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Quote from: electronicash on November 23, 2022, 02:17:24 PM

Does MMA Have A Gambling Problem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK2zv1DjkAQ

in every broadcast of the fight, MMA experts the likes of Jon Anik and DC provides analysis of what happen and who they thought won the round while odds are also flashed sponsored by sportsbookie like Draftkings. the video take a closer look at the relationship between gambling and combat sports to see what lies ahead for mixed martial arts while MMA sports becomes popular like boxing.

a lot of things said including the histoy how boxing and MMA started. i actually learn fighters, the team and even their family members are not allowed to bet on UFC bouts, i think was part of the code of conduct. because the general public now trust the system where there are no mafia or corruptions like rigged fights. will MMA have a gambling problem?

I don't think that there is a perfect system in gambling, maybe there could be few fights that have been rigged but it is not being caught. And so I wouldn't completely say that MMA or UFC fights as 100% not part of the mafia. Perhaps the influence throughout the years are going down, nevertheless, who knows there could be fighters that can go and be influence and it's hard to judge or caught them base on the performance unless they admit it themselves. I guess the closest that we can get in fighters using performance enhancing drugs to have advantage to their opponents.

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Quote from: o48o on November 23, 2022, 07:40:50 PM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on November 23, 2022, 05:32:04 PM

To be honest with you mate, I don't think we would ever around at a stage where rigged matches will be weeded out completely, like i said above, sports is business for most of this guys, and if rigging a match is how the money will be made, trust me, they will always find a way to do it no matter how regulators try to stop match rigging.
This is just my thought and opinion though.

Well as long as it's possible to get easy money out of it, people will do it. Ethics doesn't really matter to criminal underworld. However as they said in films, regulations have gone tighter and it's harder, while there are easier ways to make money for mobster wannabes then rigging matches, so i see this as a good path, because MOST people are against it, it's pretty easy to pass tougher regulations. Usually people complain about new rules. But then again those rules are protecting the gamblers and dignity of the whole sport.

If people want to see acting they will go to see well scripted professional wrestling.

There were some fights that raises eyebrows in the past where you will really think it's fixed or the referee handled it like he'd put a bet on the fight.
One that I particularly think was Omalley vs Yan. And the fact that Dana holds the contract of these athletes makes him a mob king.

Regardless though, we bet because it's exciting to watch MMA fights.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on November 23, 2022, 05:32:04 PM

To be honest with you mate, I don't think we would ever around at a stage where rigged matches will be weeded out completely, like i said above, sports is business for most of this guys, and if rigging a match is how the money will be made, trust me, they will always find a way to do it no matter how regulators try to stop match rigging.
This is just my thought and opinion though.

Well as long as it's possible to get easy money out of it, people will do it. Ethics doesn't really matter to criminal underworld. However as they said in films, regulations have gone tighter and it's harder, while there are easier ways to make money for mobster wannabes then rigging matches, so i see this as a good path, because MOST people are against it, it's pretty easy to pass tougher regulations. Usually people complain about new rules. But then again those rules are protecting the gamblers and dignity of the whole sport.

If people want to see acting they will go to see well scripted professional wrestling.

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Quote from: electronicash on November 23, 2022, 02:17:24 PM

a lot of things said including the histoy how boxing and MMA started. i actually learn fighters, the team and even their family members are not allowed to bet on UFC bouts, i think was part of the code of conduct. because the general public now trust the system where there are no mafia or corruptions like rigged fights. will MMA have a gambling problem?

That's how sports betting should be there should be no influence of any kind for the fighters to give their best and not allowing part of the team or relatives to bet is just right, the fans want to see all-out fights and they want to see fighters fighting to keep their records and status, I don't see why MMA will have a gambling problem, they are transparent if they see some rigging they will just take any fighters in vacation because this is one big promotion where they control everything.

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Quote from: electronicash on November 23, 2022, 02:17:24 PM

Does MMA Have A Gambling Problem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK2zv1DjkAQ

in every broadcast of the fight, MMA experts the likes of Jon Anik and DC provides analysis of what happen and who they thought won the round while odds are also flashed sponsored by sportsbookie like Draftkings. the video take a closer look at the relationship between gambling and combat sports to see what lies ahead for mixed martial arts while MMA sports becomes popular like boxing.

a lot of things said including the histoy how boxing and MMA started. i actually learn fighters, the team and even their family members are not allowed to bet on UFC bouts, i think was part of the code of conduct. because the general public now trust the system where there are no mafia or corruptions like rigged fights. will MMA have a gambling problem?

It seems to me that MMA is far from exclusive in promoting gambling and it has infected almost every sport by this point. We see it all around the biggest football stadiums, so it doesn't feel right to define it purely as an MMA problem and at the end of the day it is likely contributing to the wages of the fighters. At least with MMA you tend to get an older audience, over 18's perhaps instead of football idols watched from the very earliest ages. It definitely ties in more fairly with the sport, but maybe the advertising is more garish and noticeable in this environment. Either way, it is only the regulators in certain countries who will be able to stamp this sort of thing out.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on November 23, 2022, 05:06:36 PM

Pride MMA promotion in japan was known for having ties to the yakuza. They introduced non obvious methods to rig fights. Such as the champion knowing ahead of time which opponent they would fight. While the challenger did not know they would be fighting the champion, until shortly before the fight took place.

Wow, that's some real sh**t there, I believe they would say that's one of the pecks or benefits of being a champion, but that's clearly a great way to rig matches, Sports is business for many, and any idea that would make them the money they want would easily get implemented, so i am absolutely not surprised.
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Quote from: o48o on November 23, 2022, 04:58:50 PM

Watched the video and it i really thought this would be ancient history, and it mostly is but i had trust in regulators that they could weed rigged matches out completely and it would only happen on some low level fights anymore.

To be honest with you mate, I don't think we would ever around at a stage where rigged matches will be weeded out completely, like i said above, sports is business for most of this guys, and if rigging a match is how the money will be made, trust me, they will always find a way to do it no matter how regulators try to stop match rigging.
This is just my thought and opinion though.

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Quote from: electronicash on November 23, 2022, 02:17:24 PM

i actually learn fighters, the team and even their family members are not allowed to bet on UFC bouts, i think was part of the code of conduct.

Holly Holm's MMA team won 6 figures when Holly Holm defeated Ronda Rousey in 2015.

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Holly Holm's team won 'six figure' sum betting on their fighter

MELBOURNE, Australia — Members of Holly Holm’s support team won a "six figure" sum by betting on their fighter defeating Ronda Rousey at UFC 193.

Holm stunned Rousey with a second-round knockout in the main event at Etihad Stadium, an upset described as the greatest in UFC history.

With Las Vegas bookies offering odds of 10-1 and above for a Holm victory, several members of her camp pooled their resources together to place a wager, according to her manager Lenny Fresquez.

"I am sorry Vegas. You shouldn't have put the odds so high," Fresquez told USA TODAY Sports, while admitting that the sum exceeded six figures. "It was couple of our team members. We had a good pot together so it was nice. I wish I would have (placed) more money."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ufc/2015/11/15/holly-holm-upsets-ronda-rousey-bet-wins-six-figure-sum/75821580/

There are also many UFC fighters on social media who post bets.

I think the catch is UFC fighters must bet on themselves winning, they can't bet on their opponents and throw fights.

There was a criminal case many years ago where korean UFC fighter Tae Hyun Bang was involved in a fight fixing case where he was supposed to throw a fight versus Leo Kuntz.

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Report: Ex-UFC fighter Tae Hyun Bang gets jail time for involvement in fight-fixing scheme

Tae Hyun Bang was sentenced to 10 months by the Seoul Central District Court for taking $92,610 (100 million won in South Korea) to throw a fight against Leo Kuntz at UFC Fight Night 79 in Seoul in November 2015, according to the Korea Herald. Three people who gave the money to Bang also got jail terms.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/11/24/16697172/report-ex-ufc-fighter-tae-hyun-bang-gets-jail-time-for-involvement-in-fight-fixing-scheme

Bookmakers and authorities can sometimes identify fixed fights through an unusually large amount of money being bet. Which was what happened in the Tae Hyun Bang vs Leo Kuntz fight fixing case.

Pride MMA promotion in japan was known for having ties to the yakuza. They introduced non obvious methods to rig fights. Such as the champion knowing ahead of time which opponent they would fight. While the challenger did not know they would be fighting the champion, until shortly before the fight took place.

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Watched the video and it i really thought this would be ancient history, and it mostly is but i had trust in regulators that they could weed rigged matches out completely and it would only happen on some low level fights anymore. But who knows, maybe i was naive, because even if that gets harder and harder to cover up, we still have a doping problem that's apparently happening all the time as so many people get caught, so why would it be any different with rigged fights.

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Quote from: electronicash on November 23, 2022, 02:17:24 PM

Does MMA Have A Gambling Problem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK2zv1DjkAQ

in every broadcast of the fight, MMA experts the likes of Jon Anik and DC provides analysis of what happen and who they thought won the round while odds are also flashed sponsored by sportsbookie like Draftkings. the video take a closer look at the relationship between gambling and combat sports to see what lies ahead for mixed martial arts while MMA sports becomes popular like boxing.

a lot of things said including the histoy how boxing and MMA started. i actually learn fighters, the team and even their family members are not allowed to bet on UFC bouts, i think was part of the code of conduct. because the general public now trust the system where there are no mafia or corruptions like rigged fights. will MMA have a gambling problem?

It would not surprise me if this has happened before at MMA, as even if it is forbidden by the code of conduct it is not as if people follow the rules all the time, probably one of the biggest scandals of this type was when Pete Ross received a lifetime ban from baseball in the year of 1989 because he was betting on baseball games involving the Cincinnati Reds, the team which he was coaching, he has appealed several times but since he basically confessed this was true it is likely the ban will never be lifted.

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I think that ruling is for majority of the sports. I saw an esports player posted about avoiding to bet just to avoid issues that has been made into their community before when the popular '322' thing.

It's probably part of their code of conduct for being professional athletes and maybe it's up to how many degree of their relationship to that relative that's not allowed to bet.

But, we still don't know what happens exactly if there are insiders that's part to their immediate family and spreads it over their community of bettors.

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Quote from: electronicash on November 23, 2022, 02:17:24 PM

Does MMA Have A Gambling Problem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK2zv1DjkAQ

in every broadcast of the fight, MMA experts the likes of Jon Anik and DC provides analysis of what happen and who they thought won the round while odds are also flashed sponsored by sportsbookie like Draftkings. the video take a closer look at the relationship between gambling and combat sports to see what lies ahead for mixed martial arts while MMA sports becomes popular like boxing.

a lot of things said including the histoy how boxing and MMA started. i actually learn fighters, the team and even their family members are not allowed to bet on UFC bouts, i think was part of the code of conduct. because the general public now trust the system where there are no mafia or corruptions like rigged fights. will MMA have a gambling problem?

I see no problem with the MMA gambling connections.

I believe that the problem is not really gambling in of itself, but rather the problematic people it attracts. For example, as you have already mentioned, there is a lot of crime and corruption within gambling, and some shady casino owners do not mind capitalizing on that, as long as they can get some extra profit. Its in human nature to be greedy and everyone has their own varying degrees of greed. Shady people do not shy away from using addiction and even creating addiction in people.

But again, these are all outside problems. Anyone with a rotten mind and heart will be rotten, even if they were selling medicine or apples. It does not matter. That does not cast a bad light on the MMA in my eyes.

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We can’t say all the fighters involved in the gambling.When some players was lagging with some financial problem,they may get into gambling for their personal benefits.Most of the boxer will play their game and try to make an new history.They mostly like to become a player with huge reputation in boxing.In recent days gambling became a cancer to the boxing and many of the sports.

Some black money was get into this gambling sites by the mafia.Some crypto project itself scamming the investors and get their money into gambling of real sports game like boxing.By this they will try to double their money.

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Does MMA Have A Gambling Problem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK2zv1DjkAQ

in every broadcast of the fight, MMA experts the likes of Jon Anik and DC provides analysis of what happen and who they thought won the round while odds are also flashed sponsored by sportsbookie like Draftkings. the video take a closer look at the relationship between gambling and combat sports to see what lies ahead for mixed martial arts while MMA sports becomes popular like boxing.

a lot of things said including the histoy how boxing and MMA started. i actually learn fighters, the team and even their family members are not allowed to bet on UFC bouts, i think was part of the code of conduct. because the general public now trust the system where there are no mafia or corruptions like rigged fights. will MMA have a gambling problem?

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