of the theories I've heard is that our consciousness is rooted in quantum states, so as far as the end of your post goes ("brains that operate on the quantum level"), that might just be ... The brain.
there's zero evidence for this idea. it's a hack idea. Quote
yes and in a short amount of time. read some kurzweil, it's good stuff
just don't listen to anything he has to say about biological brains. he doesn't know what he's talking about on that subject. back in the 1960's and 70's predictions about where we would be in 20 to 40 years by the turn of the millennium were portrayed in films like 2001 a space odyssey and many others
truth turned out that we made shit slow progress in space and with fuck all money, won't be doing much significant for the future yet
same with robots, don't hold yer breath for much happening in the next 30 or so years up to 2050, it won't be like it currently is in Hollywood films about all the robot shit
truth turned out that we made shit slow progress in space and with fuck all money, won't be doing much significant for the future yet
same with robots, don't hold yer breath for much happening in the next 30 or so years up to 2050, it won't be like it currently is in Hollywood films about all the robot shit
Most of the resources in the last 3-4 decades went into "financial innovation". It turned out most of it is horseshit.
Hopefully, same mistake won't be repeated again and true innovation will come from something that will improve the quality of life and solve existing global issues.
Once they figure out how to fingerprint your consciousness with all your memories onto a hard-drive, they just transfer it to a robot body when you die. Human intelligence has a limit, the smartest scientists in the world can barely understand quantum mechanics. In order for human intelligence to improve, you have to upgrade the hardware (brain). First they use supercomputers to figure things out, then they will start putting computers in our brains (cyborgs), the final step is completely becoming a computer. But what do the robots evolve into after that?
After I watched Avatar I was tripping about this idea hard. I think it is very possible and will happen. I have a hunch the purpose of life(not ours life in general) is to reach a point of immoratlity.
I believe the purpose of our consciousness is to reach a point of "ultimate knowledge" some time in the future. Life ceases to have any meaning without death.
Life is meaningless if it will cease to exists one day.
Life can still exist without consciousness. Can the other way be true?
I believe you are mistaken with the premise that life creates consciousness. Consciousness creates life.
I think 'robot' is the wrong term ..
Bionic or bio-hybrid might be closer to it ..
We're seeing it now what with artificial hips and knees etc ..
Organ and limb replacements will increase over time ..
The uber wealthy will do anything to keep their brains alive ..
Human brain with the normal blood/plasma in an entirely artificial body ..
Transhumanism here we come ..
Triff .. who won't make it to the 'singularity' .. too old ..
Bionic or bio-hybrid might be closer to it ..
We're seeing it now what with artificial hips and knees etc ..
Organ and limb replacements will increase over time ..
The uber wealthy will do anything to keep their brains alive ..
Human brain with the normal blood/plasma in an entirely artificial body ..
Transhumanism here we come ..
Triff .. who won't make it to the 'singularity' .. too old ..
You are right about artificial tools inside the human body.
Living forever may not be a pleasure.
Some of humans will eventually evolve into god-like creatures. The rest of them will kill each other or fall into another remake of the Middle Ages. 
I think 'robot' is the wrong term ..
Bionic or bio-hybrid might be closer to it ..
We're seeing it now what with artificial hips and knees etc ..
Organ and limb replacements will increase over time ..
The uber wealthy will do anything to keep their brains alive ..
Human brain with the normal blood/plasma in an entirely artificial body ..
Transhumanism here we come ..
Triff .. who won't make it to the 'singularity' .. too old ..
Bionic or bio-hybrid might be closer to it ..
We're seeing it now what with artificial hips and knees etc ..
Organ and limb replacements will increase over time ..
The uber wealthy will do anything to keep their brains alive ..
Human brain with the normal blood/plasma in an entirely artificial body ..
Transhumanism here we come ..
Triff .. who won't make it to the 'singularity' .. too old ..
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