Topic: Doesn't Maidsafe deprecate basically EVERYTHING? (Read 2774 times)

Huh... maidsafe is fully decentralized. Decentralization = not depending on a particular entity that hosts the sum of the parts of something. In this case, the sum of the parts is the maidsafe network and everything that is hosted under it, and every single computer is part of it, in a way, just like freenet. So you are saying freenet is not decentralized? because thats nonsense.

MaidSAFE isn't an altcoin really.  It does contain an altcoin.   But it is mostly a new internet and a new Cloud platform that will change everything.

Currently Storing private keys is one of the biggest issues with Bitcoin.   MaidSAFE will provide a nearly HackProof solution to that.   MaidSAFE will also provide a very efficient method to store the blockchain.   

MaidSAFE, if it comes to fruition will change everything  -- Including Bitcoin -- And for the better. 

Here is Bitcoin discussion and not any altcoin. Hope this thread gets moved to the right section.
Really why this thread with that headline got opened here???

Okay so what exactly is not centralized?  The transaction managers?  The vault managers?   You could be a bit more specific if you really know what you are talking about.   

What exactly do these MaidSAFE servers do?   Who runs them? where are they?  MaidSAFE has servers now that serve their web pages and marketing material, but they have nothing to do with the code..  The code is on GitHub, and all of the services the network provides will be on the network by the consensus of clusters of peer to peer nodes.  There are no central servers.

I have downloaded, reviewed and run much of the code, and I think you have no clue what you are talking about?

The code works in test.  it is not ready for release yet. There are lots of things left to improve and enhanced, and peer to peer software is very difficult to upgrade once it is in the wild -- You need consensus to make any protocol changes, and that is hard to get.   They say 1-3 weeks before a developer pack is ready..  Knowing the process, I translate that to within 90 days.  But you can download and see the progress every day.  Anyone who claims this is Vaporware is ignorant of the truth and is just making stuff up because it is plausible. 

Thanks for that in-depth explanation. The MAID lost me at 'byzantine fault', and then I ran off with storj.

It's back to the Bitcoin show for me.

It stands for Massive Array of Internet Disks. SAFE means, Secure Access For Everyone. Here's a video explaining the project: Maidsafe Technology Overview



  

Then respond instead of being a hypocrite if you think you know best? What about the response above?

I have to say....spot on. You can smell the stupid on that forum... compare that to the level of technical knowledge on ethereum boards for example. Miles and miles away.

Typical Maidsafe forum response to probing/challenging technical questions:

- You just "didn't read the docs"
- If from Irvine/devs -- "we need to focus on code", no time to answer these kinds of questions - toodiloo (and then dude goes off on a lengthy rant a topic later).

Weird bunch.

Maid ?

Hello everybody, I'm volunteering a bit for Maidsafe. I would like to make some points after reading this topic.

Maidsafe is the company/organisation that's creating "Safenet" or "the SAFE Network". It is fully decentralized using no central servers. When you "log on" to the network, you're actually asking for a personal-file. How does that file come to your computer? Well, your username + PIN (and some "salt") will create a hash. And that hash is the address of your personal file. It comes to your client and only you on your computer can decrypt it using your password. In that file is the data-atlas to all your personal files that you stored on Safenet.

All files on the network are "Chunked" and than encrypted using "self-encryption". After that, they're routed over the network. With different layers of encryption (using PKI between nodes) no one has a clue what you're storing in the network. When you request that file again, others will provide you the Chunks and it will come back to you. Again, no central servers.

Safecoins are used to pay people who actually store Chunks on the network in their "Vaults". They get paid after they provide a Chunk to the network. So, Bitcoin has miners, but Safenet will have "Farmers".
Safenet doesn't have a blochchain. Safecoins are more like digital cash. They can be paid to someone within a second. No transaction fees.

Here's the Wiki with a lot of info:

https://safenetwork.wiki/en/Main_Page

And here's the forum where all questions are answered:

https://forum.safenetwork.io

This topic does seems like it should be moved to another sub-forum ...

SAFE is more like I2P and Freenet than bitcoin IMO. The first paragraph is largely fluff and non-sense - Freenet wasn't meant to be a decentralized internet? Its goal is to provide a decentralized data storage network! How is that not decentralized internet at the core of its design? And I2P has many of the same goals too. The biggest difference with SAFE is the crypto-currency, and it gets a little murkier from there. Someone would have to dig into all of the projects some more for a detailed response.


Maidsafe is not intended to "cut out ISPs and governments" - it is a DHT based system, similar to bittorrent, and therefore requires a lower level routing layer. Maidsafe could be combined with a wireless mesh network technology, which would could cut out the ISP entirely. However, it would be the mesh network subverting the ISP, and not Maidsafe directly.

So, from what I gather this project is still not operational, right?
Well, maybe that's the reason people aren't talking about it.
That and maybe the fact that it had an IPO/ICO which they sold 430mil coins (or $6mil at the time).
A lot of people tend to think of IPOs/ICOs as scams and with good reason considering the massacre that goes on in the alt coin forums
True story....

Anybody know when this will be operational?

From what I've read on SAFE, user data is stored in a decentralised manner because users themselves provide storage, much like Tahoe-LAFS. Due to the inherent unreliability of this design, the network ensures multiple copies of the data exist on the network to minimise the chances of data being lost.

Contacting and inviting maidsafe.net to clarify in this thread.

http://maidsafe.net/farmers

Can we truely have a global internet that cuts out the ISPs and governments?

If you haven't heard about the net neutrality issue -- then this would be what solves the problem once and for all?

Or do we hand over more power to the governments, or the businesses? The fight for more power over the internet is now between all governments, businesses, and individuals.

In the end 2 out of 3 can always be readjusted.

When you create a global support for a global problem, I think nothing is ever going to out weigh us as individuals. In effect, government and businesses must abandon this selfish desire for more power over said individuals.

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That's your rebuttal?

It's an interesting conversation. So far, as a person who has never looked into Maidsafe (myself), I can only see that Franky is right. Even the OP has disappeared.

I'm open to being convinced otherwise by a clear explanation of how it works.

I think it is you that doesn't understand maidsafe but please continue this conversation.

One thing is certain - a new internet cutting out ISPs will be the future. Probably a good bit in the future, and probably reliant on things such as if Bitcoin matures enough for people to understand why they should use it.

Both would compliment each other, whether for good or bad.

The strong desire to recreate the internet exists more from individuals than current businesses and governments.

Money. Jobs.

The agreement would have to be -- cutting out massive amounts of jobs is better in the long-run, where these people now need to change/adapt into a new work setting -- an adjustment to the global economy.

Country laws do not matter in a global internet for work. We all employ our self after all..

Which type of work will benefit you and the economy most?

Replacing the need for more humans as if we aren't already populated enough. This is being done and will continue.

Labor jobs will suffer more.

Everyday man invests more trust in machine over man.

The funny thing about Maidsafe is that so many of its advocates don't have a small clue about what it is.  Fucking riot. 

Irvine is a mere swindler.

read it.
no blocks...

and the data is not decentralised.. its like saying that banks are decentralised because although the data is not on users computers.. there is data on computers managed by different branches of a bank in different towns.. so maidsafe is just a offshoot of cloudhosting under the false pretense of being a linked to bitcoin technology..

if the only thing that you think links maidsafe to bitcoin is cryptography.. then we might aswell say banks are cryptographic money too as their data is also secured using encryption..

encryption is nothing new or special.. but if its not on a blockchain that anyone can be part of.. then its no different to centralized  services that have been around for ages.

but i am sorry to ruin your advertising campaign..

Are you serious? I don't think you understand how maidsafe works and what can beachieved with it to claim that. You really think this is offtopic? It's all crypto after all and related to my question (im comparing technologies).

safecoin lost my interest at the bit where it said no bloat because safecoin confess its own storage...
in short.. they are just a upload website with a gimmicky way of having users access data to pretend to be decentralized..
its like saying to users its decentralized because all the users download a torrent program.. but all the seeds are on safecoins servers...
much like etherium and nxt are centralized coin holders pretending to be proper decentralized blockchains..
when will the world of the 1990's centralized mysql database lovers, ever learn..

i dont even understand why this is being blatently advertised on bitcoin/blockchain based forums.. when it has nothing to do with it