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Quote from: JohnBitCo on August 09, 2020, 06:10:22 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on July 30, 2020, 09:31:18 AM

Should we do the delay.

I think No.

There is no valid reason to delay the election. Also delaying will give unfair advantage to trump to prepare for the next elections. Majority of the americans would want the election to be held on time.

I agree. At the same time, if people are sincere, we should go back to manual counting, with the public allowed to watch the counting. All this computerized and mailed-in voting is open to fraud. As Stalin (mass murder of as many as 100 million of his own, Russian, people) said (or similar), "It's not he who votes that counts, but he who counts the votes."

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Quote from: philipma1957 on July 30, 2020, 09:31:18 AM

Should we do the delay.

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Quote from: Quickseller on August 06, 2020, 12:34:23 PM

There was no basis for Sessions to recuse himself

Sessions was involved with the Trump campaign for almost a year. The Trump Campaign was a subject of the investigation. Republicans and Democrats both called for his recusal pretty much immediately because it was clear: If the AG has close ties to a political campaign that is being investigated, he should not be involved with the investigation.

Quote from: Quickseller on August 06, 2020, 12:34:23 PM

just as we are now learning that there was no basis to start the investigations in the first place.

You must be talking about the another investigation into the investigators that's about to drop.

Don't forget, we already have all the indictments, the Mueller report outlining exactly how Russia was trying to influence the 2016 election and a bunch of ties between Russia and the Trump campaign, the 400+ page IG report criticizing the FBI but ultimately concluding the investigation was legal and not started because of or affected by political bias or any improper motivation, a few senate republican committees that agreed the Mueller report provided valuable information that will help secure future elections, I could go on...

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Quote from: Bitcoinsummoner on August 06, 2020, 06:21:28 PM

Quote from: kakonhat on August 05, 2020, 06:57:15 AM

I think he is afraid. He thinks he couldn't win the election, that's why he is trying to delay the election. Although he shows the reason for mailing voting issues.

I wish he should win once again and even I wish he should win more and more times until there is another joker. Though it is not possible to be a president in united states of America more than twice.

When you see the choices the American people are given, you can only hope for another "joke" politician to run ...

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Quote from: kakonhat on August 05, 2020, 06:57:15 AM

I think he is afraid. He thinks he couldn't win the election, that's why he is trying to delay the election. Although he shows the reason for mailing voting issues.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on August 01, 2020, 04:07:20 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on July 30, 2020, 07:54:11 PM

Trump has also faced near universal backlash on both sides of the isle. It appears Republicans are not supporting him on the issue of delaying the election. It appears this was an attempt to get the MSM to talk about the risks of voting via mail, but it also could result in him not getting the nomination next month.

I think it's more likely the tweet was an impulse and he's going to walk it back soon.

I think the tweet was poorly worded. He should have said that *congress should delay the election until...* instead of asking if the election should be delayed.

Quote from: Quickseller on July 30, 2020, 07:54:11 PM

Trump has historically played 4-D chess with his political opponents. This got him the nomination in 2016, and the presidency. He lost big in 2018, but this was in large part due to Sessions recusing himself.

Unless Sessions agreed to behave unethically and then chickened out it's really Trumps fault for not nominating someone unethical enough to not recuse themselves from an investigation they had a conflict of interest in,

There was no basis for Sessions to recuse himself, just as we are now learning that there was no basis to start the investigations in the first place.

Quote from: squatz1 on August 02, 2020, 01:31:11 PM

To QuickSeller - Highly doubt he is going to not get the nod in a month (whenever the convention is) He is still the sitting President, and still enjoys like 85-93 percent approval rating of the Republican party. If you take on Trump by trying to join the Never Trumpers (as a Republican) you're going to get slaughtered and lose your own primary.

Look at Session for godsake. Guy just lost his Senate seat that he held for a couple decades to a former football coach who was endorsed by Trump.

[not sure why you didn’t quote my post]

The idea would be that Trump willingly drops out of the race and endorses whoever gets the nomination. Trump has high approval ratings among Republicans, but is facing long odds to winning the general election.

Trump dumped I believe hundreds of millions of dollars into his campaign in 2016, but I don’t believe he has given anything to it this cycle. This may have to do with how badly his business are doing due to the coronavirus lockdowns.

I cannot stress how important this November will be to the country. A Biden win would almost certainly mean communism will spread to the US and the rest of the world.

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I think he is afraid. He thinks he couldn't win the election, that's why he is trying to delay the election. Although he shows the reason for mailing voting issues.

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Quote from: Vod on July 30, 2020, 06:22:39 PM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on July 30, 2020, 03:19:05 PM

With the above being said, there is also no reason to not have in-person voting with voter ID.

Reason: Thousands of hotspots where activists will harass people wearing masks.

Why can't the government digitize the voting system? Esp with all the verification options available.

Then how will they verify that it hasn't been tampered with by Russian hackers? Wink

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Quote from: de_ingenious on August 02, 2020, 09:01:24 PM

Somehow this guy manages to come up with new headlines everyday, making all the work for media

He is a joking channel instead of a president. He makes global people too much laugh. Among the president of not only united state of America but also the present of the world is worse and he is noting but only a comic character.

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Somehow this guy manages to come up with new headlines everyday, making all the work for media

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on August 01, 2020, 04:07:20 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on July 30, 2020, 07:54:11 PM

I think it's more likely the tweet was an impulse and he's going to walk it back soon.

Quote from: Quickseller on July 30, 2020, 07:54:11 PM

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Quote from: Bitcoinsummoner on July 31, 2020, 11:57:46 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on July 30, 2020, 11:35:57 AM

Maybe he was joking. Remember the very humorous bleach joke or the one about reducing testing? He's funny like that.

It is not new that TRUMP is joking. Trump is a top ranked joker which we are observing after the last president election. I have not seen any president who behaves such a joker.

Yes. He's trolling. Now he's suggested we should move the elections up.

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Quote from: iamsheikhadil on August 02, 2020, 02:31:39 AM

I don't think Trump has the power to do that. I think Congress has the power but then again it has to be approved by majority of party members and singed by the President etc so the chances of that happening is slim to none. And hence, the voting will be done on usual November. But this time voting will be different as this is extraordinary times already due to corona. Let's see how it all goes!

Trump can't delay the elections on his own, he needs the help for the congress. But since the republicans already stated they won't support any delay it's very unlikely since the democrats will never help Trump. The huge number of corona cases makes it obvious that the political reaction of Trump was wrong. And now with the second wave running around the world it will get even worse. I think Trump has to accept that many voters will vote by mail now.

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Quote from: Bitcoinsummoner on July 31, 2020, 11:57:46 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on July 30, 2020, 11:35:57 AM

Maybe he was joking. Remember the very humorous bleach joke or the one about reducing testing? He's funny like that.

It is not new that TRUMP is joking. Trump is a top ranked joker which we are observing after the last president election. I have not seen any president who behaves such a joker.

A joker maybe, but he delivered a great deal of what he promised.

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Quote from: Quickseller on July 30, 2020, 07:54:11 PM

I think it's more likely the tweet was an impulse and he's going to walk it back soon.

Quote from: Quickseller on July 30, 2020, 07:54:11 PM

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Constitution sets noon on Jan 20th as the last day for the President and Vice President. I believe congress ends early in January but can't remember the date. Congress sets the date of the election and it was set in 1845 and has never changed even in the time of war etc. So what would they delay it to? December? Not worth the effort to even consider it on their part since it all has to be over well before Jan 20th. So no, not going to happen.

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Quote from: suchmoon on July 30, 2020, 11:35:57 AM

Maybe he was joking. Remember the very humorous bleach joke or the one about reducing testing? He's funny like that.

It is not new that TRUMP is joking. Trump is a top ranked joker which we are observing after the last president election. I have not seen any president who behaves such a joker.

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I just read on BBC that Trump is postponing for fear of "forgery and inaccurate results"
Trump claims he is afraid of rigging the elections if voting takes place by mail, although there have been several US states using voting by mail for a long time.
I think Trump is dodging and trying to extend to gain more time after his popularity has dropped significantly and the Republicans know that and they do not support this delay and they have told Trump this, so in my view I think that we will not postpone the presidential elections.

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Quote from: Vod on July 30, 2020, 06:22:39 PM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on July 30, 2020, 03:19:05 PM

With the above being said, there is also no reason to not have in-person voting with voter ID.

Reason: Thousands of hotspots where activists will harass people wearing masks.

In the US, there are laws against campaigning within certain distances of polling sites. To account for social distancing, the boundaries that prohibit campaigning can be extended. These boundaries are generally respected, but when they are not, the offenders can be arrested.

Early voting can be extended, so people can vote early.

Quote from: Vod on July 30, 2020, 06:22:39 PM

Why can't the government digitize the voting system? Esp with all the verification options available.

Identity threft is prevelant to the extent that either hacked accounts, or accounts that were opened with stolen identities ~~are~~ were being sold on a bitcoin forum.

Fraud is a problem for banks and credit card companies. A lot of money is being invested in AI to detect fraudulent transactions. Sometimes this AI can be wrong and will tell a bank to decline a legitimate transaction. If a legitimate vote is declined, that voter will be disenfranchised.