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Topic: Do you think this competition is fair? Bitcointalk Community Awards 2021 (Read 1068 times)

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M0THERF@CKING BITCHES

List of unaccounted votes and those who do not participate in the lottery
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As I told - the competition is unfair


ICOPRESS GO THE HELL WITH YOUR DUMB COMPETITIONS
legendary
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Once a man, twice a child!
In all fairness, life itself isn't fair. We should always expect that anything done by humans is mixed with subjectivity. We can't get 100% objective compliance. I quiet agree with what the OP pointed out even though @icopress tried on their path to institute certain criteria for voting like rank level and acquired merit within the voting time. We had similar accusation of nominees influencing voting with merit splashed on voters in the 2020 award too. Now, it's obvious that in the next award no meriting of votes should be among the new set of rules. I also support it to be moved to a section where signature isn't displayed. Make it as less attractive for signature and merit hunters, let's see how it works out. This way, those voting will be doing that purely out of commitment and not to increase post count or hunt for merit.

The only way merit should be allowed would be after the results have been announced.
hero member
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BTC, a coin of today and tomorrow.
I voted and went my way and I remember I recieved some merits for voting.
In my own perception, I thought that the reason for the merit is to encourage PARTICIPATION. But when contestants were the ones giving the merits, it made people to start voting for them. When I looked at the whole thing it made me understand that there are some MERIT SOURCES who do not exhaust their monthly merit allocations, but because of the voting, they were able to exhaust their allocation  Grin it is a good thing that for once they could exhaust their allocation.
The voting should stand because wherever there is an election, there is always a way to influence the voters(that is the politics in elections).
legendary
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You are a troll supporting a shitcoin (scamcoin) from a known scammer!!
LOL

Then you are all trolls supporting pedophilian chipmixer scammers
All you need to know about scammers:




ChipMixer directly enables Scammers, Drug Dealers, CP, Terrorists, Tax Evaders..
I'm not sure if ChipMixer enables Craig Steven Wright an his Scamcoin BSV...
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You are a troll supporting a shitcoin (scamcoin) from a known scammer!!
LOL

Then you are all trolls supporting pedophilian chipmixer scammers

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/voting-2021-bitcointalk-community-awards-5382917
Maybe the first thing you should do is start advocating against ChipMixer!!

What do you think CM does?
They launder money! They protect tax evaders, protect drug dealers, hitmen, you name it, the most immoral profitable thing you can imagine I’m sure chipmixer has protected them..
It’s what they do!!
legendary
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I think it's time to boycott this dishonest contest and starting to deleting your votes

Icopress began a tricky procedure to change the conditions of the competition


changing conditions of competition on the go is a pure cheating

all conditions of the competition must be prescribed in advance and strictly followed
Bullshit!
If there's significant need to change the rules because overally, the voting process was exploited, changing the rules is not only possible, it is recommended. 
In that case, giving out Merit by some of the nominees was an incentive for Merit grabbers to nominate exactly those members giving out Merit if you nominate them since it's visible who is distributing Merit if you nominate them. That's a clear abuse because we would have another result if no Merits were given.
It's totally normal to consider changing the rules and ask the community.

However:

The community decides and not a BSV troll because it's a community award competition, not a BSV troll competition!


This is not a competition - this is a circus
You are a troll supporting a shitcoin (scamcoin) from a known scammer!!
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I think it's time to boycott this dishonest contest and starting to deleting your votes

Icopress began a tricky procedure to change the conditions of the competition


changing conditions of competition on the go is a pure cheating

all conditions of the competition must be prescribed in advance and strictly followed


This is not a competition - this is a circus
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
Theymos. I propose to freeze the competition
See:
the forum's mission to be as free as possible.
hero member
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not your keys, not your coins!
It's a private, unofficial thing that icopress is doing; he's entitled to doing it however he wishes.
THIS IS NOT FAIR! Why honest people should be suffering?
Are you suffering? Do you have something to eat and drink? If you are honestly starving, send me an address and I will pay for a burger and a drink.

These private sponsors should organise these private competitons in private telegram channels
Why? This forum has a place for everyone that abides to the (very loose) rules and icopress is doing so.

Theymos why such shady private competitions are endorsed here?
Nothing is endorsed by theymos or the forum. Everything's community organized and managed voluntarily. If you don't like it, choose another forum / other boards / other threads...
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It's a private, unofficial thing that icopress is doing; he's entitled to doing it however he wishes.
THIS IS NOT FAIR! Why honest people should be suffering?

These private sponsors should organise these private competitons in private telegram channels

WHY IS IT SO UNFAIR

Theymos why such shady private competitions are endorsed here?
hero member
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not your keys, not your coins!
Theymos. I propose to freeze the competition until the end of conflict in Ukraine
Icopress is very angry now and can't think impartially


Or reassign the contest organizer. I think that LoyceV will be fairer than icopress
LOL dude chill your nuggets. It's a private, unofficial thing that icopress is doing; he's entitled to doing it however he wishes. At most the sponsors could retire if they don't like his approach, but it's not theymos or anyone else's task to decide about how he runs his fun little contest.
If you wish to do your own contest, you can, it's a free forum!
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As i say rather this competition is not fair

icopress, using his priveleges - unfairly counting the winners

I see political implications in this. Before 23 february - we saw one behavior of icopress. After 24 february - we see another behavior of icopress

icopress - is a very subjective that to be as organizer of such contest.

Stupid icopress completeley goes to the crazy. He thinks that every russian supports mr. P..tin

I changed my mind about voting for you because you are a braggart...
No its because you hates mr. P..tin. P..tin has nothing to do with that bitcointalk forum member

icopress threatens forum consensus. Due to icopress behaviour - all russian users can swith to altcointalks. This may negatively affect the attendance of the forum.

Theymos. I propose to freeze the competition until the end of conflict in Ukraine
Icopress is very angry now and can't think impartially


Or reassign the contest organizer. I think that LoyceV will be fairer than icopress
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I'm not going to get into the conspiracy theories here, as I don't think they have much merit. Although, I think your initial point about merit being a contributing factor to certain users voting, is probably a decent enough assumption to make. Perhaps in future Community Awards, merit could be turned off on the thread.

Although, it's not like the Community Awards is something that's truly meaningful, I see it as a community organised event to give recognition to those that have contributed somewhat positively to the forum. Nothing more than that really. So, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter all that much. Though, as I said the only way you'd combat this is by not allowing merit to be sent in the thread, which I doubt theymos will do, because ultimately it's a drop in the ocean. Adding a prize to the equation likely has motivated certain users to merit, but that would be hard to prove.
Thank you Welsh you are the fairest staff member on the forum. I think that merit distribution should be disabled immediately in this topic. The winner must come to victory in a fair way

I want to develop this forum and make it better. I want to remove all corruption here. Please forgive for my behavior in past I was unexperienced. This forum can still be saved. Let's make bitcointalk great again!

Theymos please disable merit distribution here. For the justice, not for me. I just want to get better and do a lot of useful things for the forum

Let's save this forum for the future generations together.


staff
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I'm not going to get into the conspiracy theories here, as I don't think they have much merit. Although, I think your initial point about merit being a contributing factor to certain users voting, is probably a decent enough assumption to make. Perhaps in future Community Awards, merit could be turned off on the thread.

Although, it's not like the Community Awards is something that's truly meaningful, I see it as a community organised event to give recognition to those that have contributed somewhat positively to the forum. Nothing more than that really. So, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter all that much. Though, as I said the only way you'd combat this is by not allowing merit to be sent in the thread, which I doubt theymos will do, because ultimately it's a drop in the ocean. Adding a prize to the equation likely has motivated certain users to merit, but that would be hard to prove.
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All people who received merit from him in this contest should be redtagged & distusted.
Why do you need someone else to do your dirty work?
Since when struggle for justice is a dirty work? Yo're amazing

All winners will share the prize pool of 50 mBTC
Ratimov wrote differently. Probably all the prizes have long been divided behind the scenes among DT elite. All winners probably have already been chosen in advance, it remains for them to adjust the right amount of votes from thier farms to the credibility only

https://archive.is/sxIUM
Translated:
- Cryptios will give each winner in the nomination an exclusive collectible item.
- Spotsbet.io will share the prize fund in the amount 0.05, BTC between the winners, as well as among those who voted freebets will be played. Moreover, this year the main prize will be a VIP tour for two, for an Arsenal or Southampton match, which includes a corporate box, accommodation and air tickets.
- Chipmixer provided an additional prize fund in the amount of 0.07 BTC, so each winner will receive a voucher for 0.005 BTC , and among those voting randomly, 10 vouchers will be drawn for 0.002 BTC each.
- Best_Change provided an additional prize fund in the amount of0.005 BTC to each winner
legendary
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That's not how the prize will be distributed:
All winners will share the prize pool of 50 mBTC

All people who received merit from him in this contest should be redtagged & distusted.
Why do you need someone else to do your dirty work?
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I know in advance that Ratimov will win in several categories.
So that's what this is really about?
it's too late to shout about honesty of this forum

You have already fight off desire of honest people from participating in this circus.

Prepare your money for Ratimov. It's clear in advance that he will win by using his merit-sourcer's authorities

Coming soon, Ratimov will win all these moneys using his merit-sourcer's authorities
0.005 BTC from Chipmixer + 0.005 BTC from Bestchange + 0.05 BTC from sportsbet



All people who received merit from him in this contest should be redtagged & distusted. Ratimov have created an incentive to vote for him which is unfair game. Ratimov is a person interested in winning & has merit-sourcer's authorities which is using in unfair purposes. It defies all common sense. Oh my god, what a world, what world...

Why are you being so serious? It's nothing but having some fun competition. I didn’t get what make you create this thread TBH. For me, the competition is something people would enjoy, look for the winner & forget after few days. It's very possible to manipulate. Don't take it too seriously.
Why so serious? Why so serious? Big money is at stake. And greedy Ratimov wants to steal all of it by using his merit-sourcer's authorities manupulating by voters.

Ordinary folk will soon turn their backs on you and leave this thoroughly rotten forum. Honest people are not going to look at it calmly. This forum will soon be boycotted by the entire crypto community
legendary
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I know in advance that Ratimov will win in several categories.
So that's what this is really about?
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So technically this whole site is a lie
No, some members are gorgeous. Franky1 for example speaking many right things

Loyce isn’t even human. First ever self aware AI. Thought that was common knowledge tbh.
He has no emotions because he doesnt want to spoil his trust. His tactics to remain neutral

Craig Wright said he was never actually active on bitcointalk
Offcourse CSW was never actually active on this hostile to he forum. That's what promoters are for.

3. How did you get on the forum?
BSV Promoter
legendary
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I think Loyce said it very well.  What else can be said really at this point?
Loyce is not Thermos. I need official opinion of Thermos of this matter

I repeat
Can anybody tell me why merit-sourcers using its authorities in personal goals, in winning in that competition for example?

Well of course they aren’t Theymos. Loyce isn’t even human. First ever self aware AI. Thought that was common knowledge tbh.

Honestly I’m surprised you’re still active here after Satoshi / Craig Wright said he was never actually active on bitcointalk. So technically this whole site is a lie and of course not Satosh’s true vision.
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That competition is a performance designed for the naive fools.

I know in advance that Ratimov will win in several categories. A secret bitcointalk apointee.
Ordinary people never win these false contests

The crowd eats this up
legendary
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I need official opinion of Thermos of this matter
Can anybody tell me why merit-sourcers using its authorities in personal goals, in winning in that competition for example?
You have a better chance to get his attention if you send him a PM.

Have you seen this post?
Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly. It's conceivable that someday you and I will end up disagreeing too much about this stuff and I'll remove your source status, but it's really not a big deal.
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I think Loyce said it very well.  What else can be said really at this point?
Loyce is not Thermos. I need official opinion of Thermos of this matter

I repeat
Can anybody tell me why merit-sourcers using its authorities in personal goals, in winning in that competition for example?
legendary
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I think Loyce said it very well.  What else can be said really at this point?  (This thread makes me miss Tman). 
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Can anybody tell me why merit-sourcers using its authorities in personal goals, in winning in that competition for example?

hero member
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Not Your Keys, Not Your Bitcoin
Do you think this competition is fair?
Bitcointalk Community Awards 2021

Honestly looking on these waking-up noname users voting for its high-ranked alts I doubt in fairness of this contest

This competition takes place with numerous violations of common sense

Concerned people actively donates the merits for those who vote in their favor

An election must be free and fair and I'm confident that it's going as it suppose to be, The entire mods are watching and if they are not satisfied, they would have alarmed the voting system.
The rule says a Voter must have earned 50 merits or be a Full member and believe after the whole voting, there will begin a transparent counting and full audit. Concerning participants meriting voters, I think they are just appreciating their voters for recognizing their efforts in the forum.

Permit me to ask you, Do you go out to vote during presidential elections? There is something called Influential voting behavior, it happens between peer groups, family, and friends, that's exactly what you noticed and makes you feel uncomfortable.

For example,
In the Scambuster nomination, I chose Ratimov because I am familiar with his thread until I notice everyone included lovesmayfamilis and you know what, They both deserve that nomination and I have to pick both of them in that category.
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it is more of a "thank you".
Sometime people giving away merit because they want to thank those voters for voting him and to be honest it's not really a big problem as they're only give 1-2 merits. You may want to check this thread 10th anniversary art contest
So why one voters receives these "thank-you", while other voters wasnt reciving that  "thank-you"?

Where is a fairness?

All "thank-you" goes to the farmers, while other deserving voters wasnt gets these "thank-you"

Do these merit-sourcers have some kind of bug in receiving notifications from other non-farm voters? Or does the system notifies them about farmers votes only?
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Why are you being so serious? It's nothing but having some fun competition. I didn’t get what make you create this thread TBH. For me, the competition is something people would enjoy, look for the winner & forget after few days. It's very possible to manipulate. Don't take it too seriously.
Are you kidding? These unfair contests are originating all corruption on the forum.
If people like you don't give a damn about it, then others are not indifferent to the future of the forum.
All backstage scammers should be kicked out of here which are manipulating with system.
hero member
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🇺🇦 Glory to Ukraine!
Why are these merit-sourcers squandering merits for bribing loyal voters, and not for useful posts for novice newbies on the forum who need real support?
I do agree that its a shitty way to spend your merit, but I don't think they are bribing, it is more of a "thank you".

I agree that sharing merits to voters is not the best way to use the merit system, which should instead be used to improve the quality of this forum. Particularly to share merits to members who do not even have the right to vote based on the terms of the competition, for example to Members and Jr. Members who have less than 50 merits. I've noticed that Mitchell and mole0815 do that (and maybe others).
hero member
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Why are you being so serious? It's nothing but having some fun competition. I didn’t get what make you create this thread TBH. For me, the competition is something people would enjoy, look for the winner & forget after few days. It's very possible to manipulate. Don't take it too seriously.
legendary
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really cool, I've been rewarded for what I did, I was anticipating going to do a bounty hunt in the same place because the rules are not prohibited multi account but banned from following multiple accounts, but strangely I got spam(neutral) trust.  because the existing rules in anticipation of following multiple accounts.
The tag is just in case you commit cheat in the future with the connected account in case you use it in the same campaign. Meanwhile, the neutral tag that you get will have no effect as long as you don't do a cheat campaign or share merit between the 3 connected accounts. And it's true that having more than one account is allowed on this forum, unless you're using it to cheat campaign or share merit.

Do you think this competition is fair?
Bitcointalk Community Awards 2021
At one point I'm not sure it's 100% fair as some users choose just to trick the merit source into distributing the merit to them with mention specific name [average is a spammer]. See how many spammers have merit from that, but obviously icopress has its own way of getting it right so it's not a big problem for us.
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really cool, I've been rewarded for what I did, I was anticipating going to do a bounty hunt in the same place because the rules are not prohibited multi account but banned from following multiple accounts, but strangely I got spam(neutral) trust.  because the existing rules in anticipation of following multiple accounts.
It's too late to make excuses. We will expose everyone

Moving to Ivory Tower
How exactly would that solve anything?
I will see all the farms. There will be fewer people behind which these farms can hide.
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it's quite scary when my name is called there, my concern is you are too sensitive to see people happy, is it because you don't have any smerit?
Are you scared? Right, farmers like you should be scared of me

3 Accounts Connected
1.Silver80
2.Arguna
3.Alf_m.h


What was to be shown
All nonames of contest should be monitored

really cool, I've been rewarded for what I did, I was anticipating going to do a bounty hunt in the same place because the rules are not prohibited multi account but banned from following multiple accounts, but strangely I got spam(neutral) trust.  because the existing rules in anticipation of following multiple accounts.
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With that being said, you could have shared your opinion on this in threadcreated specifically for this purpose, instead opening another one.
Because there is no poll showing the true essence of things

Users are intimidated by your DT gang and are afraid to say something to your face

In the poll people will show you that you are in minority
legendary
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Do you think this competition is fair?
Bitcointalk Community Awards 2021
Yeah, I would say it's pretty fair, there will always be someone who will try to take the  advantage, no matter the rules you set.


Honestly looking on these waking-up noname users voting for its high-ranked alts I doubt in fairness of this contest
That's why @icopress reserved the right to exclude anyone's vote, at his own discretion. So no, I am not concerned about the fairness as I do trust @icopress will do the right thing.  


Why are these merit-sourcers squandering merits for bribing loyal voters, and not for useful posts for novice newbies on the forum who need real support?
I do agree that its a shitty way to spend your merit, but I don't think they are bribing, it is more of a "thank you".


Moving to Ivory Tower
How exactly would that solve anything?


With that being said, you could have shared your opinion on this in threadcreated specifically for this purpose, instead opening another one.

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But Ratimov is giving everyone merit which is not a bad idea.
You know, other conscientious participants for whom they voted do not allow themselves this because they do not want foul play by merit bribing
legendary
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Do you think this competition is fair?
With what I observed, it is going on good.

Tell me please who those noname users generously receiving merits?
I think it's partially caused by notification bots: posting a list of usernames means some of them get notified. If they get notified, they see the post. If they see the post, it increases the chance of getting Merited.
As a Merit source, 1 sMerit more or less is a drop in a bucket.
Yes, people voted for are getting notified. But Ratimov is giving everyone merit which is not a bad idea.
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it's quite scary when my name is called there, my concern is you are too sensitive to see people happy, is it because you don't have any smerit?
Are you scared? Right, farmers like you should be scared of me

3 Accounts Connected
1.Silver80
2.Arguna
3.Alf_m.h


What was to be shown
All nonames of contest should be monitored
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it's quite scary when my name is called there, my concern is you are too sensitive to see people happy, is it because you don't have any smerit?
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Why are these merit-sourcers squandering merits for bribing loyal voters, and not for useful posts for novice newbies on the forum who need real support?

This is not fair. Simple folk won't understand your sneaky games



Theymos please, disable merits for this contest, for the justice. Or move it to Ivory Tower
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/voting-2021-bitcointalk-community-awards-5382917
legendary
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If you think this rules isn't strict enough and the voters aren't fair, what's your suggestion to solve this?
Moving to Ivory Tower
It only dismiss low rank member (below full member) but you can't stop people giving away merit and full member+ noname users to vote (not all users you posted are noname users, this because they're rarely active in section where you active at)
legendary
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Tell me please who those noname users generously receiving merits?
I think it's partially caused by notification bots: posting a list of usernames means some of them get notified. If they get notified, they see the post. If they see the post, it increases the chance of getting Merited.
As a Merit source, 1 sMerit more or less is a drop in a bucket.
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Tell me please who those noname users generously receiving merits? Hey, if you are real users, at least confirm that you are not alt of your merit-givers

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legendary
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As I wrote at the previous contest:
Concerned people actively donates the merits for those who vote in their favor
That's not very Switzerland to do, but it's not against the rules either.

I'd say it's almost fair even though not 100%, you can't hope such competition will 100% fair since no one is wrong and no one is right.
Exactly this Smiley An Award like this can't be completely fair, especially when prizes are $650 per winner.
But campaigning for yourself is allowed:
Any user has the right to campaign for or against other candidates in a separate thread specially created for this.
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If you think this rules isn't strict enough and the voters aren't fair, what's your suggestion to solve this?
Moving to Ivory Tower
legendary
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I'd say it's almost fair even though not 100%, you can't hope such competition will 100% fair since no one is wrong and no one is right. It's depends on their perspective to determine which user is deserve with the nomination. Sometime people giving away merit because they want to thank those voters for voting him and to be honest it's not really a big problem as they're only give 1-2 merits. You may want to check this thread 10th anniversary art contest

You must have 50 merit or be a full member or higher to vote ➥ Note.

With this rules at least we can deny newbie or sock puppet account in order to vote his main account. If you think this rules isn't strict enough and the voters aren't fair, what's your suggestion to solve this? If you make the rules only 1000+ merit earned can vote, many users will think it's discrimination and less decentralized.
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Do you think this competition is fair?
Bitcointalk Community Awards 2021

Honestly looking on these waking-up noname users voting for its high-ranked alts I doubt in fairness of this contest

This competition takes place with numerous violations of common sense

Concerned people actively donates the merits for those who vote in their favor
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