Don't join spam bounties. Easy money does not help you to (quickly) get rich!

lobcmt2

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Quote from: Pmalek on June 18, 2019, 04:24:15 AM

The problem with altcoin signature campaigns is often in the bounty managers. They accept everyone that applies as long as they have the appropriate rank. The applicants post history isn't checked and therefore the quality of the posts is below standards.

Managers of those campaigns don't check post quality of applicants at beginnings, and don't check post quality of participants during their time joining campaigns.

Agreed. Reputable campaign managers eliminate shitposters at starts, and during their participations, they will be eliminated if they don't meet minium post quality ask by campaign managers.

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This wouldn't happen with any of the reputable campaign managers that we have that manage Bitcoin campaigns. The solution is applying the same guidelines and standards in the altcoin section that we already have for bitcoin campaigns.

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Quote from: lobcmt2 on June 17, 2019, 06:00:36 AM

When theymos launched merit system in early of 2018, he wrote that if spamming does not decrease and such annoyance from spam permissive signature won't be controlled or at least, reduced; he would consider to disable all signature campaigns paid in altcoins or tokens;

We talked about this in Meta a few weeks ago.
The problem with altcoin signature campaigns is often in the bounty managers. They accept everyone that applies as long as they have the appropriate rank. The applicants post history isn't checked and therefore the quality of the posts is below standards.

This wouldn't happen with any of the reputable campaign managers that we have that manage Bitcoin campaigns. The solution is applying the same guidelines and standards in the altcoin section that we already have for bitcoin campaigns.

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Quote from: joniboini on June 17, 2019, 10:56:25 PM

There's a massive improvement in this forum, especially on my local board after the merit system was introduced (well, not exactly one second after, maybe months or weeks after that). Not sure how related merit and the decrease of spammers are, as the increasing scam projects might also contribute to that condition.

Loyce has some great data available here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-new-rule-1-merit-for-jr-member-is-already-reducing-spam-5032314. This is regarding the 1 merit requirement to display a signature, rather than the merit system on a whole, however.

Essentially, after the introduction of the 1 merit requirement, the number of posts per week slowly fell by around 60% and then plateaued around that level. That is a huge reduction in spam. A compounding factor may be that the price was pretty static around $6,000 for most of these weeks, and then fell to $3,000 towards the end, and that may have contributed somewhat to the reduction in number of posts, but there is no denying that using merit to stop signature spamming from newbies made a big impact.

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Quote from: lobcmt2 on June 17, 2019, 06:00:36 AM

But, at least they stop or reduce copy & paste; then reduce pace of spamming.

There's a massive improvement in this forum, especially on my local board after the merit system was introduced (well, not exactly one second after, maybe months or weeks after that). Not sure how related merit and the decrease of spammers are, as the increasing scam projects might also contribute to that condition. But overall, we can see which user is really making a good post and being appreciated, and which one doesn't.

After that, sooner or later more members try to be helpful in order to be more appreciated and have better luck with campaigns. Hopefully, it continues until the end.

lobcmt2

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When theymos launched merit system in early of 2018, he wrote that if spamming does not decrease and such annoyance from spam permissive signature won't be controlled or at least, reduced; he would consider to disable all signature campaigns paid in altcoins or tokens; or even more seriously disable all signature and related industry. Fortunately, merit system works, and recently a plagiabot works, so we might still see signature campaigns. Generally, participants will have to make better quality posts, it does not equal to high quality posts. But, at least they stop or reduce copy & paste; then reduce pace of spamming.

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on June 16, 2019, 09:50:22 AM

Many of the best posters wear a campaign signature as a means of passive income or play crypto, and the fact that they bear a signature does not cripple nor interfere with their ability to post.

I believe that good posters are just serious people in real life.
Wearing a signature that pays in BTC is an incentive to make even better posts, and spend more time in the forum (an in cryptocurrency subjects in general).

As wearing a signature these people can earn extra income, it is a nice incentive to keep posting, studying and helping new bitcoin users around the world. You are also helping serious projects, such as gambling, mixers, and other bitcoin related services. And you are also helping bitcointalk.org website, by contributing with good posts and helping users. I really see no problem.

Problems appears when managers are accepting spammers to their campaigns. Users that do not contribute to anything and are like parasites (as the managers who accepts them). Luckily, most of BTC paying campaigns are not managed by those people, and those spammers are mostly in altcoin related projects.

DdmrDdmr

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Quote from: TheHas on June 15, 2019, 11:46:19 PM

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Many of the best posters wear a campaign signature as a means of passive income or play crypto, and the fact that they bear a signature does not cripple nor interfere with their ability to post.

The signature per-se is not a problem, and I actually barely notice them unless the posts are of a noticeably low quality and are posted in bursts of short spaced time periods. Then, paradoxically, I tend to notice the signature and conceptually may associate the campaign to a spam permissive campaign.

What matters is content, not the presence/absence/nature of the signature. Based on this, one could vouch for merits to play a role and create different posting threshold limits based on the number of earned merits in a given period of time. I doubt we’ll see this roll-out though. We would also need to consider that certain boards are not very merited (i.e. mining boards, some local boards), and thus delimiting the number of posts on a merit based proposal would not play out that well there.

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Quote from: mersal on June 12, 2019, 09:19:09 AM

Most of the bounties causing so what is the permanent solution for this?

We can ask the people not to join but they will run behind the bounties where the rewards are lucrative so it will be better to have some guidelines for creating the bounties and for the people who are managing it will help a lot.

I can see mostly who spam ann threads are newbies joined in bounty so to stop spamming, newbies must be restricted from posting in ann sections/altcoins or a newbie account must have a limited number of post he can create per month lets say only 30 post are allowed per month in this way spamming can be controlled.

TheHas

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An idea - maybe you could make it a rule that if you have signature text or avatar in place, that you get a limit to the number of posts you can do a week.

If you have no sig, then you can post as much as you like.

For example, if you are a member with a sig - you get ten posts. If full then 15.

It would prevent the spam campaigns that just encourage fifty posts a week of nothing (i'm looking at you gambling website campaigns!)

mersal

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Most of the bounties causing so what is the permanent solution for this?

We can ask the people not to join but they will run behind the bounties where the rewards are lucrative so it will be better to have some guidelines for creating the bounties and for the people who are managing it will help a lot.

Mehr Sher

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Absolutely agreed. We have to improve our selection, as often people wish for better results but they don’t think about improving their own choices or standard.

This is where I feel so right with going for Bounty Campaign that comes from reputed houses (companies), as that means there is no risk element involved at all. And when that happens, you are for sure able to extract benefits and bring out profitable results in your favour which makes it all super easy and cool.

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There are only fee bounty campaigns here that will discourage soamming innl the forum. Yes some bounty managers had qouted this in their rules and regulation for wearing signature bounty. However, it will encourage the bounty hunter to spam due to.the fact that bounty manager ask the users to post minimum quality post to get stake from the rewards. So, this is what happen now more and more people are joining projects that does require.min. post to be enable to receive rewards.

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Quote from: sanida on April 30, 2019, 01:14:53 AM

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I actually thought like you, but over time I saw some prominent users reguarly bump their topics, and I searched to find out why they do it without fear of bans. Acutlaly, bumping is allowable, but there are some rules for bumping.

There are some rules and guides on bumping.

Quote from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657

13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]

21. Old bumps should be deleted. [2]

Quote from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/marketplace-rules-and-guidelines-3629

4. Bumps are limited to once per day (24 hours), yes this includes "updates", that's what the edit button is for. Old bumps should be deleted as they serve no purpose, and only clutter up topics and make it more annoying to read.

sanida

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Posting on some ANN Thread to bump it, it's illegal and will have some bad consequences If the mod caught them. I they are being paid to do it then it looks like they're helping the unreal project to scam people. getting paid for bumping is a bad thing, the real one will get buried. and as OP said you're not contributing to the forum at all, instead you're helping this bad people to spam here which is obviously not cool.

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So, participants of bounties are still asked to post in ANN threads in order to get paid? Wow, I'm surprised, I thought it was 2017/2018 thing. Forum rules simply doesn't allow to do that. People who are doing that are risking to get ban. And these bounty and ANN topics should be trashed. When you see such topics, you have to report it to moderators.
And definitely it's not worth to join such bounties. First of all it's likely that you will be scammed or will get some worthless tokens at the end of campaign. And secondly, you're risking to get account banned. So, I don't see any reasons to join these type of bounties, because potential few bucks that you can get isn't worth all risks.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 25, 2019, 01:24:53 AM

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Absolutely correct. Unfortunately, this phenomenon is not isolated to the world of crypto. "If it's free, you are the product", as the saying goes. Every company or business has to make money somewhere, or else they will cease to exist. Anything that gives you something for free (short of sites like Wikipedia which are run on charity/donations), be that a service such as Google or Facebook, or a product such as YouTube or ICOs, is making their money from you. Simple things like your browsing history, which is easily trackable unless you take steps to prevent it from being so, can be sold to third parties and used to target advertisements. When you willingly part with even more data like you do when telling Facebook your life story or sending your KYC documents to an ICO, your data becomes ever more valuable, and the risk you expose yourself to becomes ever higher.

If you are happy having no privacy, having your data sold to unknown third parties and used against you, making yourself a target for hackers and identity theft, etc, in return for a few worthless tokens or seeing photos of friends' latest meals on Instagram, then as far as I am concerned, you are crazy.

lobcmt2

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 25, 2019, 01:24:53 AM

This is a perfect example of short-term gain and long term loss.

Be greedy, be foolish to accept risks, and also accept potential losses.
Accept both risks and losses in long term to exchange for small buck in the present.
I have never thought it is a good way to get money.
There are so many safer ways to get money.

Your example on Ripple reminds me about the $25 give away of Blockchain.info paid in Stellar, but the cost is doing KYCs.
Is $25 XLM worth your privacy (identify).

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This is a perfect example of short-term gain and long term loss. It takes me back to the days when Ripple was first introduced on this forum. They required people to link their Facebook identity to their account for a small bounty payment. Roll Eyes

So, you sell your financial privacy for a couple of bucks and you expose/dox yourself to your own detriment.

The same goes for spam bounties like this, because you expose yourself to account banning and severe consequences and you reveal your real identity. Roll Eyes

lobcmt2

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They ask for saying lies, positive about their project.
At the end, they maybe pay or not pay for their supporters.
Even they pay for lies, for all potential risks I wrote above, stay way from them is best choice.

The Cryptovator

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I have experience and I have seen previously that spammers asking reply on their thread by Google form of airdrop. That means in order to get airdrop token bitcointalk comment link is required during submit of airdrop form. And obviously comment should be positive. I don't think they will pay if someone comment negative. Just for 2/3 usd people's also spamming.

However if you fund this kind of case you can report to moderators because this is against of forum rules. If you can't explain on report you are free to send PM to appropriate moderators.

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