Topic: Doing scam for Using AI Tool in Signature Campaign (Read 1244 times)

I don't have any experience with that tool so I don't know how accurate it is, hence I've given that account only a neutral tag.
This should draw enough attention and I expect campaign managers will check this out.

I’m not DT either on my main account.

But why you can’t?

This is a clear cheating.

Maybe because this user is on your soft side?

The thing is, his feedback is almost useless and has no chance to ruin someone's reputation because he's not a DT member.

Sure you can say don't need to become a DT member to leave an appropriate feedback, there's might a DT1 user would include him on the trust list. But he already received a neutral feedback from other DT user, based on the explanation it seems his chance become a DT member is really small because other people would be skeptic and think he could ruin the DT system due to suspected as an alt account.

If that's the case, he can leave feedback from his other account.

If you keep this up, I'm going to have to come up with a nickname for you too

This is some kind of hybrid of LoyceV&Royse777

For years on this forum members have been writing very impersonal, general posts about whatever the subject of a thread is about, almost as if the thread title is an exam question to be answered in 125 characters or so.  That's always been the shitposters' MO since they basically don't care about what they're writing and probably don't have any personal anecdotes to share anyway.  But man, now that AI-generated writing has arrived it's pretty damn scary what could happen.

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The thing is, his feedback is almost useless and has no chance to ruin someone's reputation because he's not a DT member.

Sure you can say don't need to become a DT member to leave an appropriate feedback, there's might a DT1 user would include him on the trust list. But he already received a neutral feedback from other DT user, based on the explanation it seems his chance become a DT member is really small because other people would be skeptic and think he could ruin the DT system due to suspected as an alt account.

Others consider you're leaving an appropriate feedback when the case is definitely deserve 100% negative feedback e.g. scam someone or cheating. In this thread the case is about using AI in signature campaign, it's still subjective since there's no rule about plagiarism broke this forum rule or theymos said using AI is deserve to get negative feedback. This will make people think tagging negative feedback due to AI usage is harsh and if you're a newbie or not reputable user, you have a high chance to get distrusted.

While the respected or high account user did that, no one will talk about it and shut their mouth. It's true they already contributed a lot and almost of his feedbacks are correct, but a tiny mistake is still wrong. Why not distrust them? they have a lot appropriate feedbacks, fear of getting distrusted by them and possible of creating new drama.

Everyone has a mind of his own. Being in DT means others consider your reviews in trust system correct and appropriate, it doesn't mean you have to make a conclusion in every possible case. Not being in DT doesn't mean your reviews will not be taken in account. If I'm interested to know more about someone I will look through all reviews including untrusted ones.

So if you think that someone should be tagged you should do it yourself even if you are not in DT. If your review will be correct and appropriate someone else can decide to support you and leave the same tag, some can decide that you deserve to be trusted despite your tags. But if you don't do anything yourself but demand acting from others it's not the best way.

The thing is, his feedback is almost useless and has no chance to ruin someone's reputation because he's not a DT member.

Sure you can say don't need to become a DT member to leave an appropriate feedback, there's might a DT1 user would include him on the trust list. But he already received a neutral feedback from other DT user, based on the explanation it seems his chance become a DT member is really small because other people would be skeptic and think he could ruin the DT system due to suspected as an alt account.

If you believe someone deserves negative feedback: do it! Don't talk about double standards while you expect others to do the dirty work.

Here we go again with the double standard. A multiple account cheating on campaign deserves a negative feedback while an AI generated post will walk away with just 1 neutral tag.

Here we go again with the double standard. A multiple account cheating on campaign deserves a negative feedback while an AI generated post will walk away with just 1 neutral tag.

No hard feelings and no fatal crime in as much as the reason for the feedback is given.
I mean, if had a successful trade with Bob, the feedback will look somehow like this Traded by bitcoin to fiat, and he trusted me to send first,  the transaction was worth $2,000
This type of feedback is different from Alice who is a scam buster may have He is an active scam buster the forum, I trust him.

There is no guarantee that Bob will not scam and Alice will. Besides, anyone wanting to trade bitcoin to fiat will likely transact with Bob and not Alice.
The trust system is not complicated as we try to explain and use it.

Yes, it's okay, I deserve it, I'm also sorry for letting you down. Neutral tags as a reminder for me in the future to be even better.

I also didn’t think it was the best use of the trust system at the time, we are lucky he didn’t take advantage of that positive trust to enter a transaction with members of the forum, that would have been really bad.

This is irony. This is how the world going on. Someone exposing scammers doesn't mean he is trusted. He can scam someone else. Everyone waits for an opportunity to scam others. This should represent why you shouldn't give positive feedback to a scam buster just because he catches scammers.

This is irony. This is how the world going on. Someone exposing scammers doesn't mean he is trusted. He can scam someone else. Everyone waits for an opportunity to scam others. This should represent why you shouldn't give positive feedback to a scam buster just because he catches scammers. I have seen LoyceV's guide about the use of the trust system and feedback. I know some of us follow them and most of us don't.

I have seen a lot of users argue about that. Some forum members were actively looking to expose scammers (Which is good). But they intended to get DT inclusion and get some positive feedback from DT. I don't want to mention the name, but I have seen a DT member get more than 15+ Positive feedback just because he expose scammers. Which is not the correct use of feedback (In my opinion).

This is interesting, first the accused user exposed another user @Shan85 for double dipping in signature campiagn and now he's being accused of using AI to generate post to earn from signature.

It seems to me that you did not understand the essence of your mistake at all and it's not just about your dishonest attempt to earn $50 from a signature campaign.
Why did you think that it can be a constructive discussion if AI writes posts for you? Did you think that each of us knows how to use ChatGPT and we don't need an intermediary if we want his "opinion"?

I remember someone warned both of us, but we still proceeded to hand the positive feedback to the user for bursting scam
I didn't delete my positive feedback, rather I turned it to neutral while being able to capture the AI writing as a reason to change feedback from positive to neutral.

This user bursted an uncommon cheating of a signature swapper who earned from two campaigns simultaneously.
(Positive changed to neutral after accusation of AI posting) (Delete)

I remember someone warned both of us, but we still proceeded to hand the positive feedback to the user for bursting scam
I didn't delete my positive feedback, rather I turned it to neutral while being able to capture the AI writing as a reason to change feedback from positive to neutral.

This user bursted an uncommon cheating of a signature swapper who earned from two campaigns simultaneously.
(Positive changed to neutral after accusation of AI posting) (Delete)

I deleted my positive feedback it's very likely that he's using AI to create these posts 40% is already too high to consider a post using AI it's ironic for someone to catch a cheater when he himself is a cheater, but of course, we like to hear his side of the story.

Right now I don't know if the manager will give you a second chance in his other campaigns, but I think he is quite professional in how to follow up on your case. The rules have been made, so maybe you are not one of the participants who meet the criteria again in the future.

But I see most of the people commenting here didn't see when I joined the signature campaign and when I made a post with chatgpt AI.

on this occasion I will straighten it out a bit (but I still admit that what I did was wrong and not justified). the two posts that I use via Chatgpt AI are where I haven't joined any campaign and the other is on May 23, at which time I have already joined the BetterCallRaul.it signature campaign managed by royse777. but less than a week after I registered as a participant there, the BetterCallRaul.it campaign has gone into Pause status so I haven't been paid either. (Of course with my cheating I don't deserve to be paid)

Admin does not allow content written with AI for this forum.

The admin will not apply AI to a forum, any admin forum admin will not allow that,  the platform will try to have as much unique content as possible for generic traffic, if the admin will allow AI usage the search engine will not value a platform that is full of spam and its content copy pasted it will be relegated to second-grade site and will value more the source of the content.

And I'm grateful for the problem I'm having, I understand better and try to fix it and not repeat it in the future if I'm still given the chance.

Your advice should not only be for bbigtart but for all of us here the rules about the usage of AI applies to all who post here, whether you're in a campaign or not.

The admin will not apply AI to a forum, any admin forum admin will not allow that,  the platform will try to have as much unique content as possible for generic traffic, if the admin will allow AI usage the search engine will not value a platform that is full of spam and its content copy pasted it will be relegated to second-grade site and will value more the source of the content.

This is interesting, first the accused user exposed another user @Shan85 for double dipping in signature campiagn and now he's being accused of using AI to generate post to earn from signature.

It's surprising that you say that when you yourself have participated in a thread about the subject where people does not distinguish whether AI users wear a paid signature or not.

I don't see a distinction there as to whether the AI user wears a paid signature or not.

Nobody really cares even in this forum if you're using AI to create your posts as long as you're not wearing a sig and you don't get paid for copy pasting answers,

It should be treated the same as plagiarism. Asking an AI something then copy and pasting the response is just as bad if not worse than plagiarism because it's not as easy to detect, though the posts do kind of stand out...

but in this case he did it for money and in a campaign that openly prohibits that, so yeah, it's quite close to being tag worthy.

Let's go further down the chain. If you check the address of the OP, then the statistics show that he is not clean as a tear either.
If you check the address: 0x7519671882ccbc4aA7254EEf144d8D7B854F9C8d, which first appeared on the forum, then the owner of it is an account that is banned. True, the post itself was deleted, which is not surprising for cheaters. And accordingly, the OP violates the prohibition rule.
Nothing personal to the OP, but the facts speak of breaking the rule.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62316151

While here in the forum the debate focuses on how to stop AI from being used on it, outside this cave the debate is simply how it is already being integrated into our lives. The latest is that google is going to integrate it with the search engine. In the same way that first google lens came out and now you have it next to the search engine without having to go and open the App separately, the integration of AI with search engines will allow us to get more accurate information faster and with even less effort.

Your advice should not only be for bbigtart but for all of us here the rules about the usage of AI applies to all who post here, whether you're in a campaign or not.

In my opinion everyone who does a mistake for first time should be given a chance if the mistake is not of a damaging nature.

The user has done an inappropriate act and is guilty for that, he's also asking for mercy because he knows that the act he has done wasn't a good thing.

The best advice to bbigtart is to stop relying on ChatGPT and other such AI tools that can generate the text based on the questions. Do your own research and learn the topics deeply first and then answer it with proper knowledge and understanding without using artificial intelligence tools.

The user was probably aware but is hoping for mercy because he admitted guilt. Ultimately it's up to the manager what happens, but I think people found guilty of this should be excluded from campaigns for a certain period of time. Hard lesson but 1 that needs taught.

I admit that I was wrong. I used AI ChatGPT at first I didn't know it was strictly banned in forums. But these few days I just found out, coupled with this incident I also realized that what I did was wrong and fatal.

I'm still new to this forum, if it's a fatal and unforgivable mistake, I'll also understand.

For everything I apologize, especially for @Royse777 because I have made a mistake that caused many parties to suffer from my mistake. To be honest, if I realized from the start maybe I could get away from AI ChatGPT. But not all of my posts are the result of AI ChatGPT, only a few.

I am ready to accept the consequences of what happened to my account. Even if I am labeled neutral, I will accept it because it is my own fault. If I am given another chance I will thank you.

The debate reminds me of the people you would still meet years ago who refused to have cell phones because they said the powerful would have us monitored and such.

The pay grade for a bounty manager is only enough for them while adding extra employee that will check regularly each post will just an additional cost. Royse have a bounty program dedicated for busting this kind of cheating. I think it's already enough to bust them using the payment of the cheater.

Another example that the signature campaign BM's should work on their onboarding process and to save themselves of such scams. A good idea would be to hire an individual only to detect whether participants under their signature campaign are using AI.

I admit that I was wrong. I used AI ChatGPT at first I didn't know it was strictly banned in forums. But these few days I just found out, coupled with this incident I also realized that what I did was wrong and fatal.

This is interesting, first the accused user exposed another user @Shan85 for double dipping in signature campiagn and now he's being accused of using AI to generate post to earn from signature.

I have caught some users in the past using AI to generate post here in the forum and if I'm to use the same criteria or tools I used bask then to judge this present case then I'll say the accused is guilty, although I couldn't get chatGPT to generate a similar post for me just be copying and pasting the title of the thread like I did in previous cases.

But let's see what he has to say concerning this and if it turns out to be true then he's no different from @Shan85.
@Saira10 I saw that you dropped a post in the signature thread that the accused user participated in, you should also consider PMing the campaign manager and also @bbigtart for a quicker response.

You were accepted in the campaign of Royse and you didn't read the rules?

This is quote from the signature campaign post where you were selected as a participant and if you read it carefully then it's clearly written that the manager is strongly against AI generated text and use of AI-written text is totally prohibited in all campaigns run by Royse sir. I think almost every campaign manager is against AI-written text because the AI-written text is generated without an effort from the user, and most of the time the AI generator could cause trouble with wrong information.

I admit that I was wrong. I used AI ChatGPT at first I didn't know it was strictly banned in forums. But these few days I just found out, coupled with this incident I also realized that what I did was wrong and fatal.

I'm still new to this forum, if it's a fatal and unforgivable mistake, I'll also understand.

For everything I apologize, especially for @Royse777 because I have made a mistake that caused many parties to suffer from my mistake. To be honest, if I realized from the start maybe I could get away from AI ChatGPT. But not all of my posts are the result of AI ChatGPT, only a few.

I am ready to accept the consequences of what happened to my account. Even if I am labeled neutral, I will accept it because it is my own fault. If I am given another chance I will thank you.

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I deleted my positive feedback it's very likely that he's using AI to create these posts 40% is already too high to consider a post using AI it's ironic for someone to catch a cheater when he himself is a cheater, but of course, we like to hear his side of the story.

Can you add links through which we can verify that the text is written by AI, or at least send it to me in private, or I will send some texts to you? I see many posts that seem unrelated to the topic wording or closer to AI than a personal post.

He can be considered a scammer because he is getting paid to do the right thing and he is ripping his manager off money that comes from advertisers, if he is not a part of the campaign we can just call him spammer or forum rule breaker, but the fact that he is getting incentivized for posting and he has rules coming from bounty manager to follow, so he is a cheater and a scammer if proven guilty.

I also don't know if a user using AI deserves to be called scammer or not, but he's just dishonest and have no ethics about its quality which is not liked by any manager and many forum members in principle.

But let's see what he has to say concerning this and if it turns out to be true then he's no different from @Shan85.
@Saira10 I saw that you dropped a post in the signature thread that the accused user participated in, you should also consider PMing the campaign manager and also @bbigtart for a quicker response.

The @Shan85 case is of course very different from the case that was alleged against @bbigtart.

Hello Hhampuz, Sorry in advance if I saw it wrong and misjudged.

I saw on the Speandsheet @Shan85 not using the signature code Duelbits but he is receiving payouts every week. He also uses the signature campaign BetterCallRaul.it which is managed by Royse777. And there he also gets paid every week.

I do not mean anything. It's just that I don't think it's fair if he gets paid from two different signature campaigns every week.

I also don't know if a user using AI deserves to be called a scammer or not, but he's just dishonest and have no ethics about its quality which is not liked by any manager and many forum members in principle.

This is interesting, first the accused user exposed another user @Shan85 for double dipping in signature campiagn and now he's being accused of using AI to generate post to earn from signature.

But let's see what he has to say concerning this and if it turns out to be true then he's no different from @Shan85.
@Saira10 I saw that you dropped a post in the signature thread that the accused user participated in, you should also consider PMing the campaign manager and also @bbigtart for a quicker response.

This is interesting, first the accused user exposed another user @Shan85 for double dipping in signature campiagn and now he's being accused of using AI to generate post to earn from signature.

Scammer profile link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bbigtart-3431739

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