Double Unification Fights: Shields vs Marshall / Mayer vs Baumgardner

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Quote from: robelneo on October 17, 2022, 06:20:10 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on October 16, 2022, 10:58:48 PM

This fight is closer than expected but it's safe to say Shields won. Marshall took rounds 5, 6, 9, and 10. Marshall should've started early as Shields was taking the early rounds quite easily. Scorecard based on the stats is 96-94 in favor of Shields.

Marshall seems surprised by the resistance, she used to fight low-level fighters when faced with a top-level fighter she cannot react properly, Claressa really knows how to win a fight, bring everything in the early rounds and establish the tempo of the fight, this is what happens when you have not fought a fighter who can offer resistance and this is the first time that Marshall faced tough opposition, Claressa claims that this is her toughest fight, but based on what the boxing world has seen its Marshall facing the toughest fight of her career.

Either Marshall started late or it took her 4 rounds before figuring out Shields. It's safe to say that both fighters faced the toughest fight of their careers.

Quote from: Baofeng on October 17, 2022, 04:02:53 PM

Read a report and Mayer says she was robbed and Baumgardner Knows That She Lost.

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"I do believe I won strongly," Mayer said to Sky Sports. "I was very confident, my corner was confident, and you know my corner, my coach, he doesn't mess around and he tells me the truth.

https://www.boxingscene.com/mikaela-mayer-i-genuinely-believe-baumgardner-knows-she-lost--169801

As I have scored it, I favor Baumgardner winning her and I don't think that Mayer was robbed. Of course there are rounds that are very close, but the way I see it, Baumgardner has the edge with her jabs.

I think there is no rematch clause as Baumgardner will fight Hyun-Mi Choi, the WBA champion.

Absolutely not a robbery. Mayer was just upset about her defeat and a little bitter because there was bad blood between her and Baumgardner. She thought she won and many of us thought it was a close fight that could go either way until we saw the unbiased punch stats which favored Baumgardner too.

I already forgot but I think Baumgardner hugged Mayer and thanked her after the decision was announced. Mayer responded but her face and mind were still shocked by the result.

Quote from: Baofeng on October 18, 2022, 06:30:31 PM

And this is what Baumgardner had to say,

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“She doesn’t deserve a rematch. For me, I want Choi next,” Baumgardner clarified during the post-fight press conference. “This is what I planned on. This is what we talked about and this is what I plan to do.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/baumgardner-i-want-choi-next-what-i-planned-on-what-i-plan--169816

So there is a unification fight in the horizon here, but we will see if Choi is willing to be the next dance partner.

I hope Choi accepts the challenge in order to determine an undisputed champ in their division. It's not a bad offer since Baumgardner has 3 belts and the Ring while Choi has only 1 belt.

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Quote from: aioc on October 19, 2022, 07:18:29 AM

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 18, 2022, 06:35:03 PM

For Shields vs Marshall, there is a rematch clause as per Shields if I'm not mistaken, but it could only be activated if there is a controversial decision or split decision, but the decision of the judges is majority, so there is no rematch for this two ladies.

And it seems that Marshall has accepted her defeat graciously as even in the post fight interview, she didn't put any words that she won or something.

The match is not that close but it's not really one-sided to think that a rematch will give us the same results, Marshall can go back and see what went wrong and try to figure out how to beat Shields in their rematch, Claressa is very open about the rematch in fact,

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Claressa Shields has welcomed the idea of a rematch with Savannah Marshall after finally settling her decade long wait for revenge on Saturday night.

But there is one condition for Claressa to grant Marchall a rematch

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“If she and her team want it then come over to the USA and we can get it done.

I think this is reasonable, Claressa comes to her turf to fight her, so she and her team should return the favor, maybe things will be different next time.

Oh ok, and I also read that Claressa just because she wanted to really bring the women's boxing in top, she is willing to get a rematch as long as it will be in the US and I think it's fair for her and Marshall as well.

At least she is the one going to travel to hostile territory and see how she will react to the fans.

Not sure about the case of Baumgardner, she is not open to any rematch to Mayer.

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Quote from: btc_angela on October 19, 2022, 06:01:47 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on October 18, 2022, 06:35:03 PM

For Shields vs Marshall, there is a rematch clause as per Shields if I'm not mistaken, but it could only be activated if there is a controversial decision or split decision, but the decision of the judges is majority, so there is no rematch for this two ladies.

And it seems that Marshall has accepted her defeat graciously as even in the post fight interview, she didn't put any words that she won or something.

The match is not that close but it's not really one-sided to think that a rematch will give us the same results, Marshall can go back and see what went wrong and try to figure out how to beat Shields in their rematch, Claressa is very open about the rematch in fact,

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Claressa Shields has welcomed the idea of a rematch with Savannah Marshall after finally settling her decade long wait for revenge on Saturday night.

But there is one condition for Claressa to grant Marchall a rematch

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“If she and her team want it then come over to the USA and we can get it done.

I think this is reasonable, Claressa comes to her turf to fight her, so she and her team should return the favor, maybe things will be different next time.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 18, 2022, 06:35:03 PM

For Shields vs Marshall, there is a rematch clause as per Shields if I'm not mistaken, but it could only be activated if there is a controversial decision or split decision, but the decision of the judges is majority, so there is no rematch for this two ladies.

And it seems that Marshall has accepted her defeat graciously as even in the post fight interview, she didn't put any words that she won or something.

Quote from: Kemarit on October 18, 2022, 06:35:03 PM

For Mayer vs Baumgardner, it's different though, not sure if there is a rematch clause, but it's controversial as one judges score it for Mayer. But it seems that Baumgardner doesn't want to give Mayer the rematch as she will chase Choi, which for me will not make her money like in a rematch with Mayer.

The articles that has been posted says that she doesn't want to give Mayer a rematch. Perhaps the hatred is really true for this two ladies, and it seems personal with the way they trash talk and their body reaction even after the fight. And I do agree that Choi might be good for her legacy, but money wise, I don't think it will give her that much.

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For Shields vs Marshall, there is a rematch clause as per Shields if I'm not mistaken, but it could only be activated if there is a controversial decision or split decision, but the decision of the judges is majority, so there is no rematch for this two ladies.

For Mayer vs Baumgardner, it's different though, not sure if there is a rematch clause, but it's controversial as one judges score it for Mayer. But it seems that Baumgardner doesn't want to give Mayer the rematch as she will chase Choi, which for me will not make her money like in a rematch with Mayer.

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And this is what Baumgardner had to say,

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“She doesn’t deserve a rematch. For me, I want Choi next,” Baumgardner clarified during the post-fight press conference. “This is what I planned on. This is what we talked about and this is what I plan to do.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/baumgardner-i-want-choi-next-what-i-planned-on-what-i-plan--169816

So there is a unification fight in the horizon here, but we will see if Choi is willing to be the next dance partner.

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Read a report and Mayer says she was robbed and Baumgardner Knows That She Lost.

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"I do believe I won strongly," Mayer said to Sky Sports. "I was very confident, my corner was confident, and you know my corner, my coach, he doesn't mess around and he tells me the truth.

https://www.boxingscene.com/mikaela-mayer-i-genuinely-believe-baumgardner-knows-she-lost--169801

As I have scored it, I favor Baumgardner winning her and I don't think that Mayer was robbed. Of course there are rounds that are very close, but the way I see it, Baumgardner has the edge with her jabs.

I think there is no rematch clause as Baumgardner will fight Hyun-Mi Choi, the WBA champion.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on October 16, 2022, 10:58:48 PM

This fight is closer than expected but it's safe to say Shields won. Marshall took rounds 5, 6, 9, and 10. Marshall should've started early as Shields was taking the early rounds quite easily. Scorecard based on the stats is 96-94 in favor of Shields.

Marshall seems surprised by the resistance, she used to fight low-level fighters when faced with a top-level fighter she cannot react properly, Claressa really knows how to win a fight, bring everything in the early rounds and establish the tempo of the fight, this is what happens when you have not fought a fighter who can offer resistance and this is the first time that Marshall faced tough opposition, Claressa claims that this is her toughest fight, but based on what the boxing world has seen its Marshall facing the toughest fight of her career.

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I have here the punch stats in courtesy of CompuBox. I consider power punches are like x2 or x1.5 compared to jabs. We'll see what the scorecards look like based on these unbiased stats.

This fight was considered closer than the other one. Baumgardner only managed to win via a split decision, taking Mayer's WBO and IBF belts and at the same time defending her WBC belt. The punch stats though if we are to score them round by round suggest that this fight is not even close. Mayer only won rounds 4 and 6. So the scorecard would be 98-92 in favor of Baumgardner.

This fight is closer than expected but it's safe to say Shields won. Marshall took rounds 5, 6, 9, and 10. Marshall should've started early as Shields was taking the early rounds quite easily. Scorecard based on the stats is 96-94 in favor of Shields.

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Quote from: TravelMug on October 15, 2022, 10:21:20 PM

I think it was a very close for me, Marshall try to make a rally in the second half, but Shields have been a good enough lead already and she seems to have answered when Marshall is being aggressive. So congrats to those who pick Shields to win and to avenge her lost 10 years ago because it seems to really haunt her but at least she exorcised her demon in this fight and there is no home cook decision.

Anyone expecting a reason for these two fights?

Shields has an edge and the fight goes to distance, so it's why Shields is win here. That's why I previously said if the fight end via decision, Shields will win, while if the fight end via knock out, Marshall will win the fight. Although Shields is dominating in the ring, but Marshall have been show in few rounds if she can box well than Shields.

IMO Mayer vs Baumgardner is very closest fight and I think it would be draw, but judges score favor on Baumgardner and he won via split decision.

Here's the three judges on Mayer vs Baumgardner fight:
Steve Gray 96-95
John Latham 96-95
Terry O'Connor 93-97

96-95 is make sense, while 93-97 is clearly doesn't make sense. A good thing here the fight isn't get robbed.

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 15, 2022, 05:29:32 PM

Claressa Shields once again proved that she is the real GWOAT beating Savannah by a lopsided decision 96-94, 97-93, 97-93, it was not even close Shields impose her will against Savannah in the early rounds and she is winning all rounds until the 6th, I don't think this one deserves a rematch it's not even close that even if Shields granted her a rematch, Shields will still win the rematch, Savanah is totally outclassed and she thought that she can knock out Shields.

I think it was a very close for me, Marshall try to make a rally in the second half, but Shields have been a good enough lead already and she seems to have answered when Marshall is being aggressive. So congrats to those who pick Shields to win and to avenge her lost 10 years ago because it seems to really haunt her but at least she exorcised her demon in this fight and there is no home cook decision.

Anyone expecting a reason for these two fights?

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Claressa Shields once again proved that she is the real GWOAT beating Savannah by a lopsided decision 96-94, 97-93, 97-93, it was not even close Shields impose her will against Savannah in the early rounds and she is winning all rounds until the 6th, I don't think this one deserves a rematch it's not even close that even if Shields granted her a rematch, Shields will still win the rematch, Savanah is totally outclassed and she thought that she can knock out Shields.

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The Marshall - Fields is now ion going but unfortunately, we cannot get any live fights on social media, there is only live commentary on the fight and so far this is the best live commentary on the fight based on this guy Claressa is leading https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nl1l1bk3qo
and here is the live update round by round https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/shields-marshall-live-stream-fight-updates-b2203016.html

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The super featherweight is already ongoing between Mikaela Mayer vs Alycia Baumgardner.

I have Baumgardner leading 3 rounds to 1. Baumgardner getting the first 3 but then Mayer coming huge in round 4 so I gave her that round.

Let's see how it goes, the fight is getting intense now for this two.

Edit: I have Baumgardner winning 96-94.

Edit 2: Baumgardner by split decision, scores were 97-93 for Mayer, 96-95 for Baumgardner, and 96-95 for Baumgardner.

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Claressa Shields vs Savannah Marshall

So far I have Shields up 4-0 in my unofficial scorecard.

Edit 4: I have Shields winning 96-94.

Official scorecard: 96-94, 97-93 and 97-93 for Shields, unanimous decision.

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Quote from: Bananington on October 15, 2022, 01:28:54 AM

Been waiting to see Mayer and Baumgardner, two good female boxers, but we have had to wait a while longer, not anymore Cheesy

. I hope the fight today will be worth the wait. I think Mayer will be the winner, she must realize that she needs this fight to achieve the goal of becoming the first undisputed champion from her division, and will go all out to try to ensure that Baumgardner who is a very good boxer as well can deny her from her goal and can cause a problem knowing that she is up to the task with the confidence coming from knocking out Terri Harper Last year.

I think the hype for Baumgardner vs Mayer is real now. Yeah, they are both real good female boxers, but at the end of the day, there is only one who is going to win.

And it seems that Baumgardner is very confident, although sometimes in his interview, it looks like she is still looking to achieved something even greater or maybe she feels underachieved because of being the underdog in a fight.

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Quote from: Bananington on October 15, 2022, 01:28:54 AM

Been waiting to see Mayer and Baumgardner, two good female boxers, but we have had to wait a while longer, not anymore Cheesy

. I hope the fight today will be worth the wait. I think Mayer will be the winner, she must realize that she needs this fight to achieve the goal of becoming the first undisputed champion from her division, and will go all out to try to ensure that Baumgardner who is a very good boxer as well can deny her from her goal and can cause a problem knowing that she is up to the task with the confidence coming from knocking out Terri Harper Last year.

It's worth to wait since this fight is really exciting, it's not like an amateur woman boxer who usually full of boring fight since there's no footwork, exchanging punch, surviving for the last rounds etc etc. This fight will happen today and for anyone who want to bet, don't forget to bet since a rematch is less likely to happen in woman matches.

I just hope at least one of this two fights will end by knock out since it will show if she is really stronger than her opponent and she is deserved to become undisputed champion.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 14, 2022, 02:16:30 PM

I know you gotta like it, hehehe.

Yes, the trash talking though, I don't know, but if we see those ladies trash talking like that, it seems to be very different. You can sense the animosity between these women. They really don't like each other and it make this fight a must watch for us boxing fans.

For sure, I also wanted to see a vicious knock out in this 2 fights.

Of course, Savannah keeps reminding Claressa that she beats her in the amateur and she is the first to handle her first-ever boxing loss, and what added to the fuel is when he mocked Claressa in her last fight, calling her a pillow fist, she insulted Claressa that Claressa hates her for disrespecting her and ignoring all her achievements, we are only hours before the fight and both ladies are ready to rock the boxing world, we could never have an exciting woman boxing like this, it's going to live the hype, I was not excited on woman boxing before but this one is hard to miss.

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Been waiting to see Mayer and Baumgardner, two good female boxers, but we have had to wait a while longer, not anymore Cheesy

. I hope the fight today will be worth the wait. I think Mayer will be the winner, she must realize that she needs this fight to achieve the goal of becoming the first undisputed champion from her division, and will go all out to try to ensure that Baumgardner who is a very good boxer as well can deny her from her goal and can cause a problem knowing that she is up to the task with the confidence coming from knocking out Terri Harper Last year.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on October 14, 2022, 05:10:06 PM

Claressa Shields said she felt like she was fighting the judges, the referee and the crowd when she fought Marshall in the amateurs.

I worry about her mental health, she sounds a bit paranoid.

Claressa Shields is the better athlete and more skilled boxer.

But has mental issues and doesn't seem to be surrounded by good people or a good community that would help to keep her centered.

Marshall is the opposite, less skilled and inferior athlete. But has smart and good people around her to keep her from being paranoid or going crazy.

I also noticed that she seems not relaxed and always off guard, she's trying to prove that she's great while making Marshall inferior, she doesn't have to do that she's an accomplished boxer no woman in boxing has achieved what she has achieved, I think she threatens the way Savannah reminds her of her only career loss back in the amateur when it has no impact on this fight, she should compose herself going into the fight, she has all the skill to beat Savannah today is the fight hopefully I can watch this fight to see if it lives up the hype.

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Claressa Shields said she felt like she was fighting the judges, the referee and the crowd when she fought Marshall in the amateurs.

I worry about her mental health, she sounds a bit paranoid.

Claressa Shields is the better athlete and more skilled boxer.

But has mental issues and doesn't seem to be surrounded by good people or a good community that would help to keep her centered.

Marshall is the opposite, less skilled and inferior athlete. But has smart and good people around her to keep her from being paranoid or going crazy.

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