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Quote from: Kprawn on May 26, 2018, 11:09:32 AM

We have seen reports lately that the US Justice Department has opened a criminal probe into alleged price manipulation of

Bitcoin and other digital currencies. We have seen for months now that the Bitcoin price cannot get momentum and as soon

as there are positive signs that it is recovering, then it drops down again. In many of these instances there are no negative

news that would have triggered that downward spiral. There are also no Alt coins with significant growth during these times,

for us to say that these Alt coins are the trigger behind this. The only logical conclusion for this is that someone or a group of

people are "killing" the correction phase of the Bitcoin price. Angry

Do you think there are some sinister agenda behind this or is this just Bitcoin whales doing their normal thing?

I find it unlikely that we are going through some kind of manipulation, I mean it can happen but there is no need for it, any investor that had any genuine interest in investing in bitcoin is not going to invest after what happened at the beginning of the year and the huge crash that we saw so the price of bitcoin cannot grow since there is not any influx of new money entering in this market.

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Quote from: Kprawn on May 26, 2018, 11:09:32 AM

We have seen reports lately that the US Justice Department has opened a criminal probe into alleged price manipulation of

Bitcoin and other digital currencies. We have seen for months now that the Bitcoin price cannot get momentum and as soon

as there are positive signs that it is recovering, then it drops down again. In many of these instances there are no negative

news that would have triggered that downward spiral. There are also no Alt coins with significant growth during these times,

for us to say that these Alt coins are the trigger behind this. The only logical conclusion for this is that someone or a group of

people are "killing" the correction phase of the Bitcoin price. Angry

Do you think there are some sinister agenda behind this or is this just Bitcoin whales doing their normal thing?

I am buying this arguments as it's obviously happening inside market,look at the prices we all see how they manipulate the prices to their benefits,whales are making this as their bread and butter having no care for others instead only tp favor them,lets hope that the us investigation may bring this to justice

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Quote from: drm on July 05, 2018, 10:01:21 AM

Quote from: brotherwood12 on June 28, 2018, 12:55:31 AM

on the theory , the market price manipulation is possible to do , but in the fact so hard to make it happens , to manipulate the price (especially bitcoin price )you need large people with huge capital , and make them has one purpose .

Control the mainstream media, fud, influence the price, profit?

Mainstream media really creates negative impact in cryptoworld especially if its negative news and the result is also negative to cryptocurrency. There is no Institutional investment yet, but manipulation is really possible for those big people that really wants to make bigger profit.

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I do not think we have seen Institutional investors enter the market yet. Institutional Investor requirements have been reached yet and many have strict requirements before they enter. The market manipulation is primarily groups of individuals that take advantage of low liquidity in may crypto markets.

https://forexmarketslive.com/will-institutional-investors-save-cryptocurrencies/

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Many people try to manipulate crypto by the market. the market is only beginning to form, but many institutional investors and governments have already realized the potential of crypto and want to enter the market on their own terms.

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Quote from: drm on July 05, 2018, 10:01:21 AM

Quote from: brotherwood12 on June 28, 2018, 12:55:31 AM

on the theory , the market price manipulation is possible to do , but in the fact so hard to make it happens , to manipulate the price (especially bitcoin price )you need large people with huge capital , and make them has one purpose .

Control the mainstream media, fud, influence the price, profit?

Some crypto holders they called that a "whale" just like a whale they manipulating the price of crypto and bitcoin as well. They have enough fund to take control of the mainstream media by continuing spreading FUD news that makes influence the market price. It has a big effect on the market cap price when FUD continue spreading and make it worst when weak hand holders decide their holding bitcoin to sell earlier that make whales happy.

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Quote from: brotherwood12 on June 28, 2018, 12:55:31 AM

on the theory , the market price manipulation is possible to do , but in the fact so hard to make it happens , to manipulate the price (especially bitcoin price )you need large people with huge capital , and make them has one purpose .

Control the mainstream media, fud, influence the price, profit?

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In the cryptocurrency market, many financial institutions generally use media public opinion to publish false (or little-known) information to cause BTC to rise or fall, and to achieve the purpose of manipulating BTC prices!
They have enough money to buy cryptocurrencies in large quantities and manipulate market prices!

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Quote from: EdenHazard on July 04, 2018, 11:59:52 PM

And I believe the bitcoin price movement in 2018 is pure by the users, I mean with a lot of bad news at the beginning of 2018 to make bitcoin prices continue to decline.

I would like to 'safely' point out that the retail influence on the market in 2018 has never been this low.

The decline in the price was mainly caused by old hands cashing out, altcoin whales using BTC/USD pairs to cash out, and the manipulation that we are experiencing.

People quite often forget that altcoin whales cashing out do severely affect Bitcoin's price. Altcoin markets in no shape or form can even remotely handle semi large traders to cash out, so what's the only viable alternative left? It's using Bitcoin's liquidity to cash out, which as we can see has been exhausted already due to old hands dumping a certain part of their coins. In other words, Bitcoin's liquidity is being 'attacked' from plenty of different directions.

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Well, they should open the investigation into large-scale institutional gold and silver price manipulation too!

Anyway, of course the price has been manipulated but I wouldn't connect it with any dark agenda, it is just a pump&dump scheme all the same that I have been seeing for almost 5 years now.

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Yes. I believe there's institutional manipulation of bitcoin price.

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Bitcoin price movement is unseen to be predicted.

I believe there is price manipulation in the bitcoin market, because for the past few months the bitcoin price has only touched the highest price at $9000. It could be that those who do not like bitcoin are willing to buy bitcoins in large quantities and they sell their bitcoins and keep prices down.

And I believe the bitcoin price movement in 2018 is pure by the users, I mean with a lot of bad news at the beginning of 2018 to make bitcoin prices continue to decline. So they will be reluctant to re-invest in the bitcoin market, or wait for the market to recover.

This is what I mean, many possibilities will occur when predicting bitcoin prices so that no one is able to focus on a single problem and just believe that it is the cause.

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Investors and traders should be smart to learn the increase and decrease in the price of crypto. this is because I think the price of crypto is easily manipulated by a group of people who want to buy crypto at a cheap price and will raise the price until everyone buys it back at an expensive price.

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Quote from: bitbunnny on June 28, 2018, 12:21:53 PM

Quote from: nabinkhadka on June 28, 2018, 12:12:53 PM

There was , there is and there will always be institutional manipulation of Bitcoin prices. because bitcoins are in very limited hands. in my opinion Mining pools , exchanges , and big investors are beside bitcoin manipulation.

I agree that the number of Bitcoin holder is limited, we are not taking about large cycle but still I think that the range of manipulation isn't that spread out. People are too much into conspiracy theories and want to beleive that Bitcoin is manipulated more than it actualy could be having in mind the technology that is based on and how the market is functioning.

bitcoiner is only about 1% of the total world population, i think it is a small amount. so manipulation is likely to occur, especially for those who have large capital, so it is easy to drive the price. because we know that price movement is influenced purely from sales volume and purchasing volume

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Quote from: nabinkhadka on June 28, 2018, 12:12:53 PM

There was , there is and there will always be institutional manipulation of Bitcoin prices. because bitcoins are in very limited hands. in my opinion Mining pools , exchanges , and big investors are beside bitcoin manipulation.

I agree that the number of Bitcoin holder is limited, we are not taking about large cycle but still I think that the range of manipulation isn't that spread out. People are too much into conspiracy theories and want to beleive that Bitcoin is manipulated more than it actualy could be having in mind the technology that is based on and how the market is functioning.

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it really hard to say this, but i think. all of that can be manipulation if someone have so much supply and play with the market price, just a whale i think that can manipulation this, but still a risk is to high for them too

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There was , there is and there will always be institutional manipulation of Bitcoin prices. because bitcoins are in very limited hands. in my opinion Mining pools , exchanges , and big investors are beside bitcoin manipulation.

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Quote from: squog on June 25, 2018, 11:52:11 PM

That is the problem with unregulated and decentralized market. It couod be easily manipulated. Then again, i. Think it's more like the sudden increase in investors and a huge back lash from all of it. It's more like a normal market tremd and not like a clock work manipulation. Then again, I'm new to this so take it with a grain of salt.

Fine, it is something we will just have to get used to and most especially an unregulated and decentralized market that is driven more by speculation than real life usage. Until we start getting to see real life usage as a currency with a lot of people using it for transaction globally and seeing the real need for it, this is something that we would keep seeing.

Now, everyone just wants to get rich overnight and that makes it very easy for bigger investors to drive and stir up some emotion in the market by some spike manipulation or downward ones to shake out weak hands, but it is just one of those things.

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on the theory , the market price manipulation is possible to do , but in the fact so hard to make it happens , to manipulate the price (especially bitcoin price )you need large people with huge capital , and make them has one purpose .

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Quote from: saulzaents on June 26, 2018, 04:17:54 PM

bitcoin, with extreme volatility, as everyone knows. we see that the large price fluctuations of the crypto money market with the largest capitalized crypto are now almost regular. this leads to quite a negative market pressure. the first question that needs to be asked as to why this price fluctuation is being investigated is, in fact, whether bitcoin is manipulated in price. we can not know without seeing such an action. So it is not easy to say for sure that bitcoin manipulation is done.

This issue has been tackled a lot of times of whether the price is manipulated or not and now there is already a formal investigation going on. We have yet to see what would be their decision. As or me, I believe there are whales in the market pumping and dumping the market all the time. How can someone explain then those buy and sell order of thousand of bitcoin from time to time. There are times though when it is a group of traders that has the same price order that's why it looks like a single entity that is doing it.

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