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legendary
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August 04, 2014, 12:07:25 PM
#42
The Kurds have even more rights to have Kurdistan than the Jews to have Israel, a country invented in 1947.

Let's not make a comparison. The Jews should have the freedom to live in their homeland, where they face no anti-semitism. That homeland can be Israel, Jordan, Uganda, Madagascar, or even Birobijan.

Similarly, the Kurds also deserve a right to live in a nation where it is legal to speak their language and practice their customs. This homeland should be inclusive, i.e it is not only for the Sunni Kurds, but also for the Kurdish minorities as well, such as Shiite Kurds, Yazidis, Christian Kurds and Jewish Kurds.
legendary
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August 04, 2014, 10:04:52 AM
#41
Now is the perfect time for Kurds to create their own country while shite and sunni are fighting each other. They deserve to own their own country, they have right to decide their own future. I think Oboma should send that funding to the Kurds instead of the ISIS terrorist.

Yes, in idealistic world you will be perfectly right.
In fact, Kurds was cheated in 1920 by France and England at peace conference and didn't get their freedom and free nation.
But, in today's world, everything is decided by the political interest, not right of justice.
So, whatever Kurds will get independence or not will be decided by the world powers, according to their current political interest in this conflict area, if they want united Iraq or 3 different states.


legendary
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August 04, 2014, 08:40:23 AM
#40
Syria and Irak as we know them are mostly invented countries, made up right after WW1, by British and French generals. The Kurds were forgotten at the time, but they have as much right to their own country as Turks or Greeks. The Kurds have even more rights to have Kurdistan than the Jews to have Israel, a country invented in 1947.
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July 31, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
#39
Now is the perfect time for Kurds to create their own country while shite and sunni are fighting each other. They deserve to own their own country, they have right to decide their own future. I think Oboma should send that funding to the Kurds instead of the ISIS terrorist.

I think this is a very good point, while they are fighting they could claim their own land. They may get US support, if it is in the interest of the US government.
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July 31, 2014, 10:58:25 AM
#38
Now is the perfect time for Kurds to create their own country while shite and sunni are fighting each other. They deserve to own their own country, they have right to decide their own future. I think Oboma should send that funding to the Kurds instead of the ISIS terrorist.
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July 31, 2014, 10:37:03 AM
#37
One needs to earn his own like everyone else in this world. The world don't owe you, me, or the Kurd anything.
Zz
legendary
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July 31, 2014, 09:48:46 AM
#36
Most of the right viewed Turks doesn't like Kurds at all. They can fuck off to Turkey and build their own country in Iraq or somewhere.
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July 21, 2014, 11:18:56 AM
#35
"In the last ten years we tried hard with our Shiite and Sunni partners to establish a new pluralistic and democratic federal Iraq. But unfortunately it was an unsuccessful attempt. We can say Iraq is now partitioned, but we are not responsible for this. We saw setbacks in the implementation of the constitution and agreements that Kurds reached with other parties, particularly the rulers in Baghdad. It is also difficult for us to keep waiting for an uncertain future, waiting in vain for implementation of the constitution and our rights. Kurds have no choice but to think of another path, toward self-determination."

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2014/07/masoud-barzani-kurdish-independence-201471719176616433.html
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July 12, 2014, 10:24:56 AM
#34
Kurdish forces seize disputed oilfield
Kurdish region claims disputed northern oilfield as twin bombings at the entrance to province's capital kill 31.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/kurds-quit-iraq-government-maliki-protest-201471110177733877.html
legendary
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July 12, 2014, 10:15:10 AM
#33
Kurds was cheated after World War I.
They received false promise from World powers that they will get their own country when WW I end and Turkish empire collapse, but this didn't happen and France and England divided between themselves Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Israel and other Arabic area.
It will be justice for Kurds now if this injustice from Paris conference in 1920 will be corrected now.
I don't think that Iraq have much chance to survive as united country now, anyway.

Pretty naive to think the world has room for justice.

Just about every successful country fought for their own land and make a great deal of sacrifice doing it. Even if Kurds is freely given some land that don't belong to them, how long do you think they can maintain it before being taken away by another stronger neighbors?



I just commenting some historical facts from my perspective.
Of course that every nation have to fight for their own political freedom but still I think that at least Kurds deserved the same chance as Israel in 1948, right to choose by themselves how and where they want to live.
Of course, there is no ideal solution for everybody in World politics, but still there is clear difference between good and bad decisions by world powers.
Very bad decisions after WW I, specially connected with Germany, was one of the main cause for WW II.
This is clear fact, obvious to anyone.
Establishment of EU and NATO after WW II was very good political decisions and helped political stability in Western Europe for over 60 years now. 
legendary
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July 12, 2014, 05:58:59 AM
#32
Kurds was cheated after World War I.
They received false promise from World powers that they will get their own country when WW I end and Turkish empire collapse, but this didn't happen and France and England divided between themselves Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Israel and other Arabic area.
It will be justice for Kurds now if this injustice from Paris conference in 1920 will be corrected now.
I don't think that Iraq have much chance to survive as united country now, anyway.

Pretty naive to think the world has room for justice.

Just about every successful country fought for their own land and make a great deal of sacrifice doing it. Even if Kurds is freely given some land that don't belong to them, how long do you think they can maintain it before being taken away by another stronger neighbors?



Cough I had a feeling you were hinting at Israel there Smiley

But true enough the Kurds need a strong army to handle the other countries that said they have a few good things going for them one secure enough oil supplies two a fairly stable country/economic situation compared to Iraq, three they are not Israel lol. (mean they have a lot of people of a similar enough ethnic background to other nearby countries)

With those factors it should not be impossible for them to stabilize a nation if they aren't destroyed by a powerful outside cough (westernized) influence.
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July 12, 2014, 05:46:11 AM
#31
Kurds was cheated after World War I.
They received false promise from World powers that they will get their own country when WW I end and Turkish empire collapse, but this didn't happen and France and England divided between themselves Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Israel and other Arabic area.
It will be justice for Kurds now if this injustice from Paris conference in 1920 will be corrected now.
I don't think that Iraq have much chance to survive as united country now, anyway.

Pretty naive to think the world has room for justice.

Just about every successful country fought for their own land and make a great deal of sacrifice doing it. Even if Kurds is freely given some land that don't belong to them, how long do you think they can maintain it before being taken away by another stronger neighbors?

legendary
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July 11, 2014, 04:09:31 PM
#30
Kurds was cheated after World War I.
They received false promise from World powers that they will get their own country when WW I end and Turkish empire collapse, but this didn't happen and France and England divided between themselves Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Israel and other Arabic area.
It will be justice for Kurds now if this injustice from Paris conference in 1920 will be corrected now.
I don't think that Iraq have much chance to survive as united country now, anyway.


legendary
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July 11, 2014, 06:49:53 AM
#29
There are some 35 million Kurds living in the Middle East right now. 15 million in Turkey, 8 million in Iran, 6 million in Iraq and 3 million in Syria. If Kurdistan becomes an independent nation, its population will be almost twice that of Syria!

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July 10, 2014, 10:37:41 AM
#28
Kurd needs to learn that to have their own country, they need to fight for it and not freely given by someone else.
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July 10, 2014, 05:34:35 AM
#27
If the Arabs can have two dozen nations for them, then why can't the Kurds have just one for them? I am in support of an independent Kurdistan.

Arabs can have two dozen nations in which they try to impose their ethnic attitudes on the native populations and older cultures, but cannot stomach the thought of independent strong israel or kurdistan.

sr. member
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July 09, 2014, 03:57:41 PM
#26
If Kurd wait for a stable Iraq they will just be bomb if they ask for independence...

And i don't understand what Israel and USA have to do with an independent Kurdistan, it's not the question and it's not an argument. But some people here will say sky is pink is USA say sky is blue...
legendary
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July 09, 2014, 02:23:04 PM
#25
If the Arabs can have two dozen nations for them, then why can't the Kurds have just one for them? I am in support of an independent Kurdistan.
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July 09, 2014, 11:53:22 AM
#24
I don't blame the Kurds at all for wanting to be out of the mess that is Iraq. From what I understand they have figured out away for many diverse groups to live together. I only hope that the fanatics in that region will leave them alone in peace.
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July 09, 2014, 11:00:42 AM
#23
The Kurds think they are safe in the support they get from USA, Israel and Turkey to break up from Iraq,little that they know that these so called supporters will abandon them when there is a need to do that.
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