Topic: Does Roger Ver control the Bitcoin price? (Read 723 times)
Roger Ver wont control the Bitcoin price he tired bitcoin fork earlier which cause bitcoin price to fall later bitcoin recovered
Look at Craig wright, he sold thousands of bitcoin to drop the price, we are back up again. Which means they can influence it and even change it but can't control it, its in everyones' hands to actually control the bitcoin price
Craig Wright is a charlatan, a con artist, a clown, or whatever
But it is not just about price (or Craig Wright), even though it does ultimately come down to that (as the price, in turn, is the balance of supply and demand). You can influence Bitcoin indirectly in many subtle ways. For example, people en masse don't think that altocoins can eat away at Bitcoin's value but I for one think they are mistaken in that case
In this manner, you can massively affect Bitcoin via altcoins and more specifically Bitcoin Cash. The latter has turned into a good speculative vehicle. I trade it and it brings good profits. but isn't it what Bitcoin was famous for? My point is that making a good rival to Bitcoin in the form of an altcoin will inevitably affect its value and market valuation (price)
Though you open this thread somewhere in February, we can not really rule-out if he is controlling bitcoin pricing or not. I believe that this market is still very narrow and at the beginning stages and those early adopters can still manipulate it.
Agree, he is not directly controlling Bitcoin but, Bitcoin Cash gave a little bit negative impact to the original Bitcoin. This way makes new people a bit confused about which is the real one.
About 2 months ago Roger Ver spoke about the split of Bitcoin Cash and BSV.
Since then Bitcoin's price dropped from $6,500 to the $3,000 area.
Now he made a statement about supporting Bitcoin etc. etc. - and now we see the Bitcoin price is touching $3,600 hovering even towards $3,700.
So I would like to ask - does Roger Ver control the Bitcoin price?
If not - how come every time he says something extraordinary the Bitcoin price changes drastically?
Bitcoin is supposed to be free of any control but it seems like a few people have more control over it than others ... which is a huge drawback of Bitcoin in that case.
What do you guys think?
Though you open this thread somewhere in February, we can not really rule-out if he is controlling bitcoin pricing or not. I believe that this market is still very narrow and at the beginning stages and those early adopters can still manipulate it. Since then Bitcoin's price dropped from $6,500 to the $3,000 area.
Now he made a statement about supporting Bitcoin etc. etc. - and now we see the Bitcoin price is touching $3,600 hovering even towards $3,700.
So I would like to ask - does Roger Ver control the Bitcoin price?
If not - how come every time he says something extraordinary the Bitcoin price changes drastically?
Bitcoin is supposed to be free of any control but it seems like a few people have more control over it than others ... which is a huge drawback of Bitcoin in that case.
What do you guys think?
Nobody could control bitcoin prices, they can influence it, they can change it but no matter what they do it will be short period of time.
Look at Craig wright, he sold thousands of bitcoin to drop the price, we are back up again. Which means they can influence it and even change it but can't control it, its in everyones' hands to actually control the bitcoin price.
It is a p2p system and one person can have only so much power, without any centralized work there would be no one person that can control it, that is why people love bitcoin, it is out of everyones' reach as well as in everyones' hand at the same time. If you think about it bitcoin even has a bit of communism in it as well, like its equal chances for everyone but never more than others for one person.
Look at Craig wright, he sold thousands of bitcoin to drop the price, we are back up again. Which means they can influence it and even change it but can't control it, its in everyones' hands to actually control the bitcoin price.
It is a p2p system and one person can have only so much power, without any centralized work there would be no one person that can control it, that is why people love bitcoin, it is out of everyones' reach as well as in everyones' hand at the same time. If you think about it bitcoin even has a bit of communism in it as well, like its equal chances for everyone but never more than others for one person.
People cannot be influence easily now, they think more matured compared to the past, maybe they learn a lot because of last year's long drought.
Now, bitcoin has increased and stable again, I think most of us are already believing it's time for the market to recover and rise again, old names cannot influence anymore but new names with big influence can,... but FUD is over, it's time to hype the market again.
Now, bitcoin has increased and stable again, I think most of us are already believing it's time for the market to recover and rise again, old names cannot influence anymore but new names with big influence can,... but FUD is over, it's time to hype the market again.
I also don't think he can control the price, to control the price of bitcoin will be need the money from a lot of millionares people and even so they will not risk and put all money on bitcoin.
He can possibly control the market if he owned thousands of bitcoin. If ever that was true, he can do whatever he wants with the market like pump or dump. But I can also say that it is also possible that it was just a mere coincidence. We can never tell unless we can prove that he is one of the so called "whale" in crypto market.
And if you've been around long enough you know he has exactly that, not just thousands, think tens of thousands, if not hundreds.
He can possibly control the market if he owned thousands of bitcoin. If ever that was true, he can do whatever he wants with the market like pump or dump. But I can also say that it is also possible that it was just a mere coincidence. We can never tell unless we can prove that he is one of the so called "whale" in crypto market.
No one can control the free market including roger ver himself, the truth though is that anyone with status in the society can influence the price by causing a FUD news either positively or negatively but it won't stay for so long. I don't think it was because of what roger ver said that drove the price of bitcoin up but because it's time for a bull run. It's just a coincident.
As far as I know no one can control the price of bitcoin but it seems all whales can do it. Maybe you can control the price of bitcoin if you have lot of it but if you don't have you can't control. So I think Roger Ver can manipulate or control the price of bitcoin if he have lot of it.
We can call Ver "influencer", but to control the market price of the biggest crypto out there is a over statement. They have their own agenda when they pushed their so-called hash war, that has impacted the market price to literally go down the drain but for me this is not control, but just the negative effects of their action, nothing more.
Lol. He can't even control the decline of bch. Roger ver's influenced i think has waned already over the year and though he still has quite a following, he certainly doesn't have any control over the market in general.
As far as I know no one can control the price of bitcoin but it seems all whales can do it. Maybe you can control the price of bitcoin if you have lot of it but if you don't have you can't control. So I think Roger Ver can manipulate or control the price of bitcoin if he have lot of it.
We can call Ver "influencer", but to control the market price of the biggest crypto out there is a over statement. They have their own agenda when they pushed their so-called hash war, that has impacted the market price to literally go down the drain but for me this is not control, but just the negative effects of their action, nothing more.
About 2 months ago Roger Ver spoke about the split of Bitcoin Cash and BSV.
Since then Bitcoin's price dropped from $6,500 to the $3,000 area.
Now he made a statement about supporting Bitcoin etc. etc. - and now we see the Bitcoin price is touching $3,600 hovering even towards $3,700.
So I would like to ask - does Roger Ver control the Bitcoin price?
If not - how come every time he says something extraordinary the Bitcoin price changes drastically?
No body controls the price of bitcoin and no one can, the price recovery is not because someone said so, yes they could manipulate the price by releasing negative news one after the other and that will have an impact on the market, the bitcoin cash and BSV split had a role in the market going down further because of the uncertainty on what will happen and the investors wont take risk if a situation like that is present and so is the reason the market went down. Since then Bitcoin's price dropped from $6,500 to the $3,000 area.
Now he made a statement about supporting Bitcoin etc. etc. - and now we see the Bitcoin price is touching $3,600 hovering even towards $3,700.
So I would like to ask - does Roger Ver control the Bitcoin price?
If not - how come every time he says something extraordinary the Bitcoin price changes drastically?
As far as I know no one can control the price of bitcoin but it seems all whales can do it. Maybe you can control the price of bitcoin if you have lot of it but if you don't have you can't control. So I think Roger Ver can manipulate or control the price of bitcoin if he have lot of it.
Quote from: https://ambcrypto.com/roger-ver-attacks-bitcoin-btc-accuses-the-worlds-top-cryptocurrency-of-censorship/
“If you enjoy censorship and having dissenting voices silenced, then BTC is the right crypto for you.
If you enjoy liberty, financial sovereignty, and open discussions, then Bitcoin Cash or just about anything other than BTC is the right crypto for you.”
If you enjoy liberty, financial sovereignty, and open discussions, then Bitcoin Cash or just about anything other than BTC is the right crypto for you.”
this clearly shows that he hates bitcoin
Well, it doesn't necessarily mean that he hates Bitcoin
It means that he tries to push his agenda for Bitcoin Cash, but having an agenda already means he is not honest and sincere. You wouldn't really expect true hate from an insincere individual. Anyway, he should be interested in Bitcoin's growth because without this growth Bitcoin Cash won't grow either. Apart from that, he most likely has real bitcoins himself (and probably a lot of them), so it is hardly the case he should in fact hate Bitcoin. He just tries to capitalize off it, nothing more (and nothing personal)
The fact that bitcoin is decentralized comes to play here. If bitcoin is so decentralized like we assume there are two options, either one person can't really change the price or one person could have power to move the price all by himself.
Now, there are arguments on both side, decentralized usually means not having the power to change the coin itself and not the price, which means lets assume there are 21 million bitcoins at max, one person can't make it 22 million and that is called decentralized but could move the price by just buying and selling wholesale (like buying OTC and selling on market which losses them a lot of money but also kills the market).
With that in mind the negative is there has been a lot of times when a whale sold a bunch of (thousands of) bitcoin all at once which dropped the price which means bitcoin can be controlled by one person since it can be manipulated that way. We really can't say which train of thought is the correct one.
Now, there are arguments on both side, decentralized usually means not having the power to change the coin itself and not the price, which means lets assume there are 21 million bitcoins at max, one person can't make it 22 million and that is called decentralized but could move the price by just buying and selling wholesale (like buying OTC and selling on market which losses them a lot of money but also kills the market).
With that in mind the negative is there has been a lot of times when a whale sold a bunch of (thousands of) bitcoin all at once which dropped the price which means bitcoin can be controlled by one person since it can be manipulated that way. We really can't say which train of thought is the correct one.
All those plebs coming out with absolute statements are fools really. Even if we were talking plain dollars to dismiss it outright is nonsense, dollars are digital and highly useful. To really point out the likely decline of a standard you must first accept why it is currently superior in usage but then why you believe there will be a trend change.
Just trash talking and dismissing other peoples work like he is does is barely worth even reading, its a waste of time and I'm receiving no insights from what are basically just rants
Contrast, compare, consider various points major and minor and sure I'll read any take down from just about anyone touting their crypto standard.
Just trash talking and dismissing other peoples work like he is does is barely worth even reading, its a waste of time and I'm receiving no insights from what are basically just rants
Contrast, compare, consider various points major and minor and sure I'll read any take down from just about anyone touting their crypto standard.
About 2 months ago Roger Ver spoke about the split of Bitcoin Cash and BSV.
Since then Bitcoin's price dropped from $6,500 to the $3,000 area.
Now he made a statement about supporting Bitcoin etc. etc. - and now we see the Bitcoin price is touching $3,600 hovering even towards $3,700.
So I would like to ask - does Roger Ver control the Bitcoin price?
If not - how come every time he says something extraordinary the Bitcoin price changes drastically?
Bitcoin is supposed to be free of any control but it seems like a few people have more control over it than others ... which is a huge drawback of Bitcoin in that case.
What do you guys think?
Since then Bitcoin's price dropped from $6,500 to the $3,000 area.
Now he made a statement about supporting Bitcoin etc. etc. - and now we see the Bitcoin price is touching $3,600 hovering even towards $3,700.
So I would like to ask - does Roger Ver control the Bitcoin price?
If not - how come every time he says something extraordinary the Bitcoin price changes drastically?
Bitcoin is supposed to be free of any control but it seems like a few people have more control over it than others ... which is a huge drawback of Bitcoin in that case.
What do you guys think?
all that you saw were coincidences, he has in the past helped to spread the word about bitcoin, but with the passing of time he has strayed from the path and lost credibility and reputation in the community, which is why I do not believe he has any influence on the price. look what he said days ago:
Roger Ver attacks Bitcoin BTC; accuses the world’s top cryptocurrency of “censorship”
Quote from: https://ambcrypto.com/roger-ver-attacks-bitcoin-btc-accuses-the-worlds-top-cryptocurrency-of-censorship/
“If you enjoy censorship and having dissenting voices silenced, then BTC is the right crypto for you.
If you enjoy liberty, financial sovereignty, and open discussions, then Bitcoin Cash or just about anything other than BTC is the right crypto for you.”
If you enjoy liberty, financial sovereignty, and open discussions, then Bitcoin Cash or just about anything other than BTC is the right crypto for you.”
this clearly shows that he hates bitcoin
Another conspiracy theory. It's funny how everyone likes to point out that Bitcoin is decentralized and independent and in the next moment the theory about one person controlling Bitcoin appears. To my opinion this is not possible, not even on the level of influence. Even some influental and powerful groups could hardly influence the Bitcoin price and for individuals this is out of the question
I can't say that I completely disagree with you
As it mostly depends on what we are to consider "influence" here, i.e. how much of the price change should be considered inconsequential and how much important. In this way, technically anyone can influence the price to a certain degree, but if you mean major changes on the order of dozen percentages, then only a few can do that, for example, top exchanges like Bitfinex (which regularly drive shorters mad by moving prices as much)
Another conspiracy theory. It's funny how everyone likes to point out that Bitcoin is decentralized and independent and in the next moment the theory about one person controlling Bitcoin appears. To my opinion this is not possible, not even on the level of influence. Even some influental and powerful groups could hardly influence the Bitcoin price and for individuals this is out of the question.
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