Topic: Donate to Cøbra (pending court battle against Craig Wright) - page 3. (Read 1920 times)

A lawsuit about CSW's identity fraud (claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto) and copyright fraud (claiming copyrights for software and paper that are clearly released under MIT license by someone else) won't have anything to do with Cobra!
At the same time winning this (with good lawyers and spending some money) would put an end to all the other scams he will try to pull in the future.

OK, I felt sympathy for Cøbra to begin with. I understand that a message has to be displayed on bitcoin.org detailing the (absolute bull shit) court judgement which is fine, in the circumstances.

I am not happy about this though, as a UK resident when you go to install or upgrade Bitcoin Core Wallet you are met with this message -




Craig Wright & Calvin Ayre are now stopping people from running Bitcoin Core.

I’m sorry but this is unacceptable. This whole drama is because Cøbra wouldn’t defend himself in court.
I think it’s time that Cøbra passes ownership of the domain to somebody else. UK residents are now being restricted in their use of Bitcoin Core, it’s unacceptable. Cøbra hand over the website domain please, this is unacceptable.

... which would mean having to cough up Cøbra in a court of law which seems to be what some/most people here are trying to avoid. 

Imagine what further actions the lawyers might take against one or more people if they (their lawyers) are able to target individual people.  You front up to court to pat Cøbra on the back and wish them well and someone slaps YOU with a law suit because they are able to identify you as a counter claimant.

Are you ready for that?

I don't know if a class-action lawsuit is much different from what this Square led initiative is. There is this organization called COPA which has filed a lawsuit against his claim to The Whitepaper. Shouldn't that be enough?

The cringe and sheer disrespect in his words is obvious to those of us who have taken the time to read through Satoshi's posts and his interactions with his peers in the early days. Anybody with even an iota of decency and honesty would easily look beyond the slick image that worm of a man tries to project.
Yet, for idiots who are banking on his lunacy as a chance to get rich, shill for him with zero consideration for the truth and his obvious lies. We have all watched this scam playout in front of our eyes. On Twitter, the posts from their shills are A-grade shit. But like gmaxwell said, it takes a long time for conmen to be brought to justice. Its been only a few years of this charade and majority of the community, exchanges and businesses have already rejected faketoshi. All that remains is for a real world court to bring him to justice.

Alas it is blatantly obvious he didn't write any of the posts here by 'satoshi'
Read the 'satoshi' posts and read anything that scumbag csw has written.
An illiterate probably could tell the difference

From what I've seen from this scammer he wouldn't care if Satoshi signed a message today, he'll just turn it around and claim that "his" wallet was hacked, maybe even start a new lawsuit against the signer (ie. real Satoshi) claiming he is the "hacker"!

I liked the idea by @icopress, "a class-action counterclaim initiated by representatives of the Bitcoin industry". We already have a lot of big businesses too with a lot of money who can fund such a movement against this scammer. After all their business is also going to be affected by the scammer's actions.

There are still a lot of exchanges that list this scamcoin, including Huobi, Bithumb, Bitfinex, Bittrex, Kucoin, Poloniex and a lot of small insignificant exchanges. (source: coinmarketcap).

It would likely backfire.  They'd just play the "oppressed underdog" card.  Y'know, make a big song and dance about it, ask people to "support their struggle" and generally just provide them with more attention than they deserve.  Don't turn them into martyrs.  They'd have a field day with that.

If you want to hit them where it hurts, call for mass boycotts or any business, event, conference or publication that supports the-identity-thief-who-shan't-be-named, as anyone who openly supports him is either a morally bankrupt sack of human excrement or a gullible fool.  And, as others have mentioned, contact any exchanges you use frequently and ask if they can de-list that shitcoin if they haven't already done so.

It's better to repeat why BS coin is BS.  "Satoshi vision" lol, barf. Satoshi's vision was an uncensorable cryptocurrency.

If W is successful in stopping bitcoin because he hates the MIT licence 2.0 and that bitcoin.org is mentioned in the whitepaper, then he will have proven that he loves censorship, and that crypto is in fact censorable.

BS coin should be called anti-satoshi vision. Well, BS vision works too.

It is a bad idea ... and it's not even a matter of censorship, but the fact that every newbie or user interested in Bitcoin will be able to study the details and decide for himself whether the red tags and the warning flag are justified or not. Who the hell are we to take away from future bitcoiners the chance to experience the difference between bitcoin culture and a nominal forkcoin with its distorted vision.

And this reminds me....
I know that this forum is very open with the freedom of speech and obvious scams are not moderated. Still, maybe that Faketoshi Vision altcoin should no longer be allowed on BitcoinTalk. "Quid pro quo"

"Legally claim Satoshi coins".

this attitude is basically a confession that he is not the creator of Bitcoin.

Judges have no jurisdiction over the Bitcoin protocol and cryptography.
Will he attach "those high court documents", which declare him satoshi, into Electrum and sign a message? 

And even after all this drama, Satoshi may just sign a message of those coins saying "I am not Craig", demoralizing the entire high court and faketoshi. This is a dangerous move even to the high court.

This guy is a disgrace to the entire community.

It's true, but it won't stop as long as Craig Wright continues to fuck the judicial system, citing the fact that these or those lawsuits are not related to each other, (therefore, facts not relevant to the case are not subject to proof). In addition, facts known to the parties, but not known to the court, should be subject to proof, but due to the fact that Cobra refused to de-anonymize his identity, Craig's lawyers received a one-sided carte blanche to add facts from past court cases without conflicting content.

The court also makes logical mistakes, including a hasty generalization, which, as far as I understand, was made when Craig's statement was unilaterally added to the case, a statement in which he classifies BTC as an altcoin. This is the highlight of the judicial system ... the facts presented unilaterally are added to the case "as pertaining to the circumstances", and all other facts are discarded "as conflicting with the circumstances of the case".

One way or another, probably the easiest and at the same time the most difficult way to protect bitcoin from Craig is a class-action counterclaim initiated by representatives of the Bitcoin industry and not by Cobra, (the purpose of which will be to protect the public interest). So, one litigation can not only once and for all get rid of the attacks of this idiot, but prevent all future similar precedents. I mean that the court decision in this case will apply even to those subjects who did not know about the existence of such proceedings, (everyone who belongs to this BTC group by definition).

It's interesting that a few lower ranked users are speculating as to where Cøbra is and what they do etc., It's almost as though they were shills trying to elicit a response from the wider community to reveal any pertinent details that might expose Cøbra and their whereabouts.

I doubt that it is very accurate to give very much credit to gooftwat CSW regarding being any kind of mastermind of legal maneuvering. Of course, he likely has a lot of shit-stirring ideas (and skills) and areas in which to scheme and fraud people in a variety of ways, but he has the money backing of other lifetime scammer twats like Calvin Ayer and the employment of various teams of lawyer scammers that are hired to process the various papers and to help come up with a variety of ideas and theories in terms of throwing various monkey wrenches in the system weighing potential costs and benefits of certain kinds of legal filings (suits), filing of certifications, ways to defend lawsuits that they are brought into, getting public attention through the various nonsensical claims, taking advantage of loopholes or undeveloped areas of the law (especially in some of the new areas or new attempts at connecting old law and new happenings), whether some of the stances are stupid, contradictory or not, they can jam the courts, cause confusion and get benefits outside of the courts for how they are spun, including that some newbies and even CSW supporters will believe almost anything that seems "official." 

Whether sooner or later the justice system will catch up to the various scammers, fraudsters, narcissist and their team of scammers and hired guns might be another question.. .and surely even some folks on their team are unpaid supporters because they believe that BSV will rise in value, so even if their beliefs seem kind of stupid and ill-thought, there are enough of the unpaid (maybe some of them are paid, too) BSV supporters that will also support the cause, do some of the smoke and mirror work and spread the "good news" about BSV and craig wright. 

You would think that CSW et al would not be able to get away with as much as they have so far, but it is funny how having a pretty decently large team of legal strategists and even a mass following of retards (or retard wannabes) can help to divert some of the matters and to brainstorm about ways of not getting thrown in jail. 

For example in the Florida matter, when CSW is a defendant in a civil procedure, he is way less likely to get thrown in jail for making false claims through his various document submissions than if he were a defendant in a criminal matter, and he can also potentially get some advantages out of those legal submissions to the extent that they are made public (maybe under the theory that any publicity is good publicity), so we have to be careful in our own understandings of the various ramifications of the various ongoing and conflicting frauds that CSW has been committing, and which jurisdiction is going to take any of it on as a criminal matter, and perhaps some government jurisdictions actually kind of get some pleasures from the shit-stirring that CSW and his varying scamming team has been achieving in terms of creating another bitcoin attack vector angle and creating confusion in terms of what is bitcoin and how bitcoin is used.  There are a lot of smart people who believe that there are various bitcoins.  Not even sure if I can blame some of them on a superficial level for being confused.  (don't get me wrong.. I can blame a decent number of people for being confused if they actually look into the matter for a bit of time and still remain supposedly "confused" after being presented with the correct information.. but the level of blaming people for their level of dumb can really vary because without really engaging with someone for a while, sometimes we cannot really know if they are innocent in their level of getting sucked in by seemingly obvious misinformation).

You're absolutely right, but you should give the courts more credit. Even ones without the benefit of technical experts see through him if they're given enough time:

E.g. from a UK ruling:

The thing that will catch him here is that he keeps forging evidence and giving inconsistent/contradictory testimony.  For example, right now he claims that Satoshi never posted on the forum and that the posts here claiming to be by satoshi were written by other people (sometimes suggesting I wrote them)... yet in the past he claimed to have authored these posts.  He was saying other people were trying to out him as satoshi and dox him even while he himself was editing his blog to add provably backdated entries alluding to Bitcoin long ago.

So say someone claims to be Jesus reborn.  Well how would you disprove that?  Well you investigate and find that they've been sneaking into archives and adding fake records to history books to support their claims,  that they've been creating forged pieces of ancient cloth to support their claims, you look under their bed and find a pile of crib sheets that they were using to memorize the right things to say,  you put the screws to their confidants, and have them testify that that NewJesus told them it was a con. You investigate their miracles and find out they were light shows, and so on.

Why would NewJesus fake all that stuff if he wasn't a scam?

Or say someone is missing and you think their husband murdered them but you can't even find the body.  But you show the husband drove deep into the woods shortly after they went missing, that the husband recently bought a book on how to get away with murder, that the husband totally scrubbed and sterilized their car. You establish their motive. And so on.  Why would they do all that stuff if they weren't guilty?

Same goes for Wright:  No support for his main claim plus lots of provable fraud he engaged in while trying to promote his claim == adequately proved that his main claim was fraud.

The challenge convincing a jury would just be guiding them past his bamboozlement.  Fortunately, the main way he pulls that off in person doesn't work in court.  The way wright works is that if someone challenges him he throws a physical tantrum and begins screaming at them until they are cowed into retracting their challenge.  He can't do that in court (he actually tried once in Florida and was told he was going to go directly to jail if he had another outburst).

As far as Satoshi not showing up-- it's been a long time since we heard from him last in 2011.  If you make a reasonable guess about his age, consult an actuarial table, contemplate the *pandemic* -- it's not all that unlikely that he simply isn't alive anymore.  More than a couple early Bitcoiners I've known aren't. So even if you completely disregard how important protecting his privacy would be to him, it's not at all shocking that we haven't heard from him.

i think it would be hilarious if that court ordered fine were paid to the genesis block. after all satoshi (the real one) has the key to that addy, and it would (possibly?) satisfy the court order. because while even satoshi himself cant spend the 50 btc coinbase reward, he can spend all the stuff thats been sent there since.

although then again it would add some small amount legitimacy to his scam. so maybe not.

i believe this is called "malicious compliance" and im all for it when there are no other options.

If CSW has been found guilty of perjury, or a judge has fined him for making false statements, this is good for Cøbra because anyone who has a history of being punished for perjury is going to have little credibility in the courtroom.

I have honestly not closely followed most CSW cases, and haven't spent more than a half dozen hours (over the many years he has spent litigating various cases) reviewing related court documents. My experience is that CSW likes to take advantage of the lack of technical expertise by lawyers and judges, and will respond in a way that may not answer the question directly, but the answer looks favorable to him; the lawyers may not pickup on the difference between the question and answer because of the lack of technical expertise. This is more obvious to those who have at least intermediate expertise in how cryptography works and how bitcoin works.

I believe the above is why CSW is so willing to allow so much evidence of potential fraud to be out there, as it is obvious to experts, but not so obvious to those who may impose consequences for fraud. You may be right though, it is possible there is more bad stuff that CSW is hiding.


You are correct, I should have been more clear in my previous post that it needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that CSW lied under oath in order for him to be found guilty of perjury. People have been convicted of murder without a body, murder weapon, or a video.

I believe it would be difficult to prove someone guilty of perjury for claiming to be a particular anonymous person that is only known by their forum handle/alias without bringing that person forward.

When CSW first claimed to be satoshi, he provided evidence he was satoshi to Gavin Anderson, only that the evidence provided was deceptive and did not actually point to CSW potentially being satoshi (had CSW attempted to gain anything of value out of the meeting, it would likely have been fraud). While this interaction makes me believe that CSW is not satoshi, I don't believe it proves this. CSW could argue in court that he no longer has access to cryptographic keys that would prove satoshi's identity.

Make sure you post it alongside your choice of Bitcoin node software (e.g. bitcoin core, btcd, libbitcoin, etc) or more than one.  When people started posting the whitepaper previously wright tried to deflect the loss of face by saying that these people were really endorsing has scam bitcoin clone.  By posting it along with a node software mirror (ideally source code, since that's what people need to maintain their own copy) you will refute his deflection and protect the availability of the most important parts of the system.
 

Too sad that freedom has lost over a kangaroo court with this one. Hopefully @Cøbra will receive enough donations to help shoulder the fines and fees that @Cobra might incur in this bullshit case by Faketoshi. I have suggested on the other thread about this that we should have the copy of the whitepaper and then post it in our respective websites just to annoy CSW, also, will there be any implications if a lot of people were to do this that's from a different country?

Craig can claw it out of my cold dead heads.

https://notatether.com/bitcoin.pdf