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legendary
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December 17, 2014, 06:40:29 AM
#23
I knew someone was trying to kill my family I'd show up to defend them, it's that simple for me, if people are dead they're dead, going around and taking revenge on people who may or may not be involved just makes you a rampaging lunatic.

Also, make myself look better? LOL Tongue I post stuff that I know pisses of people like you because it goes against what you believe, that's not what people who are trying to pander to a certain group do. Don't try and pigeon hole me into your own belief system and world view, I don't fit in there so neatly.
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 06:36:59 AM
#22
I dont feel bad when I hear that the US is torturing terrorists.

They have planned or executed a attack on innocent civilians..
Then they get what they deserve.. Does not matter if its a terrorists or a pedofile.



You won't be thinking that if you're ever snatched up by them, fact is innocent people have wound up getting tortured and tortured people will confess to anything to make the pain stop, so calling it effective is just stupid especially if they'll just tell the torturers what they want to hear and then a real disaster happens despite them torturing people.

Read once agian..

I say that I have no problem with terrorists being tortured.. Yes, mistakes happen.. And this kind of mistakes should never happen..

But if you catch a terrorist that is prepping for an attack or was captured during an attack.. All I have to say is make him suffer.


I read it again, you're still a violent psychopath and a cunt.

Violence does not solve anything.. Its how I feel about those fuckers.. Its not how it should be done.

Are you still the same person posting? I think some people on this forum are definitely deranged quit trying to justify your own bullshit, we all know you're a torture loving sadist.

Says the one who is throwing shit around to make himself look better.
I think they deserve it.. Is that wrong?
If someone killed your family just because they did not believe in the same thing as you do.. Would you not want revenge?
Would you not want them to suffer?

Torture is wrong.. No matter how you put it, I know that.
Im just saying its what I think that they deserve... Not what should be done.
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 06:26:00 AM
#21
I dont feel bad when I hear that the US is torturing terrorists.

They have planned or executed a attack on innocent civilians..
Then they get what they deserve.. Does not matter if its a terrorists or a pedofile.



You won't be thinking that if you're ever snatched up by them, fact is innocent people have wound up getting tortured and tortured people will confess to anything to make the pain stop, so calling it effective is just stupid especially if they'll just tell the torturers what they want to hear and then a real disaster happens despite them torturing people.

Read once agian..

I say that I have no problem with terrorists being tortured.. Yes, mistakes happen.. And this kind of mistakes should never happen..

But if you catch a terrorist that is prepping for an attack or was captured during an attack.. All I have to say is make him suffer.


I read it again, you're still a violent psychopath and a cunt.

Violence does not solve anything.. Its how I feel about those fuckers.. Its not how it should be done.

Are you still the same person posting? I think some people on this forum are definitely deranged quit trying to justify your own bullshit, we all know you're a torture loving sadist.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
December 17, 2014, 05:49:55 AM
#20
It makes people feel good that some "terrorist" is getting tortured. Those people then turn around and give control over their own lives and money to people who can make that torture happen. Those people receive the power, they use it on whatever they want, spend money on wars and torture and use that power to continue to get more and more power. They can then widen the definition of "terrorist" at will to include those that do not agree with them or get in the way of them obtaining more power. They can spin it using propaganda to make it sound like the victims deserve it, making people once again feel good about the torture giving up even more power.

Eventually it turns from feeling good about the torture to being fearful that you might come under the definition of "terrorist". Then you are under their full control. By then it is too late.
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 05:49:42 AM
#19
It doesn't help, people outside think that it won't happen to them and the ones that have to be tortued have fear close to insanity.
It's just retared system of showing "i have the power i can do whatever i want"...and that isn't right.
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 05:44:11 AM
#18
Over the decades, psychologists have figured out ways for you, the torturer, to ask questions of your torturees, to elicit the answer you want to hear from them

Perfectly right. The prisoner will tell the torturer anything (truth and lies) that he thinks the torturer wants to hear. He just wants it to stop.
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 05:41:11 AM
#17
Torture works...if you are the one torturing and enjoy it. Or if you give the orders and somehow feel proud that you are helping your country.

It's all about helping people feel good right?

Its about punishing the bastard who killed innocent people.

Woman, children and elders who are not able to defend themselfs.



You seem to know that everyone in Guantanamo is a murderer... I wonder how you come to this conclusion?

These guys didn't even get a process, the weren't prosecuted. But hey, they're all terorists so it's OK... Yes, many of them are, and they should spend their life in jail.
But of course the CIA is always right and doesn't kidnap and torture innocent guys.  Roll Eyes

Jeez I get spasms when reading this thread.

Read my post, two posts up.  Smiley
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 05:37:51 AM
#16
Torture works...if you are the one torturing and enjoy it. Or if you give the orders and somehow feel proud that you are helping your country.

It's all about helping people feel good right?

Its about punishing the bastard who killed innocent people.

Woman, children and elders who are not able to defend themselfs.



You seem to know that everyone in Guantanamo is a murderer... I wonder how you come to this conclusion?

These guys didn't even get a process, the weren't prosecuted. But hey, they're all terorists so it's OK... Yes, many of them are, and they should spend their life in jail.
But of course the CIA is always right and doesn't kidnap and torture innocent guys.  Roll Eyes

Jeez I get spasms when reading this thread.
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 05:37:16 AM
#15
While torture doesn't work all of the time, it works most of the time. Here is part of the way it works, especially at places like Guantanamo.

Often you don't know if the person you are torturing knows anything or not. Maybe he doesn't know even the least bit about the things you are questioning him of. He is still useful for you. Here's how.

Your political masters - the people who are your bosses - want confessions along certain lines. They don't care if the confessions are the truth or not. They simply want the confessions in a certain way so that they can use them for political purposes - to propagandize the "free" people.

Over the decades, psychologists have figured out ways for you, the torturer, to ask questions of your torturees, to elicit the answer you want to hear from them, in the way you want to hear it. In other words, you want to ask them questions in such a way that makes it look like you are asking them legitimate questions. What you are really doing is feeding them the answers that you want them to "confess" to so that you get a confession that you can use as propaganda, whether or not the particular torturee has any knowledge of what is going on regarding the thing that you are questioning him about.

This is part of the reason why the Guantanamo prisoners have been kept for so long. They have been going through classes - torture classes - that have turned them into good subjects out of whom the torturers can get the confessions that they want to hear, to use for propaganda purposes. The training takes a long time. Some torturees die from it. But it has to look real. So, when you get a batch of torturees trained, you don't want to let them go unless you absolutely have to.

In the event you don't think this is true, just consider the police, especially in big cities. You have probably heard the term "good cop, bad cop." That's where two cops get on your case. The bad cop accuses you (to induce fear into you) while the good cop sticks up for you (to make it look like he is your buddy, helping you). What they are both doing is trying to elicit the confession that they want to hear out of you.

This cop thing is torture. It is a mild form of Guantanamo. If the laws weren't so strict with regard to using torture on U.S. citizens, the cops wouldn't have to resort to such complex tactics. They would simply go and beat it out of you... whatever they wanted to hear... truth or not. They often do this right now. I bet there are some forum contributors who have had this experience.

So, yes. Torture works. But very often it isn't being used for the purposes that the general public thinks. Rather, it is being used to propagandize and manipulate the public through false confessions that look real.

Smiley
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 05:29:37 AM
#14
I dont feel bad when I hear that the US is torturing terrorists.

They have planned or executed a attack on innocent civilians..
Then they get what they deserve.. Does not matter if its a terrorists or a pedofile.



You won't be thinking that if you're ever snatched up by them, fact is innocent people have wound up getting tortured and tortured people will confess to anything to make the pain stop, so calling it effective is just stupid especially if they'll just tell the torturers what they want to hear and then a real disaster happens despite them torturing people.

Read once agian..

I say that I have no problem with terrorists being tortured.. Yes, mistakes happen.. And this kind of mistakes should never happen..

But if you catch a terrorist that is prepping for an attack or was captured during an attack.. All I have to say is make him suffer.


I read it again, you're still a violent psychopath and a cunt.

Violence does not solve anything.. Its how I feel about those fuckers.. Its not how it should be done.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
December 17, 2014, 05:27:09 AM
#13
I dont feel bad when I hear that the US is torturing terrorists.

They have planned or executed a attack on innocent civilians..
Then they get what they deserve.. Does not matter if its a terrorists or a pedofile.



You won't be thinking that if you're ever snatched up by them, fact is innocent people have wound up getting tortured and tortured people will confess to anything to make the pain stop, so calling it effective is just stupid especially if they'll just tell the torturers what they want to hear and then a real disaster happens despite them torturing people.

Read once agian..

I say that I have no problem with terrorists being tortured.. Yes, mistakes happen.. And this kind of mistakes should never happen..

But if you catch a terrorist that is prepping for an attack or was captured during an attack.. All I have to say is make him suffer.


I read it again, you're still a violent psychopath and a cunt.
legendary
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Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
December 17, 2014, 05:25:40 AM
#12
Torture works...if you are the one torturing and enjoy it. Or if you give the orders and somehow feel proud that you are helping your country.

It's all about helping people feel good right?

Its about punishing the bastard who killed innocent people.

Woman, children and elders who are not able to defend themselfs.

See...this guy probably feels good about torture too.

Good feelings...

torture works
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 05:22:11 AM
#11
Torture works...if you are the one torturing and enjoy it. Or if you give the orders and somehow feel proud that you are helping your country.

It's all about helping people feel good right?

Its about punishing the bastard who killed innocent people.

Woman, children and elders who are not able to defend themselfs.

legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
December 17, 2014, 05:13:28 AM
#10
Torture works...if you are the one torturing and enjoy it. Or if you give the orders and somehow feel proud that you are helping your country.

It's all about helping people feel good right?
legendary
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Merit: 1000
December 17, 2014, 05:07:05 AM
#9
I dont feel bad when I hear that the US is torturing terrorists.

They have planned or executed a attack on innocent civilians..
Then they get what they deserve.. Does not matter if its a terrorists or a pedofile.



You won't be thinking that if you're ever snatched up by them, fact is innocent people have wound up getting tortured and tortured people will confess to anything to make the pain stop, so calling it effective is just stupid especially if they'll just tell the torturers what they want to hear and then a real disaster happens despite them torturing people.

Read once agian..

I say that I have no problem with terrorists being tortured.. Yes, mistakes happen.. And this kind of mistakes should never happen..

But if you catch a terrorist that is prepping for an attack or was captured during an attack.. All I have to say is make him suffer.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
December 17, 2014, 04:12:20 AM
#8
I dont feel bad when I hear that the US is torturing terrorists.

They have planned or executed a attack on innocent civilians..
Then they get what they deserve.. Does not matter if its a terrorists or a pedofile.



You won't be thinking that if you're ever snatched up by them, fact is innocent people have wound up getting tortured and tortured people will confess to anything to make the pain stop, so calling it effective is just stupid especially if they'll just tell the torturers what they want to hear and then a real disaster happens despite them torturing people.
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 03:14:17 AM
#7
I don't think so.
People will confess anything under torture, true or lie.
In fact, it seems that torture didn't help CIA to prevent even one terrorist attack since 2001.

Got anything that proves that?

"In fact, it seems that torture didn't help CIA to prevent even one terrorist attack since 2001. "

I think it have helped.. Several times..
And a terrorists is a terrorist.. Shot them, torture them or beat them to death.. I dont mind it..
Those fuckers deserve it.
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 03:05:57 AM
#6
I don't think so.
People will confess anything under torture, true or lie.
In fact, it seems that torture didn't help CIA to prevent even one terrorist attack since 2001.
legendary
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December 17, 2014, 02:13:12 AM
#5
I dont feel bad when I hear that the US is torturing terrorists.

They have planned or executed a attack on innocent civilians..
Then they get what they deserve.. Does not matter if its a terrorists or a pedofile.

hero member
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December 17, 2014, 12:12:48 AM
#4
Does torture work?

As a question this compares to "Is slavery commercially feasible?" & "Can genocide help overpopulation?"

Shame on the US for torturing prisoners....

I think they would justify it under "greater good" argument.
The US should probably stop lecturing other countries about human rights, now that we know that they consider torture as a legitimate interrogation method.
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