Topic: Don't buy anything from BUTTERFLY LABS ===> Big SCAMMERS EVER! (Read 2573 times)

IMO consolidate BFL threads to mine.

It has the most views and I'm fantastic at attention-whoring (they call it 'marketing' in schools) so just keep adding to that and I'll promise to try and get it in Ars Technica / NPR / TheVerge / Forbes all publications I've been quoted in this year

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bryan-micons-butterfly-labs-scammer-investigation-including-josh-zerlan-136392

This is what happens when they get to behave with impunity. That is exactly why people need to start court proceedings. A company that feared the FTC, civil justice system, federal laws, etc, would not behave in such a way: "We will not discuss this further".

Fact is now, any BFL products are not going to make any crazy numbers, just a few hundred dollars, and for most people, they will earn way less than their purchase price. Look at mining.thegenesisblock.com for proof.

DrJoeGrine: are you crazy - sending more money towards these crooks? ... anyway, the difficulty doubles every 4 weeks now. If you get 25GH/s more than one month earlier than 60GH/s, it should be more profitable. Last time I checked, Little Singles were three and a half month ahead of Singles. Therefore LS yield more value and this infamous company for once does you a favor putting you in LS queue.

The following is an email conversation where BFL Jody decided unilaterally what to do with a customers money:



BFL:
Ciao Alessandro,

I have received a bankwire from you for the amount of $1.367.00.

Can you please let me know towards what order should I apply this amount?

Distinti saluti,
Sabina
BF Labs, Inc. Customer Service

ME:
Order to be applied to is 100024835

thank you

BFL:
The 60GH is not available anymore and you are late to fill this order. However, since you have sent us the money, we can offer you the 25GH instead.

If you want to do this I can modify this order.

Please let me know.

ME:
I'm sorry to tell you my disappointment
I don't understand why you accepted me the 30GH one week before, I had delay in payment because of bank account problem.
I wrote you this in a mail.
Please check with your chief as I have aleady invested in your company since October 2012.
I would be satisfied instead, about changing the 60GH for a 50GH,
indeed no mail has been sent to inform me of the upcoming order cancellation and I must admit your help desk offers not so good service.

Regards

Alessandro

BFL:
Hi Alessandro,
Keep in mind that the 60GH is not available anymore.
So, the funds that you sent us are now applied towards the 25GH.

ME:
Sorry but I have to tell you that this not seems fair
Back in March 21, 2013 price for 30GH order was 649$.
I would buy another 30GH for that price.

Regards

BFL:
Dear Sir,

Our products from the previous generation were discontinued as of April 4.
You were informed that you cannot pay for an old order, but you sent a bankwire.
We have applied your payment to a current order and this is all we can do at this time.
Of course, you could have bought two 30 gh/s units in March, but now is not March.
We will not discuss this further.
We did not bid you to send your money for this product and we have applied it to the products available.

Jody
General Manager
BF Labs, Inc.

ME:
I understand the situation, still no mail alerted me of the incoming order cancelation.
Can you prove this? I agree with you that the payment was late, but no guidelines about this have been addressed to me.
I feel it would be a fair idea to send me a 30GH instead of 25GH, as there should be some left (in fact I ordered one few weeks ago)

Regards


Source: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3675-refund-policy-17.html

AFAIK, small claims court doesn't apply to companies operating outside of the state in which you live.  So, unless you live in the same state that BFL operates in, you can't sue them in small claims court.

Edit: actually you can file a claim in the state they operate within, but you may have to travel there to attend the court hearing.

Did she say they were shipping en mass?

 Dude. This is not acceptable behaviour.

Don't hate her for her blogs. Text analysis shows that a good part of those posts are not written by her, but by Josh in a wig and drag using the "Jody" account.

Well, regarding Jody... I'm myself currently in a process of suing BFL, but I still consider Jody the one and only credible person in the company. As far as I can say, she's not the reason of my painful experience with BFL. I hate her blogs, but I consider her to be only the messenger of bad news. The bad news itself are produced somewhere deeper in this rotten company.

Now, according to http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/ the 7GH Jali's will never make back their cost. The game is already up.

I will purse this. Thank you. (Fellow Arizona Citizen) 

People said that months ago. It didn't happen. Somehow I suspect they are more resilient than you give them credit for.

No, he won't. The company will go bust long before then. They don't have the money to refund, that is why they deny customers of their rights. The shit is about to hit the fan soon.

He will get them eventually. I did.. Yes it was a lot of waiting but it did turn up.

Helpful info that...

Applicable to Yifu chips as well I might suspect.

true. I really hate them.

Lets not direct our anger at each other here. Only one to blame is BFL and the idiots that bought a Monarch as a new order not an upgrade.

I don't think so, Sheep

Yes, I will.  Dumb-ass. 

I should buy one, wait 2 months and sue them.


For those leaving in the States,

If you have purchase a product from BFL and you haven't received it. And you waited at least 2 to 3 months and have requested a refund and you haven't received one.

You could sue for not issuing  refund, there is two type of lawsuits, for small claims I wrote in details the process below.


    File a Small Claim in your county/city court.  Each county has its a limit on how much you could sue a person or company for. Here is Tucson, AZ were I'm from its $2,500 max.

    You don't need an Attorney,

    Just fill the form, [Write in details your claim] you will have to pay a small fee, Here Tucson, AZ is 25.00,
                                   ^^Type out in a computer and just submitted with your claim^^

    Then you need to send them CERTIFIED LETTER with a copy of the lawsuit and copy of your invoice and your full details.
                                               ^^with signature required and returned proof, this will cost you $5 at the USPS

    They will have 3 options
         1. they settle the claim stating that they have issue you a refund and for you to drop the lawsuit and agree to it
         2. Challenge your claim and op to go court...They will respond to court in which they need to send you a copy of there response.
           I. If they want to challenge you, that means they need to travel all the way to your court.
           II. with there response you will know what they are planning.
         3. They don't response, then you go to court by your self and Win the case, because the defendant didn't show up.
           I. If you win by default the Judge will issue you a judgment, in which you could use to make them pay or have the company locked down with everything inside, if they refuse to pay.

Small Claims are pretty easy to do, just make sure do everything required.

I'm pretty good at it will help you out with paper work