Do you think that those who own and run casinos are criminals or conmen?

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Quote from: pearlmen on September 22, 2017, 02:14:32 AM

In my opinion, they are neither both. They are simply businessmen who is trying to be smart by maximising their returns and they are making it good for themselves. Couple with the reason that most of the the allegations against them are merely hear say since it cannot be verified with evidence and those that have been casted are the ones that can be said to be criminals and conmen. So far you still cover up, you are a businessman.

Running a casino or owning a gambling site is not just simple businesses. If gambling does not have a very good reputation that does not imply that the owners are also bad people. However, there are some families who are mobsters and they own casinos but so is the case with other businesses. A criminal if has a lot of money, may have restaurant, mall or something else.

almost most casino owners must have other businesses out there
just to mask they hide their real business
because having a casino is the biggest source of income that I know
and of course the cost they spend to build a casino to be famous is not a bit.
and which is ultimately commensurate with the income they earn from casinos

Honestly, many businessmen do have more than one business but at the end they are dealing in only one type, which bring them success and prosperity. No doubt, people who are involved in wrong activities try to hide their actions and true identities while diversity gives huge profits also. You never know, whether a business is owned by a devil or an angel.

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It all depends on you to see from which side, if you are a gambler. of course will say they are not criminals but if you are not a gambler then you will say they are criminals or conmen.

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Some of them yes,thay are opening casinos just to steal money,Even reputable casinos,bookies like Ladybroker has been found guilty of money launderin.Give them scan of my id,do i know for what purpose it can be used

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Quote from: Kevin77 on September 22, 2017, 11:46:25 PM

Quote from: pearlmen on September 22, 2017, 02:14:32 AM

In my opinion, they are neither both. They are simply businessmen who is trying to be smart by maximising their returns and they are making it good for themselves. Couple with the reason that most of the the allegations against them are merely hear say since it cannot be verified with evidence and those that have been casted are the ones that can be said to be criminals and conmen. So far you still cover up, you are a businessman.

Running a casino or owning a gambling site is not just simple businesses. If gambling does not have a very good reputation that does not imply that the owners are also bad people. However, there are some families who are mobsters and they own casinos but so is the case with other businesses. A criminal if has a lot of money, may have restaurant, mall or something else.

get you point from there mate even criminals also do have well established business franchise they used that to cover their bad deeds, and i think
its not right to condemn casino owners as a criminal right away as long as they are paying and they running their business in the correct manner
they can still consider as businessman.

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I am curious about the casinos owner. they have so much to offer. I think they are more fair than any political party.

Of course they aren't unless they own a scam site, or they don't pay users that won. If they own legit gambling site, it's fine in my opinion, as they are just trying to earn-this is totally fine.

Mobsters do have ties with land based casinos. I can give some examples also. Like Aladdin casino, Circus Casino, Desert Inn Casino, Dunes Casino, Riviera Casino and The Sands Casino are some in Las Vegas that are owned by gangsters and mobsters. Obviously, not all of them but some are.

Yes, the reasons there are a few reasons why some casinos might be tied with organized crime, first they can be used for money laundering as it is very easy to create fake winnings which can be used for masking masking illegal incomes. This is one of the reasons why casinos are regulated. The second reason is that some gamblers fall in debts and when banks stop giving them loans, they might seek private loans from mafia. The third reason is that in countries where gambling is outlawed it is run or protected by organized crime, just like other outlawed activities like drug selling or prostitution.

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Quote from: Kevin77 on September 22, 2017, 11:46:25 PM

Quote from: pearlmen on September 22, 2017, 02:14:32 AM

In my opinion, they are neither both. They are simply businessmen who is trying to be smart by maximising their returns and they are making it good for themselves. Couple with the reason that most of the the allegations against them are merely hear say since it cannot be verified with evidence and those that have been casted are the ones that can be said to be criminals and conmen. So far you still cover up, you are a businessman.

Running a casino or owning a gambling site is not just simple businesses. If gambling does not have a very good reputation that does not imply that the owners are also bad people. However, there are some families who are mobsters and they own casinos but so is the case with other businesses. A criminal if has a lot of money, may have restaurant, mall or something else.

almost most casino owners must have other businesses out there
just to mask they hide their real business
because having a casino is the biggest source of income that I know
and of course the cost they spend to build a casino to be famous is not a bit.
and which is ultimately commensurate with the income they earn from casinos

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Quote from: pearlmen on September 22, 2017, 02:14:32 AM

In my opinion, they are neither both. They are simply businessmen who is trying to be smart by maximising their returns and they are making it good for themselves. Couple with the reason that most of the the allegations against them are merely hear say since it cannot be verified with evidence and those that have been casted are the ones that can be said to be criminals and conmen. So far you still cover up, you are a businessman.

Running a casino or owning a gambling site is not just simple businesses. If gambling does not have a very good reputation that does not imply that the owners are also bad people. However, there are some families who are mobsters and they own casinos but so is the case with other businesses. A criminal if has a lot of money, may have restaurant, mall or something else.

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As long as their casino are legit and not rigged at all, no way they could be branded as criminals. Before you start gambling on their casinos, you accept their terms, you know about all the risks. The casinos clearly reveals their house edge, that is their advantage. They have nothing hidden - and you deiced to gamble there even after knowing everything. So the casinos are not doing anything illegal to brand them as criminals.

That's the point never to forget to read the terms and conditions as long as theres no misleading information that favored for them and as long as you agree with that they are sitting as legit so better to look for those houses who provided clear information about this.

One thing I'm curious about on license of Gambling casino. How to check if their license was legit. I want to know what is the right site that holds the database for all the license of a trusted casino. It is easy to present a fake license because it was very hard to verify. Normal gamblers won't mind checking it once they saw the license. Grin

Even myself dont really bother to look out for those licensed of a certain gambling site and as you said verifying them would really be hard and this is why most people dont really care at all as long they do pay when they win in the site.It is already a strong proof that the site is legit but risk of scam anytime soon cant really be avoided.

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In my opinion, they are neither both. They are simply businessmen who is trying to be smart by maximising their returns and they are making it good for themselves. Couple with the reason that most of the the allegations against them are merely hear say since it cannot be verified with evidence and those that have been casted are the ones that can be said to be criminals and conmen. So far you still cover up, you are a businessman.

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Quote from: Dontme on September 10, 2017, 09:25:36 AM

Quote from: Addisonboy on September 04, 2017, 04:26:14 AM

I am curious about the casinos owner. they have so much to offer. I think they are more fair than any political party.

In business, their are several are so wise when it comes ro their businesses they don't want to lose to their competitors. They don't like competitors, they hate it so much because their is possibilities that their business will be broke or ruined because of their competitor business. So, in matter of Casino Owners I believe that they are criminals too why? Their is possibilities that they kill people to run their Casino well. Those politicals sometimes are together with them. Because owners of Casinos is a big peoples also.

By this definition, not only casino owners but many other businessmen are criminals. It is not only the politicians or the casino runners who try to protect their capital from demolishing, but all the rich people are rich because they have trampled others who they thought were an obstacle in their ways.

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Quote from: bitgolden on September 13, 2017, 04:16:28 AM

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In my opinion, they are not. It is with the players if they agree to the terms and conditions of the casino. That ToC includes agreeing to the house edge of the casino.
If you agreed to that and the casino does not employ any cheats then that will be a binding contract between the two. If you lose then that is on you and it is not
anyone's fault and no one is criminally liable.

We are not discussing that whether the terms or conditions make you a criminal or not. How can terms make anyone criminal? OP is just asking that are casinos RUN BY or OWN BY mobsters. Definitely, the casinos of Las Vegas are property of great mafias and gangster, if not all then most of them.

Exactly the terms and conditions are quite same throughout the country casinos. You are right, most of the casinos are run by gangsters, and even a whole gang administrator a group of casinos.

So, yes if the question is about the casino owners, then maximum of them are criminals.

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Quote from: lorylore on September 13, 2017, 06:18:58 AM

Casino owners are not crimimnals or conmen. That is why some countries approved and allows these to operate. However, on the other hand, casino really test the strength of the willpower of the individual. If you are unable to control yourself, you will end up lose everything.

If we talk about this in general, then absolutely running a casino is a simple business like others and people just play different games in there. However, most of the people do not consider gambling as something worthy of a profession and unfortunately; this world has criminals as its customer. LA has some casinos that are owned by mafia but crime is involved everywhere. It is just not exposed in other types of business.

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Quote from: buyinbtc on September 13, 2017, 11:50:04 PM

Quote from: Addisonboy on September 04, 2017, 04:26:14 AM

I am curious about the casinos owner. they have so much to offer. I think they are more fair than any political party.

Of course they aren't unless they own a scam site, or they don't pay users that won. If they own legit gambling site, it's fine in my opinion, as they are just trying to earn-this is totally fine.

Mobsters do have ties with land based casinos. I can give some examples also. Like Aladdin casino, Circus Casino, Desert Inn Casino, Dunes Casino, Riviera Casino and The Sands Casino are some in Las Vegas that are owned by gangsters and mobsters. Obviously, not all of them but some are.

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There may be some, but indon't think majority of them are. These are businessmen who knows how to take advantage of people's weaknessnfor gambling. It's mot their fault that people lose money over gambling. Iyself would like to be own a casino since its a very good source of income

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Quote from: michaelch on September 16, 2017, 09:47:35 PM

Quote from: Addisonboy on September 04, 2017, 04:26:14 AM

Do you think that those who own and run casinos are criminals or conmen?

Not really. Most of them are just businessmen in a very profitable industry. The unfortunate thing is that some people can't control themselves and lose more than their fair share in the casino

Yes some of them are already rich people trying to expand their business structures. Criminals can't create a business since they are already wanted or have a record in the government. These criminals can only do underground business in the black market to hide their true identity.

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Quote from: Addisonboy on September 04, 2017, 04:26:14 AM

Do you think that those who own and run casinos are criminals or conmen?

Not really. Most of them are just businessmen in a very profitable industry. The unfortunate thing is that some people can't control themselves and lose more than their fair share in the casino

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It is mostly them to run casinos you need lot of money , you need to have so many licenses and many other verification it's not easy to start a physical casino plus you need pay huge amount of taxes and most people who come to gamble ate criminals and if you are a normal person they will easily take advantage of you

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Quote from: Addisonboy on September 04, 2017, 04:26:14 AM

I am curious about the casinos owner. they have so much to offer. I think they are more fair than any political party.

Of course they aren't unless they own a scam site, or they don't pay users that won. If they own legit gambling site, it's fine in my opinion, as they are just trying to earn-this is totally fine.

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There is no eligibility to run a casino. One need money to run it he may or may not be a criminal. I can't relate casinos and criminal. If you think they are committing crime by attracting people towards their casinos and people getting addicted to it and ending up loosing their money then I will support your statement a bit.

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Quote from: Caladonian on September 13, 2017, 07:49:56 PM

Quote from: adzino on September 13, 2017, 04:27:55 PM

As long as their casino are legit and not rigged at all, no way they could be branded as criminals. Before you start gambling on their casinos, you accept their terms, you know about all the risks. The casinos clearly reveals their house edge, that is their advantage. They have nothing hidden - and you deiced to gamble there even after knowing everything. So the casinos are not doing anything illegal to brand them as criminals.

That's the point never to forget to read the terms and conditions as long as theres no misleading information that favored for them and as long as you agree with that they are sitting as legit so better to look for those houses who provided clear information about this.

One thing I'm curious about on license of Gambling casino. How to check if their license was legit. I want to know what is the right site that holds the database for all the license of a trusted casino. It is easy to present a fake license because it was very hard to verify. Normal gamblers won't mind checking it once they saw the license. Grin

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