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legendary
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Franko is Freedom
October 12, 2013, 07:47:02 PM
#27
I hope my wife never finds my bitcoin wallet or im gonna have to figure out a way to block bitmit.  Cheesy
legendary
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October 12, 2013, 07:46:17 PM
#26
lol

the IQ test was designed for all, aimed at measuring the intellect of children. its about maths and puzzles. which both males and females can accomplish. there is nothing sexist about IQ tests.

what is sexist is the Ego of men.. those with high IQ will show off, join mensa and get books deals to write about their lifestory being smart. where as women are not as ego-centered to publicise their intelligence.

thus it is found that male EGO's make statistics look more favorable to males. because the statistics look at how many men vs women are in mensa. not how many men/women get the minimal IQ requirements to join.

and this point is proven by the OP. he based his idea that women don't understand bitcoin, not based on talking to women, but based on how many, or lack of women there were at a convention.

to those that actually have girlfriends, wives etc. we all know when arguing with a women, us men will never win. they are very clever and whitty to get what they want, in many ways. and they are subtle about it too. they dont show off their intelligence they do it with cunning and strategy...

once the naive hormone induced bitcoin fans make sense of this, and that bitcoin conventions become more about official business instead of dating hook-up spots. you will see a few more women turn up.
legendary
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October 12, 2013, 06:41:42 PM
#25
Are you aware of for whom this test was initially designed?

The IQ test was originally designed for school-aged children. At that time, many women did not attend school. Thus, it primarily measures the mental aptitudes of men, and that is the population that it differentiates best. If I decided to measure intelligence with height, for which there is definitely a correlation, it may work well initially with men. When I then apply this test to women, the scale is not useful for comparing across genders because of physiological differences.

Many of the "standards" were designed long ago for a primarily male population. It is unfair to claim that these tests are appropriate for all people when they were designed for only a subset of people.

Were these standards never updated / modernized? I find that hard to believe.


Agreed. I'm not saying women aren't intelligent, just suggesting that these intelligence tests have an actual purpose beyond superficial equality issues.
hero member
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October 12, 2013, 05:13:48 PM
#24
Are you aware of for whom this test was initially designed?

The IQ test was originally designed for school-aged children. At that time, many women did not attend school. Thus, it primarily measures the mental aptitudes of men, and that is the population that it differentiates best. If I decided to measure intelligence with height, for which there is definitely a correlation, it may work well initially with men. When I then apply this test to women, the scale is not useful for comparing across genders because of physiological differences.

Many of the "standards" were designed long ago for a primarily male population. It is unfair to claim that these tests are appropriate for all people when they were designed for only a subset of people.

Were these standards never updated / modernized? I find that hard to believe.
legendary
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October 12, 2013, 04:50:02 PM
#23

It is incredibly sexist to claim that fewer women are at extremes in personality, political stance, or intelligence. This is equivalent to saying that all women are similar. Such a statement is patently false.
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It is actually true for many intelligent tests that while the means are nearly identical the distributions are not, so neither sexist or anything else.  See eg:
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2010/07/great-male-variability-it’s-a-fact-but-it-can-sometimes-be-deadly/#mbl

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/sexdifferences.aspx

Plus many more.

IQ tests were designed by males and initially applied to test differences between males, who were the primary school population at the time. It is no surprise that the test accentuates the intelligence variability in males. This does not prove that males are more "variable" than females, only that a test designed to measure male variability shows greater male variability than females.

Those are the standards for intelligence that exist. Sure, if we slanted the test for females, then they would 'win'. If women do match up as well as men, then they should have no problem with a standard human intelligence test. Its not a popularity contest.

Are you aware of for whom this test was initially designed?

The IQ test was originally designed for school-aged children. At that time, many women did not attend school. Thus, it primarily measures the mental aptitudes of men, and that is the population that it differentiates best. If I decided to measure intelligence with height, for which there is definitely a correlation, it may work well initially with men. When I then apply this test to women, the scale is not useful for comparing across genders because of physiological differences.

Many of the "standards" were designed long ago for a primarily male population. It is unfair to claim that these tests are appropriate for all people when they were designed for only a subset of people.
legendary
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October 12, 2013, 04:33:16 PM
#22

It is incredibly sexist to claim that fewer women are at extremes in personality, political stance, or intelligence. This is equivalent to saying that all women are similar. Such a statement is patently false.
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It is actually true for many intelligent tests that while the means are nearly identical the distributions are not, so neither sexist or anything else.  See eg:
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2010/07/great-male-variability-it’s-a-fact-but-it-can-sometimes-be-deadly/#mbl

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/sexdifferences.aspx

Plus many more.

IQ tests were designed by males and initially applied to test differences between males, who were the primary school population at the time. It is no surprise that the test accentuates the intelligence variability in males. This does not prove that males are more "variable" than females, only that a test designed to measure male variability shows greater male variability than females.

Those are the standards for intelligence that exist. Sure, if we slanted the test for females, then they would 'win'. If women do match up as well as men, then they should have no problem with a standard human intelligence test. Its not a popularity contest.
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Coffee makes it all better!
October 12, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
#21
I didn't get interested/involved with bitcoin because of the community, although it has been helpful.

Question is, what drives a person regardless of sex to seek an alternative currency?
-awareness that fiat and that system are on the verge of collapse?
-frustration with current money systems?
-desire for freedom?
-investment opportunity?
Huh

I could go on. let's get to the motivation side of the equation, rather than the "women avoid technology and geeky stuff"
hero member
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October 12, 2013, 04:20:23 PM
#20
2) The bitcoin community is not hostile but it's full of geeks so it's not exactly attractive to women...
The bitcoin community is about bitcoin, not about finding a boyfriend  Undecided it is not that you have to be attracted by people here

Yes but people inspire each other to get involved with things... And geeks can 't inspire absolutely nothing that has tits on it...

Really, Zuckerberg couldn't flog his website to women if his life depended on it. Grin
sr. member
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October 12, 2013, 04:17:16 PM
#19
2) The bitcoin community is not hostile but it's full of geeks so it's not exactly attractive to women...
The bitcoin community is about bitcoin, not about finding a boyfriend  Undecided it is not that you have to be attracted by people here

Yes but people inspire each other to get involved with things... And geeks can 't inspire absolutely nothing that has tits on it...
hero member
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October 12, 2013, 04:11:14 PM
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Just wait. Computer science isn't a male-dominated field any more, and actually is projected to become female-dominated in the future. Bitcoin will follow.

computing is not a male dominant field...

there are more men doing construction, mechanics etc. but when it comes to computing, you will find more women at a computer then men..

Using computers != computer science
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
October 12, 2013, 04:10:29 PM
#17
2) The bitcoin community is not hostile but it's full of geeks so it's not exactly attractive to women...
The bitcoin community is about bitcoin, not about finding a boyfriend  Undecided it is not that you have to be attracted by people here
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Coffee makes it all better!
October 12, 2013, 04:07:52 PM
#16
I see a good opportunity for a marketing study or two.

Get some real actionable data on the issue rather than generalizations and speculation.
hero member
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October 12, 2013, 04:05:35 PM
#15
Women

Just wait. Computer science isn't a male-dominated field any more, and actually is projected to become female-dominated in the future. Bitcoin will follow.

Really? There will be more women in computer science but there's no trend that points to a future where there will be more women in computer science than men. Men and women generally have different interests and there's nothing wrong with that. It's safe to figure that in 20 years there will still be more men in CS than women just like there will likely be more women in fashion than men.

Minorities

Like anything that involves money, Bitcoin lacks minorities. However, look at Bitcoin adoption in China and Africa. As these countries adopt Bitcoin, their diaspora will too.

Chinese are actually the majority of world citizens. Wink

Besides there are many Jews in finance and they are definitely a minority everywhere except in Israel.
legendary
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October 12, 2013, 04:04:03 PM
#14

It is incredibly sexist to claim that fewer women are at extremes in personality, political stance, or intelligence. This is equivalent to saying that all women are similar. Such a statement is patently false.
...

It is actually true for many intelligent tests that while the means are nearly identical the distributions are not, so neither sexist or anything else.  See eg:
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2010/07/great-male-variability-it’s-a-fact-but-it-can-sometimes-be-deadly/#mbl

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/sexdifferences.aspx

Plus many more.

IQ tests were designed by males and initially applied to test differences between males, who were the primary school population at the time. It is no surprise that the test accentuates the intelligence variability in males. This does not prove that males are more "variable" than females, only that a test designed to measure male variability shows greater male variability than females.
legendary
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October 12, 2013, 03:43:28 PM
#13
My girlfriend loves bitcoins! Her bitcoin phone wallet is always filled up with $250-$300 worth of bitcoins. It takes her a lot more time to spend it. When we go to clubs in NJ we always ask if we can buy drinks in bitcoins, usually they go no, or they are curious and they ask us what it is. Her friends all know what bitcoins is and some have tried it. But for these people to go to a conference or a meetup is not for her or her friends. Conferences are going to be a male dominated thing. I been to a few meetups and I was like this scene ain't for me. I stuck out like a saw thumb and she would stick out even worst than me. By the way my girlfriend is a fashion designer so this is really out of her realm.
legendary
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October 12, 2013, 04:00:40 PM
#13

It is incredibly sexist to claim that fewer women are at extremes in personality, political stance, or intelligence. This is equivalent to saying that all women are similar. Such a statement is patently false.
...

It is actually true for many intelligent tests that while the means are nearly identical the distributions are not, so neither sexist or anything else.  See eg:
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2010/07/great-male-variability-it’s-a-fact-but-it-can-sometimes-be-deadly/#mbl

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/sexdifferences.aspx

Plus many more.
legendary
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October 12, 2013, 03:26:51 PM
#12
There is no problem.

This is purely an effect of statistics.  Bitcoin is a "weird" and "extreme" technology, therefore it tends to attract people from the extreme tail end of the distribution, whether male or female.  When you look at attributes such as personality, political stance, or intelligence the distribution for women is narrower than the distribution for men.  The further away you go from the mean, the more men outnumber women.  

The reason there are so few female bitcoiners is the same reason there are so few female BASE jumpers, Nobel prize winners, and serial killers.

The more mainstream bitcoin becomes, the more "average" people it will attract, both male and female, and the more this effect will be diluted.

It is incredibly sexist to claim that fewer women are at extremes in personality, political stance, or intelligence. This is equivalent to saying that all women are similar. Such a statement is patently false.

Weird and extreme technologies attract women as easily as men. That is not an excuse for Bitcoin's gender gap. Rather, sexism and societal pressure is the primary cause of fewer women being attracted to Bitcoin. It is generally considered "uncool" for women to take interest in the frontier of technology. Luckily, this dated stance is changing and more and more women are entering frontier technologies such as nanotechnology and quantum computing. With a changing society, Bitcoin's demographics will change accordingly.
sr. member
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October 12, 2013, 03:24:37 PM
#11
2) The bitcoin community is not hostile but it's full of geeks so it's not exactly attractive to women...
legendary
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bitcoin - the aerogel of money
October 12, 2013, 03:10:55 PM
#10
There is no problem.

This is purely an effect of statistics.  Bitcoin is a "weird" and "extreme" technology, therefore it tends to attract people from the extreme tail end of the distribution, whether male or female.  When you look at attributes such as personality, political stance, or intelligence the distribution for women is narrower than the distribution for men.  The further away you go from the mean, the more men outnumber women.  

The reason there are so few female bitcoiners is the same reason there are so few female BASE jumpers, Nobel prize winners, and serial killers.

The more mainstream bitcoin becomes, the more "average" people it will attract, both male and female, and the more this effect will be diluted.

legendary
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October 12, 2013, 02:32:21 PM
#9
Women

Just wait. Computer science isn't a male-dominated field any more, and actually is projected to become female-dominated in the future. Bitcoin will follow.

Minorities

Like anything that involves money, Bitcoin lacks minorities. However, look at Bitcoin adoption in China and Africa. As these countries adopt Bitcoin, their diaspora will too.

computing is not a male dominant field...

there are more men doing construction, mechanics etc. but when it comes to computing, you will find more women at a computer then men.. the whole women arnt into computing is the naive thought process of the adolescence that never hear many women on a xbox live group game, or see them at a geeky conference. its all due to the hounding and stalking that goes on.. but in actual workplace scenarios, women do dominate the computing market.

women are in the community, you just wont see them. what we need to do is concentrate on making bitcoin a serious business where ANYONE in business can attend, not being concerned about gender, but about the tone of the event.

EDIT:
while writing i see 2 posts have been done with sexist naive remarks about women. lol. this makes my point even more apparent.. men think of women as housewives that are not smart. this is where bitcoin needs to change..
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