Topic: Does the NSA know who Satoshi is? - page 2. (Read 8768 times)

In game Battlefield 1942 there japanese bot called Satoshi. Forget his full name. Stop inventing deeper meaning to what was intended as cool sounding pseudonym. Like there is no really deeper meaning in Seppuku Fujitsu. But someone still might find a way to connect Seppuku Fujitsu to NSA

If NSA knows who Satoshi is then it might be safer for him to reveal that to whole world.

One thing is certain he lived around the Dutch, German border area at the time when Bitcoin was coded. And yes NSA do know him so what.

The name Satoshi Nakamoto has a deeper meaning.
In Japanese Satoshi translates into "clear-thinking; quick-witted; wise." "Naka" can mean "inside" or "relationship" while "moto" is defined as "the origin; the cause; the foundation; the basis."

So we have "clear-thinking" "inside" "the foundation."
 

Ummm, I'm pretty sure Satoshi is 3 individuals by the names of Neal King, Vladimir Oksman and Charles Bry. Fast Company did that investigation on the identity of Satoshi. They tracked it down to a patent filed by these guys 72 hours after the bitcoin.org domain was created.

Is this just a coincidence? Seems doubtful. (See the excerpt from Wiki below)

Satoshi Nakamoto (and the creators of Bitcoin) are either these three individuals OR they are closely tied to a larger group responsible for creating Bitcoin.

I don't believe the NSA created bitcoin because they do not care about currency. The CIA might have a need to create it, the way TOR was created by US Navy Research Lab. But then Treasury would be against and so would the federal bank. The thing is, as much as people (not us on bitcointalk) want to believe, government usually do not know what his left foot is doing that would make his right foot go the opposite way. Many Black box projects are so secret that referencing it or even think about them would send you in jail. Look at the reaction from Lavabit. Can't talk about it. So financing a bitcoin black box project would not cost that much compared to a Los Alamos project or keeping all those people fed at Area 51 for all those years.

This could simply be the "virus escaping the lab" type scenario.

This is like saying that Linux is always secure no mater what. US government uses Windows workstations and a lot of them for sensitive tasks. And how many Russian and Chinese moles there are infiltrated in NSA who know details about this supposed backdoor? Backdoor is too dangerous to implement because there is always chance that somebody will discover it by accident or other means.

I'm more inclined to think that NSA either does not know Satoshi's real identity or figured it out from information lying around in this forum.

Following the Yellow Brick Road will lead to Satoshi. The NSA is very good at following roads but they aren't to good at going through a field of poisonous daisies.

Someone specializing in fine arts sounds very likely to be "Satoshi Nakamoto".

NSA is well aware the only individual with sufficient command of crypto, econ, and English to be Satoshi is Mircea Popescu.

But the straightlaced suits there can't stand him and they're afraid he'll take over, so they leave him alone.   

Satoshi used Windows + Visual Studio, and Windows always had a backdoor, so...

Yes, but Satoshi is just a minor detail.

You did not understood correctly.

That occurred to me, also, but:

• they either screwed up initially and named it after one of their research projects, or
• "Satoshi Nakamoto" read the paper and used the name.

But, why would "Satoshi Nakamoto" use their name? At this point I think it most-likely was created by the National Security Agency (NSA) or one of the people who worked on the Satoshi paper. If I understood correctly, Bitcoin uses 2048-binary-digit-(bit) Rivest-Shamir-Adleman (RSA), which is susceptible to a Time-Memory-Data (TMD) attack. If they precompute the keys,they can also use them to attack Bitcon as well as all other communications secured using "short" Rivest-Shamir-Adleman (RSA) keys.



Yes, I know. It was at the bottom and the only thing left trapped in the jar / box as Pandora closed it, while all evils of the world escaped from the jar / box.

It would raise suspicion if they didn't...



Don't forget that one of the things in the box was Hope...

Most likely "Satoshi Nakamoto" read the paper – kind of like studying National Security Agencies' (NSAs') Security-Enhanced Linux (SE-Linux) – and built upon it.

Lol

This doesn't mention methods of coin generation or anonymity. They're simply discussing using cryptography to simplify existing payment mechanisms and boost security.

I can't see the government voluntarily giving up such a vast amount of power (the printing press) to the populace.

It's not the One-Time Pads (OTPs) themselves which are unbreakable. Instead, certain ciphers cannot be broken if the key is truly random. However, this does not mean that a One-Time Pad (OTP) is truly a one-time pad as a truly-random pad will have a likelihood of being truly-randomly generated again reversely proportional to its' length. What this means is if the length of the pad is 1 binary digit (bit), then the next pad has a 50% chance of being the same; if the length of the pad is 2 binary digits (bits), then the next pad has a 25% chance of being the same; and so on. The name One-Time Pad (OTP) is misleading. From this moment on, I shall call such devices Truly-Random Pads (TRPs) as true randomness is their significance.

However, true randomness does not exist. You see, all particles in existence are at a certain position. From that position, the laws of physics dictate their motion. Therefore, all events in space are preset at this moment. In order to determine and/or alter the future of an isolated system, one would have to reside outside of it. I have observed this in 1997 or 1998 when analyzing something beyond your wildest imagination – it is one of my PANDORA-grade projects; PANDORA designating that it should never be made as it converges towards a collapse of the space-time system we're in, with extinction event being a mild term for the outcome.

None of the referenced crypto experts is Satoshi. Satoshi is certainly very familiar with the "CRYPTO, EUROCRYPT" book series from the Springer-Verlag going all the way back to the 80's.

And yes they do know who he is, so what.

This is one of the people. I don't think this being is the only one man stuff. Why the being is exposed to public? What is the purpose?

have to agree with the above.

recent government action (liberty city raid, mt. gox account freezes) would suggest that the government is increasingly becoming aware of bitcoin. this is likely due to the sudden recent uptrend in interest in bitcoin. that confidence in bitcoin is rising, it would be foolish for the government to stand idly and watch the dollar devalue against the bitcoin.

alternatively, (im about to go out on the limb that sometimes you can't come back from), the wealthy elite are becoming increasingly aware of bitcoin for other reasons.
bitcoin creates a unique opportunity for rapid socioeconomic movement through class.

now, lower and middle class participants can hide wealth from government audit in a secure way without extensive legal expertise or large investments

now, low and middle class participants can assemble investment portfolios (again untaxed) with minimal cost of entry and returns that are seemingly impossible in the current market

this obviously will not jive with those that would determine the fiscal direction of the country. given that legislature in this country is mostly driven by the lobbying system, you'll oft find that fiscal policy supports the preservation of old wealth.

so, does any government have a hand in the creation of bitcoin? i doubt it severely. bitcoin seems to be a social revolution that a bunch of math/social engineering guys with a libertarian agenda cooked up.

methinks they (biggest brother) have been aware of it for longer than we suspect however. because i dont think bitcoin was the original idea. it was the final iteration of the idea that we all get to see. that started way before 2009. satoshi is a movement, a social philosophy against fiat.  im pretty sure the government, many different governments, are aware of the identities of the "founding fathers".

these are the reason i love BTC and i fear for its future


and, to put the final layer of paranoid icing on the crazy cake:
the nsa pays very special attention to this board, that it is one of the most public forums of thoughts/knowledge/experience concerning bitcoin. this forum IS the public opinion of bitcoin.