Topic: Does Binance do some diligence upon listing? SONM listing - page 2. (Read 1838 times)

Ok, you understood the ANN post itself, that's not what I meant to say, I see the confusion. They announced him in the threads, pre-ICO time I found, and everybody was assuming the ICO has escrows using him. Please read the timeline of posts I quoted, SebastianJU himself is quoted.

EDIT: I updated that part to make it clearer, still they announced him as escrow and didn't tell anyone he was out, never, but only SebastianJU himself asking and knowing hours prior the ICO was the one telling the community.

i was asked by the OP to comment in this topic.

thats what i can add:

i contacted the team via [email protected] several times. i wanted to know which bonus i received for my ICO investment. the first mail i sent in the middle of June. I received an answer end of July. Till today i don't know how they calculated the bonus.

i only invested 0.11364839 BTC.
and finally i was able to sell almost all my coins above ICO price.

thats why i decided to stop asking and bothering about the bonus.

so i just don't know if they scamed me or not.

That is not what you've said. You specifically said in the ANN thread. An update post != ANN thread.

And he actually acted as escrow for the "pre ico".

I posted the links, he was announced as the escrow and they didn't inform anyone he was not the escrow anymore. They announced him here:


Everybody assumed he was the escrow. This is what I've found so far, between the post of SebastianJU saying he was not the escrow and ICO starting was a matter of hours.

Interesting story line and potential conspiracy theory (not that it would surprise me if it were the truth).

How was he not removed from the thread? You said the following:

I'm asking until when it was left in the ANN thread that he was escrowing, i.e. when he was removed from it.

Sry, I didn't notice this.

June 15, 2017 - SebastianJu posts about his removal from escrowing.
SebastianJu is removed from the thread. -- he was not removed from the thread
June 15, 2017 -4 to 5 hours later - ICO starts

SebastianJU posted some 4 or 5 hours only prior to ICO start, only then he came to know he was out. Only because of SebastianJU himself some people had time to read the thread and see he was out.

No problem, I assume you are asking about the SebastianJU issue first.

So, SebastianJU was used as escrow in their pre-ICO and, assumed to be used in ICO since they didn't update the information. I'll quote posts from that thread, the ICO was 15th of June, SebastianJU came to know (only by his own inquiry) he was not escrow anymore hours prior to the ICO, in 15th of June, they dismissed him without warning him or the other investors. See the timestamps.

PROOF:


They didn't say anything, rebel.salesman is responsible for SONM threads and is a sonm members. Then we have SebastianJU message warning everybody as he came to know HOURS PRIOR TO THE ICO HE WAS OUT:


(part in bold is mine)

Screenshots taken by investors showing how SONM mislead investors in their ANN:


I can't say this is true or not, but a member said this:


SebastianJU was removed to be replaced by a multi-signature of SONM team itself, as if this is really escrowing (granted, assuming they even did this in the first place)!! Of those mentioned in the post above was Chronobank  whose CEO is a formal adviser of the project.

Then they sent some person to attack SebastianJU and trying to say it is safer having them as escrows than having third parties!!!

PROOF:


The individual above seems to be SONM team member by reading his msgs. SebastianJU replied to that accusation, very typical of SONM people, to accuse and harass people in their way -- notice the first troll they sent asking me for details I already provided a dozen times and will again.


Also, isn't it funny the guy says "the escrow guarant (sic) is an unnecessary investor's money spenditure (sic) and we have no right to trust Sebastian the money raised as he's not an authorized representative", but yet USED HIM IN PRE-ICO AND TOLD EVERYONE HOW GREAT WAS HAVING HIM AS ESCROW!!!

Sebastian's reply:


See how SebastianJU was calm, well-balanced in all messages, and they accused him of being a mercenary? Only because he asked a sum for his services they disagreed? Very, very telling the behavior. And absolutely shady what they did.

I need a summarized timeline. Could you fill this in?

He has been doing that. You're confused.

Almedia, can I ask you to focus on facts please. How much you've invested ? How exactly your bonus was miscalculated ? Which exchange rate was used, which one was supposed to be used and why ? How many tokens you think that you didn't receive as a result ? 

Hi Lauda,

all I know came afterwards by reading previous messages in that long thread, if you click the link I sent in my second msg (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19574248
) you will see what SebastianJU wrote himself, please take the time to read that and some further msgs (and believe me, many invested without knowing SebastianJU was removed in a timely manner because it was just before the ICO in the same day!!!).

The account involved in the ICO from the SONM team that I know is this one:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rebelsalesman-821847

There are other accounts but I'm not sure they are part of the team, but rather hired people to keep repeating ad nausea to contact support and bonus emails. If this is important I can try to fetch those too, let me know.

EDIT: this is one of the profiles of "hired" people, I'll link to their trust section:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016061

Thank you for taking a look at this, Lauda.

Shadiness on a quite high level; I'm certain that there is a fair amount of people who invested in belief that the project was escrowed by him (or just a third party in general). Provide a confirmatory statement from SebastianJu that this really has happened, and a list of accounts that are related to the project. Do you know how much time has passed between his kick and before he was finally removed?

Exactly!!

I won't judge Golem project, but SONM showed they not only lack professionalism and honesty, they showed they can't handle an ICO, let alone building all the fantastic things they claim. They did bash Golem project, which is like kids bragging without showing a product, they are really a bunch of pretentious, dishonest and disrespectful people. Bringing shame to russians, which is sad because russians are a very capable people.

Just consider how many different and unrelated people they duped, ex team members, escrows and investors, very telling.

I will comment the technical part of the schedule of these ICOs.

when they start they have no money, they just pay bills from their pocket.
soon the ICO starts and they start minting some money but the smart contract was created before the ICO by seeing videos on youtube now they suffer how to validate contract even having money they find it difficult because if you change the contract then the whole token goes waste.

The Forum guy "rebelsalesman" is a nasty pool of scum no doubt he was screaming over slack that SONM will be better than Golem but where we are.. Clearly this concept is beyond the reach of SOHM and even out of reach of Golem Team. I won't wonder if Golem Fails.

See how they dismissed SebastianJU:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19574248

Well, it is disappointing that Binance is listing this terrible ICO token. I was SCAMMED during their ICO upon sending BTC for sonm tokens, they scammed not only me but some others (ask jack0m -- legendary -- and others), it is everything in SONM ANN thread with proof of the transactions, and all my addresses, so you don't need to believe me, just check from here and following msgs (see page 185):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19966184

SONM dismissed SebastianJU as escrow just before the start of the ICO and didn't tell him until he asked, and they kept his name announced with posts in their threads as escrow without telling the investors they dismissed him. Again, don't need to believe me, ask SebastianJu himself if you don't believe, he is a highly respected escrow in this community.


SONM swindled his polish team, kicking them out of the project after they worked. Check the thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scandal-sonmio-i-am-looking-for-bounty-hunters-or-debt-collectors-in-moscow-1895293

In that thread, Barnaba and krzyszpPL are ex-members of the polish former branch of the team. They were SCAMMED, look carefully at that thread, send messages to them if you want to check these claims, their names and faces are public there in the links.

Andrew Voronkov was a founder of SONM who LEFT THE PROJECT just after the ICO due to this scandal. Voronkov is a scientist and brought his polish colleges from @drug_discovery project which uses BOINC technology for grid computing. He obviously kept appearances and didn't want to comment, but the fact is that he left the project he himself founded.

During my "communication" with SONM, they showed repeated times they were not reading my emails. They finally tried to reply in the ANN thread with falsehoods and implicitly accusing me of some bad intention, while I was trying to talk for weeks and they only gained time saying they had a lot of emails and blah blah. They gave me tokens the moment they chose, manually processing my contribution nearly 5 hours after I sent the transactions, finally they gave me a worse exchange rate and wrong bonus. I published all the transactions, I even signed to prove ownership of the BTC address I contributed with, and they ignored for over a month saying there were "scam" attempts, when finally they came with a pathetic reply.

They were BANNING people who were complaining about those issues in their slack and telegram channels. They are really a greedy disrespectful untrustworthy bunch.

I asked many times for a refund, they ignored, showing how greedy they are and how they don't give a shit about their community.

Don't delude yourself with websites, names and marketing, this project is an outright marketed scam and I'm very disappointed Binance decided to list this junk.

They published one of their marketing videos promising Bittrex listing just after the ICO, but the truth is Bittrex listed half a dozen or so coins/tokens/icos after sonm's ICO, and they didn't list SONM, why? Well, maybe is because SONM contract is not even verified at etherscan:

https://etherscan.io/token/0x983f6d60db79ea8ca4eb9968c6aff8cfa04b3c63

Their reputation is "neutral" there, meaning they lack (click on the reputation to see):

3) 'OK' reputation

An OK reputation is not an endorsement, but it is of our opinion (and at our own discretion) that the project has (either or a combination of the following criterias):

a. provided sufficient and accurate information
b. clear project goals and communication
c. visible profile of the project founders/backers/advisers
d. no significant 'red' flags (that we were aware of at the point of time the reputation score was assigned)
e. the token is traded/listed on a major crypto exchange which has AML/KYC checks (i.e coinbase, poloniex, kraken, bittrex, yunbi or a similiar exchange)

Or maybe is because Bittrex checked all the problems above (as probably the etherscan team did). So they most probably didn't get approved in Bittrex compliance process, they applied nearly 3 months ago (around mid of june), as they also didn't get an OK reputation in etherscan.

Let all be aware of this shitcoin, trade it at your own discretion.