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Quote from: alinknila on September 23, 2023, 03:41:53 AM

After going through a couple of threads on the Gambling Discussion topic I noticed how divided the views are on trusting the RNG and the fairness of most casinos in general. So I wanted to ask everyone - Do you trust the RNGs and why?

This is a difficult answer for me, because I cannot confirm and claim that the RNG system is provably fair.
Firstly, I am a football fan. However, it's not uncommon for me to like playing slots. several sources that I read regarding RNG, claim that this system has been implemented by most casinos in their slot games. in particular, casinos that are trusted and have a license and credibility that can be accounted for. If that's true, there's nothing we have to worry too much about.

However, there are many doubts regarding the generation of random numbers "RNG". For me, that is a normal thing. because, if someone asks questions or doubts it, it means that there is information presented about RNG that cannot be accepted rationally and with common sense. also, in application when playing this slot game.
Once again I say, I'm not too interested in the ins and outs of RNG, RTP, available from slot games, because I'm more focused on football. but one thing I can say, if the casino we play at is a casino that has a good reputation and is trusted, licensed. Moreover, it has credibility. there is nothing wrong, if we believe it, unless something is found to contradict it.

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For the uninitiated, RNG basically assures that each game's result is truly random, making the result of the game as fair as possible. Reputable online casinos use RNGs that have received external agency certification from a technical standpoint. Theoretically, this outside endorsement should attest to the game's impartiality.

However, its important to distinguish between casinos. Nobody is created equally. Some go above and beyond for transparency, occasionally revealing the algorithms as well as the outcomes. So, to answer your question, yes or no? Nothing is in black and white. Verified RNGs from reputed casinos are trusted by me. Always research a wager before making one. The safest wager you can place is that.

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I trust RTP (return-to-player) more than RNG. I don't believe it's random, it will depend on how much you are losing and winning. I think I have made enough bets to see why I believe in that way.
Played Keno for a long time and other casino originals games, all I see is when I am on a losing streak the game will give it back somehow, and the funny thing sometimes is it's exactly how much you need to get even or a little profit or a little loss. Then, when you continue running it, it happens again. That's not RNG for me. Because if the casino uses that kind of method (RNG) then I doubt many of us will be a bit happy about what is happening. Most of us will lose more so we might leave the gambling site and look for more which I don't think they want to happen. As much as possible, they want us to stick to the site and play even if it takes a long for them to make profits. That's RTP, not RNG.

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Quote from: alinknila on September 23, 2023, 03:41:53 AM

After going through a couple of threads on the Gambling Discussion topic I noticed how divided the views are on trusting the RNG and the fairness of most casinos in general. So I wanted to ask everyone - Do you trust the RNGs and why?

If you do not trust the RNG of casinos then there is no point in gambling at that casino at all, now that mistrust could in fact be misplaced, but it is also possible that your worries are real and the casino in which you were gambling was cheating you and many other gamblers as well, however I do not think there is anything to worry about if you are gambling at some of the best casinos that are out there, as they are not going to risk their reputation over some short term gains.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 23, 2023, 06:30:00 PM

if you think that a casino is manipulating their RNGs, you can actually verify it. so you can present your findings to the community or ask assistance if you are in doubt, because there are so many users here who will surely help you out.
but in most cases, i don't check about the fairness if i know the site is trustworthy. i believe, only few users really check this feature.

The casino will not manipulate their RNG number,because the casino get good money from each game conducting from the gambler as the commission and why should they do the RNG manipulation.Because casino doesn’t need any involvement in the RNG,the gamblers will get the win based on the luck.Check the gambling site before using it,but don’t blame the website after the loss.Loss is one of the fifty percent in the game.So blaming the website after the loss is not an good gambling attitude.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on September 23, 2023, 04:22:30 AM

Yes I trust RNGs, but only in big gambling providers e.g. Pragmatic Play, Play 'N' Go, Microgaming and NetEnt. This is because we have no way to verify our bet, all we can do is trust the providers.

If someone can't trust RNGs, then the choice is avoid slots and only gamble in own casino's games, you can verify your bet.

If you still not trust both of them, you can gamble in sport bookie.

However if you still think sport is rigged, never talk about gambling anymore and go away from this place.

Right. It's useless to gamble if we resort into believing that these RGNs are rigged. If that is the case, we will never see ourselves winning some decent amount at some point. However, probably for those fake and scam casinos, there's no way we can trust those RGNs but for big and famous casinos, either we need to trust them or we just have to avoid gambling at all cost.

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Quote from: maydna on September 24, 2023, 04:47:21 PM

That's why we have to gamble at trusted casinos so we don't suspect they are cheating. We can indeed check whether the casino is cheating us or whether they are really honest. But instead of doing that, it's better just to trust the casino. After all, it is a trusted casino. They won't want to ruin their reputation just because of a small problem. Instead of thinking about the casino's honesty or cheating, which might waste time, it's better just to enjoy the gambling game. If we are unsure about the casino, we can look for another casino that might not make us hesitate to gamble at that casino.

Many gamblers didn’t mind about this as long as they are on the most trusted gambling site and yes, if you are not familiar with this better to gamble only on the best list. Its actually hard to know if the site if fair or not, and I’m sure someone will always look into that details, all you have to do is to do your own research as well. You can’t do anything about it honestly, its hard to know if you’re an ordinary gambler all I have is the trust on the top sites and playing with them is still good so far.

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That's why we have to gamble at trusted casinos so we don't suspect they are cheating. We can indeed check whether the casino is cheating us or whether they are really honest. But instead of doing that, it's better just to trust the casino. After all, it is a trusted casino. They won't want to ruin their reputation just because of a small problem. Instead of thinking about the casino's honesty or cheating, which might waste time, it's better just to enjoy the gambling game. If we are unsure about the casino, we can look for another casino that might not make us hesitate to gamble at that casino.

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Do we have a choice? I don't think so. That's why, we got to trust them if we want to gamble online. If a game let's you verify your bets using a provably-fair system, that's a different thing, but most slots and providers don't allow that and all you got to do is just trust that they are not scamming you and I'm pretty sure that most users are doing that because these providers and casinos have millions of users and I don't think they would all be sure if the platforms are not scamming them but it is just that they believe they are not being scammed.

Also, we all know that slots have a higher house edge than any other game, and we also tend to lose more money in slots in general unless we get lucky and hit a multiplier that changes the whole thing upside down and even if we were in loss previously, that single spin might get us in profit but that doesn't happen all the time.

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All you have to do is trust the providers, that's the only thing gamblers can rely on, and as for many beginners, all casino games are rigged, not until the win some cool amount of money, that's when they will start thinking that they are wrong.

I am not saying that casinos game are far from rig, but those ones from software and games providers are far more reliable, but few people believe that games made by casinos are better, I don't see any reason why, because rigging games from providers will get your ass bursted as a casino CEO, games for providers are open to the public, only in games from casino can easily be rigged, and that's why I fear them.

For the RNG discussion, I believe that luck is still playing a lot here, casinos have to make money remember? Even more than gamblers themselves, so either casino in games or from providers, they are all programmed to make casinos more profitable than gamblers, this is why every gamblers needs to be aware of themselves.

Are you still in your right mind with gambling? Are you pushing yourself too much? Self-awareness can bring you back when you are stepping into the danger zone of gambling, be cautious of yourselves.

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Quote from: alinknila on September 23, 2023, 03:41:53 AM

After going through a couple of threads on the Gambling Discussion topic I noticed how divided the views are on trusting the RNG and the fairness of most casinos in general. So I wanted to ask everyone - Do you trust the RNGs and why?

We all know there is no absolute randomness in man-made number generators, but what casinos use comes pretty close to it. I do believe in the casinos and that they are trustworthy. It might seem like the casinos could easily fix the numbers to increase their profits, but this a huge risk and could ruin a company. Most casinos try to establish a brand and are in for the long run, not short term profits. Being a well established casino is going to bring in a lot of more customers than a new startup. In my opinion the casino doesn't need to fake random number generators, because they already have the house edge. As long as there are enough customers the casino is going to make money. All the casino games are designed so that the casino is making money, no need to fake the numbers.

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The RNG thing for me is if I'm playing on a trusted casino then I could follow with what others are doing but I still believe not all the time it will be successful because casinos are also there to make money, I will still have the luck tendency behind my mind.

But for a casino that doesn't have a good review, my trust level is highly reduced.

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Quote from: alinknila on September 23, 2023, 03:41:53 AM

After going through a couple of threads on the Gambling Discussion topic I noticed how divided the views are on trusting the RNG and the fairness of most casinos in general. So I wanted to ask everyone - Do you trust the RNGs and why?

Only on well-known casinos/providers. I don't really know how the RNG logic works behind the scenes, I know how to calculate RNG but you never really know if the games you play use said RNG methods, and you'd never really find out since, well, that's their backend stuff. While I do know some games have that RNG checker thing? idrk how it works nor imo is it a guaranteed insurance that the game uses the same logic.

And with that said, I just decided to trust well-known casinos/providers instead. They're most used by players and I reckon a few of those do some checks on their own.

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Quote from: alinknila on September 23, 2023, 03:41:53 AM

After going through a couple of threads on the Gambling Discussion topic I noticed how divided the views are on trusting the RNG and the fairness of most casinos in general. So I wanted to ask everyone - Do you trust the RNGs and why?

Why not even though basically a game including slots always gives uncertain results and so far no one or gambler has been able to beat it unless there is luck.
RNG is a systematic or working way of a casino game and like it or not we will follow or believe everything that exists.

Moreover we ourselves can understand that casinos are a business and they aim to make a profit so thinking about not trusting RNG or fairness on a gambling site or casino is also not something we need to do.

But from all this do you think that the casino or a third party has manipulated the results of the game so that there are doubts about trusting the RNG or the fairness of a gambling site?

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It really depends on provider. There was one state institution in my country that was running lottery. Lately they privatized it so some company (monopoly) bought it and they also featured new type of gambling methods that didn't exist in past. Slots and other typical games that you would find in casinos. I saw a guy doing a review with website. Its numbers were heavily modified to make house win which is so sad. Its hard to trust most companies. But I think legit businesses will never do that to avoid losing customers.

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If you research about it, it really used in many ways in games for calculating i mean having random results in attacks, results same way goes to casinos. It's not biased if you understand the algorithm, that's why you will eventually trust it if you didn't yet.

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Quote from: alinknila on September 23, 2023, 03:41:53 AM

After going through a couple of threads on the Gambling Discussion topic I noticed how divided the views are on trusting the RNG and the fairness of most casinos in general. So I wanted to ask everyone - Do you trust the RNGs and why?

Yes, I trust RNGs from highly reputable casinos. I can't say the same for casino's with negative reviews though. I know that when I play at the latter, my mind is at rest and at peace that I will get a fair spin from a $50 bet that is completely random.

There are scam casinos out there that manipulate their RNGs but this cannot be generalized to all casinos. The more reason why gamblers should get educated on these things.

if you think that a casino is manipulating their RNGs, you can actually verify it. so you can present your findings to the community or ask assistance if you are in doubt, because there are so many users here who will surely help you out.
but in most cases, i don't check about the fairness if i know the site is trustworthy. i believe, only few users really check this feature.

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Quote from: alinknila on September 23, 2023, 03:41:53 AM

After going through a couple of threads on the Gambling Discussion topic I noticed how divided the views are on trusting the RNG and the fairness of most casinos in general. So I wanted to ask everyone - Do you trust the RNGs and why?

Yes, I trust RNGs from highly reputable casinos. I can't say the same for casino's with negative reviews though. I know that when I play at the latter, my mind is at rest and at peace that I will get a fair spin from a $50 bet that is completely random.

There are scam casinos out there that manipulate their RNGs but this cannot be generalized to all casinos. The more reason why gamblers should get educated on these things.

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Quote from: alinknila on September 23, 2023, 03:41:53 AM

After going through a couple of threads on the Gambling Discussion topic I noticed how divided the views are on trusting the RNG and the fairness of most casinos in general. So I wanted to ask everyone - Do you trust the RNGs and why?

It's not about I "trust" the RNG but I believed these casinos won't do some sh*t regarding that.

They care about their reputation as that was hard to achieve in the process. Aside from that, casino games are mostly provided by game providers and these providers also care for their reputation that's why I don't see what's the benefit if they rigged the RNGs of their respective slot games.

Simply, I believe some users are misled about what RNG is all about. As soon as they saw that high percentage like over 95%, they think the winning chance is high. In case of loss, they will blame the casino game or the casino itself not realizing they are doing gambling.

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I mostly trust Random number generators in from reliable providers. Though, I think that since we are talking about casinos which allow gamblers to wager with Bitcoin and other decentralized assets it would be more appropriate if we learnt and got used to gamble using probably fair games.

I would personally not recommend anyone to over-think whether their preferred casino is cheating on them or not, it sounds like the easiest and quickest way to lose peace of mind and the passion for gambling itself. In moments of frustration and after a bad luck streak rolling dices or spinning slots, there is always a possibility of letting our mind to blame the casino and the alleged system behind it. That is another reason for supporting the development of probably fairness.

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