Topic: Dreamspeculation (Read 3423 times)

Genuine subconscious insight is totally different from whimsical day dreamy fantasies and/or wish/fear projections.

Look man, I don't wanna derail the thread, I was just saying that maybe you should cut other people some slack when they make wild predictions based on very flimsy "feelings", when you are doing a very similar thing yourself.

No you're right, I can't be arsed to search the forum for your other dream predictions, but the dreams you just mentioned can all be easily explained without any mysticism:

The first is a perfect example of regression to the mean - you dreamt BTC price went down to $190, then up to $700. Then IRL BTC price went down to ~$360, then up to almost $700. BTC goes up and down, that's like its "Thing". Firstly you got the drop wrong by nearly ~$200. It may seem as though you predicted the jump in price, but actually as your dream didn't have a timeframe, the only way it could have been wrong is if BTC had dropped below $400 and stayed there. Any rise above $500 could be seen as evidence of your dream coming true.

The second is again a regression to the "mean" typical BTC market behaviour. You dreamt that BTC would explode up OR down. Then, BTC did it's "Thing" where it goes up/down. It's very unlikely that this dream could have been WRONG! The only way you could have got this wrong would be if BTC had stayed stable for, say, a month or two. This is far more unlikely than a drop/gain in price.

Your cowboy dream (excellent imagery BTW ) is better in terms of details, and harder to debunk as it contains a very accurate price. BUT, think about what range of bottom you could have predicted. BTC was trading between ~$800-$560 in February, after a drop from ~$1100. I would say that subconsciously, a $380 bottom seems very reasonable. Your dream again has no timeframe, so really it's just a question of waiting for 3-12 months for the bottom.

As you are very much into your TA, it makes sense that you would dream of a reasonably accurate bottom. Again there is little chance of this dream being wrong, maybe if BTC had crashed into oblivion (<$266) or rallied unexpectedly early (a rally from $600 to a new ATH). Both these scenarios are more unlikely than what happened (classic extended bear market, with a bottom considerably higher than the previous ATH)

Anyway, I've got better things to do than try and debunk people's dreams, my point was that maybe you should be nicer to people that make predictions with nothing to back them up. If you wanna believe in prophetic dreams then fine, personally I'm gonna need a bit more convincing than a few "broken clock" examples.

Also, if you're having "lucid bitcoin dreams", then can you not control the price at will? And they do sound a bit boring, my lucid dreams generally consist of flying out of windows into space, sex with groups of sexy Amazonian warriors, driving heavy machinery off cliffs and bridges, and swinging around a giant Donkey-Kong-esque playground miles above a lit-up city. The last thing I would do in a lucid dream would be check the BTC market price (which I could change at will anyway). 

Go and look through the accounts I have given of my dreams on this thread, and if you can really be arsed (which I suspect you can't) in various other posts on this sub-forum. Take note of the date of the post and of where Bitcoin was at, and then tell me that my subconscious mind/instincts aren't telling me something.

In the last proper lucid dream that I had (posted in this thread if you care to check it out), I stated that I seen Bitcoin at $190. This shocked me, but the next moment I looked and Bitcoin was trading in $700s (in the dream). I then spent the lionshare of the dream in denial at the high Bitcoin price. I think I correctly rationalised at the time that I was in denial at the high Bitcoin price due to the bearish bias I had maintained for months up until that point. I then incorrectly rationalised that the dream was 'a sign' that Bitcoin had a brief period of further downside before it would take off again. Had I understood anything about negative divergences back then (so much for MatTheCat being amongst the most 'technically minded' day tarders), then I might have known to completely negate the potential of further downside and just accept that my dream encapsulated my inherent denial at the fact that Bitcoin was about to take a momentous upswing. I actually awoke from that dream consciously dismissing it as rubbish before I started to ponder over it a bit more.

But go and look at the date of the dream. Now go look at the Bitcoin price. About $450? And where have we got up to? Almost $700?

Go and look at the dream I posted before that. I bought Bitcoin at $490. I had a dream that Bitcoin was about to explode. I wasn't sure in which direction, but sensed the pressing urge to leave my trade, so I did, at break even level. What happened next? Bitcoin down to $420! Would I have done a Veronica? Most certainly!

So when people dismiss out of hand all this sort of thing and say things like, "there is no proof" or "people cherry pick the details after the event". In this thread I have given you two examples of dreams predicting the future course of Bitcoin before the event. Don't say that I haven't cos I have and the proof is there for all to see.

Buried throughout the rest of this forum are several more examples as well, including one back in February where I dreamt that Bitcoin would crash down to and rebound of $380. $380 exactly! I also had a dream about Chinese Bitcoin Cowboy Bandits rounding up bulls into a barn and hacking them to bits with chainsaws and the like, and then gambling against each other with lumps of prime steak. However, although I was wise to their tricks, I laid my paltry strips of bacon too low. I saved my bacon, but never won any steak. For this reason I decided not to place my buy-ins for my dream predicted crash to $380, actually at $380. I decided to outwit my prophetic dream by placing an all-in 60 BTC buy-in at $391.67. Bitcoin crashed down to $400. Moral of the story is that dreams/intuitions are symbolic and don't do details very well.

Another thing is that I am much more likely to get a strong lucid Bitcoin dream if I have done or am in the process of doing the completely wrong thing. Which I suppose means the better I get at TA, the less likely I am to get Bitcoin dreams as my conscious mind is less likely to find itself placing trust upon false premises.

I am happy you bumped this post and last night I had a small dream I was telling people about bitcoin which I interpret as a rise (I did not write it yesterday because the last dream I shared did not get much comments so I was about to forget this thread.

You are not being a dick. I respect your opinion and you are entitled to it. But I am just saying that a few times my dreams have been somewhat similar to what happen (and had a few wrong ones).
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edit: to blachcorn thanks for sharing I appreciate (just saw your post after reading the guys above mine. I had a exciting dream yesterday so maybe an uptrend is coming)
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edit to matt below this comment (w/out bumping thread myself)
You explained more cleary (what I was trying to say). Yes dreams are not 100% engraved, but we have yet to discover the subconscious mind and its power. I am sure everyone reading this thread had dreams that either came true or lead them the right way.

Hell, I always have day dreams about the show I am watching and 5 min later, the same line is being played. I can't explain this and its probably because I watch too much tv  , but I believe that dreams can sometimes lead us to the truth (especially many...like me who read these forum posts for a majority part of the day)

This thread hurts my head. I can't believe that two of the most technically minded speculators on here (TERA & MatTheCat) are relying on their
dreams for BTC predictions. However they are quick to rubbish other people's predictions when they don't fit their own (admittedly solid) TA.

Guys, all this business of dreams coming true can easily be explained by "regression to the mean" and "cherry-picking" of the dreams that best fit the current market trend. Also, I would imagine that you will be more likely to remember the dreams that come true, and forget the ones that don't.

I realise that dreams can show us subconscious thoughts that may not be felt while awake. But if you believe that your subconscious mind holds secrets of market prediction, then why not just trade based on your gut, and not bother with any TA whatsoever?

I'm not trying to be a dick here, if you want to make trades based on your dreams then that's fine, go ahead. I just object to you two giving people shit for not backing up their own predictions with TA, when they say things like: "My gut says we will drop to $360"/"I think we will hit $1000 in <1 month" etc. It's a bit hypocritical if you ask me.

Had a dream last night.

The price was rising manically fast - so fast that charts could not keep up and were crashing.  Could not see the price but it was rising so fast that you could not tell someone what the price was because it would have risen loads more by the time you have spoken.

#ExcitedForJuly

Your dream means we'll see Silk Road crash v. 2 (which I don't think will come true).

And the other part means you should be eating less fast food and your cholesterol is too high (which might be true).

Hello all. Last night I had a dream. I remembered how it went to 620 yesterday. I guess that is what probably triggered this dream. The dream was of a 620 price that went down to a 400 price, and it seems like a great daytrading type thing for anyone doing this. Then in the dream, it went back to 450+.

So, dreams are interpretation so, I think that it might have a flash crash or something, followed by a quick recovery. No, I do not think 400 will be seen, but maybe a bit lower, followed by it going back up. Let me know what you guys think.

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This section is not part of the dream bitcoin thing, but if anyones interested in what else happened in my dream...

I was fighting this big guy (like the ones you see in the kids games...no I am not 5 years old) and he threw me off a cliff and i hit the water and woke up to my alarm. I felt a little out of breath.  

In another section of the dream, I ordered some food from a fast food place and the person talking to me, kept recommending something else (and was mean) and the food took forever to come. I went to other venues, ordered and walked out.

Yea I agree with the complexity of dreams.  At first, I honestly thought this dream was on the money mainly because I had a similar one before (it was 500 right after ATH december I think).  Then it shot to 900 (then back down).

I learned over the few months (as I read articles and learn more about btc) that anything can happen and it can be possible to guess the trend (but long term forget about it).  Lets see what next month brings us.  No rush  

Dreams can and do give you insight and foresight into situations that are either important to you or that you spend a lot of mental energy focusing on. After all, dreams are the product of the subconcious mind which is millions of times more powerful than the conscious rational process. However, don't go thinking you can just pluck details from your dreams and expect it all to happen and run to some kind of schedule.

Dreams are symbolic interpretations, not factual interpretations.

Had I ignored my dreams when I got them, I would be considerably poorer for doing so. Had I listened more to my dreams when I got them, I would be considerably richer. But similar to market TA, the full picture only ever comes clear (if at all) with hindsight.

Hello all for reading.  I hearby claim that my original dream made on 3/30/14 (to "come true") on 4/30/14 - 5/13/14 was incorrect (I know I still have a day or two, but I think it might just stay here).

The dream was basically out of this hump we been in (or even a ATH...I kept seeing 15 (not sure 1500 etc))

I guess I was just bullish at the moment (in the dream) and it seems that it will take longer to get out of the hump.  

LOL.

I am much worse than that. I knew about Bitcoin very early on. Probably earlier than the majority of people here. But I was drinkin Silver Stacker's Kool-Aid back then (and the market was proving me right at that point in time) and Bitcoin remained some wild eyed libertarian pipe dream that I liked to rant n rave about to anyone who would listen. Then I heard about Silk Road, then I started buying Bitcoins for drugs. A few hundred single digit Bitcoins have passed through my hand. I was so enamoured by Bitcoin and all its anonymous 'stick it to theman' potential that I made a 500 GBP investment 'just to support the cause'. But Bitcoin didn't really seem to be doing much other than staying around $5-$6, so these Bitcoins inevitably got spent on Silk Road. I might have kept them, but after Britcoin/Intersango stopped taking GBP deposits, it all just seemed like too big a pain in the arse to get Bitcoins...wot passports? proof of resideny? fkn international wires? Fuck That! (I thought at the time). Thus the Bitcoin pile got depleted.

Had I had an investor mentality back then, I would have seen that the precious metals were on a clear bear trend (Gold I am evens on, Silver down a significant amount) and I would have put a good solid punt on Bitcoins. But I didn't and only developed an investor mentality because I have witnessed how I was staring a million dollar opportunity in the face, but I never knew how to recognise it for what it was (twice).

My first speculative Bitcoins were bought in mid/late Nov 2013, and in this short time frame, I made thousands without having the slightest clue what I was doing (like many here, except my mind develops, many of the Kool-Aid merchants here don't seem to). Funnily enough, it was a dream that finally prompted me to deal with such horrors as providing some shoddy exchange with passport details and dealing with international wires. I had bought around 15 BTC at $120 in September of that year for Silk Road use. Then I went offshore for several weeks, then I came back, and Bitcoin was rising. It hit around $360, fell back to $260, and then rose up to around $340, before starting to fall back. 'Having seen Bitcoin go parabolic before', I moved quickly to sell my Bitcoins on LocalBitcoins and lock in some 250% profits!!! I went to bed that night feeling very smart. I woke up that morning feeling very dumb with lashings of self loathing. I had a dream that night that Bitcoin was at $600 on MtGox (that is where I checked Bitcoin price in those days....that is how much of a noob I was). Bitcoin had risen since I sold but was still sub $400. I absolutely knew that I had to get money into Bitoins. LocalBitcoin traders were charging 20% premiums. I thought "fuck them guys", I will go straight to Bitstamp. It took around 14 days from start to finish to be ready to purchase BTC on Bitstamp, and Bitcoin was in upper $600's/$700s.

Thanks for sharing....and bumping my thread  
I am not going to act like I can interpret your dream (because its subjective to the person having it, but let me see).
It appears you believe a short dip is coming (then back up).  I think the missing the boat probably comes for your past when I read (your previous comments) about you missing a few dips.  Maybe regret.  

Your own bias is more willing to accept the downside potential more than the upside one.  Well, I believe you have been through many swings in bitcoin.  You are probably seeing up swings.  Vs. me, I am a noob and have yet to see an upswing (compared to the ATH which is when I first saw it (@1100).)  So I am more likely to be bullish (more like hoping etc).  You are more realistic....what comes up must come down and recent news and other things I am not seeing.

As far as btc dropping, bitcoin surprised me ever since this gox bs (when it dropped from 700-800 for months and months).  Even in may, I am wondering why its still sub 500.  Maybe more dips are to come, but it looks to me like we might be going up slowly.  

I remembered that vivid dream I had on 3/30/14.  I expected an upturn in 4/30/14 - 5/13/14 (1-1.5 months "to come true" from previous experience).  And honestly, it looks like I either might be right (lets see, still 4 days left  ) or wrong (maybe a few weeks or months later for uptrend).

Matt, from your posts, you seem to be regretful for small things like dips.  I just want to say, you are not the only one (and honestly if I was into btc in 2010 etc I would be very happy.)

 I definitely regret every day for not googling virtual coins.  This is because in 2009-2010 I was on facebook zynga poker all day.  I spent 20 dollars on I think 1.5-5 million zynga coins  (At the time I was looking at buying facebook money - facebucks or w.e).  Looking back, I am questioning why I never searched a virtual currency or something.

I brought it up to my bud (me purchasing 20 dollars zynga chips).  He taunted me saying, "You spent money on virtual coins."  I felt embarrassed at the time.  Now I am like, wow that was a sign to google that @virtual coin (I know maybe it probably wasn't meant to be and all this jargin - mainly because I never once thought of searching a decentralized currency etc).

The only reason I heard of btc was because some guy lost 7,500 btc in a hard drive (newstory I saw late nov 2013).  

Had another Bitcoin dream, but with a fairly muddled message.

To cut to the chase, there was shock n horror as I viewed that Bitcoin had hit around $190, considerably lower than even I would bargain for, my response was mild disbelief but I could accept this market action. But the next minute I looked, Bitcoin was trading right back up at $700 and I had missed the boat. I looked at the chart and viewed the rather sharp and large jump up in price Bitcoin took. My response at this point was..."can't be, I don't believe it. Naw, just not possible". I did not accept this market action.

Interpretations?

I shouldn't ever think that 'I know' because when it comes down to it, I don't?

Bitcoin can and will shock everyone both to upside and downside, but perhaps my own bias is a bit more willing to accept the downside potential more so than the upside and this bias will harm me?

I work (when I work) offshore for weeks at a time. If this happens when I am on a boat, then I am not going to be in a position to take a position and thus will have missed the Bitcoin boat?

Or perhaps all of the above interpretations ring true, but sticking with the purely predictive aspect of the dream. Perhaps Bitcoin does have a bit more downside to come, but it has considerably more upside on the otherside of that?

I saw $199 in a dream a couple of weeks ago. I have no idea if it means something, I am actually of the opinion that if you try to actively use your own dreams to profit from them their predictive value will go to 0. As if the universe prevents you from 'cheating' in a way to keep the balance. There's no such thing as a free lunch, except for Dorian Nakamoto.

Lol, I do feel biased because as I read comments from new people (like me) (who missed the nov-dec 2013 uptrend 100+-1000+) we seem bullish because I guess we try to make up for the (potential) loss.

So maybe I just am hoping it turns bullish.
You on the other hand (I assume) is an earl(ier) adopter so you have been through many trends and (from your recent posts) seem bearish.

You probably see something I do not (like the chart analysis that looks like random jargin to me) and it probably tells you it is going up or down.  I am continually growing and learning about bitcoin and will learn (in the future) about what happens now (up until the summer).

I suspect that you could have dreamt about being under a digger dumper truck, that dumped a big pile of horse shit all over your head, and still come to the conclusion that the Bitcoin price was set to rise.

Obviously Horseshit is waste from a working beast and this represents fiat currency. The truck represents Bitcoin which is a means of fiat transfer (transfer of horse shit in the dream), and getting covered in horse shit clearly would mean Bitcoin covering you in fiat.

5/1/14
Last night I had a dream.  I was on shark tank and Kevin O' Leary was talking about being a money transmitter (for bitcoin) and all the other "sharks" were surprised.  It seemed like big news (to me).

I do not know if this means anything (to me) or if its just from someone on here mentioning that Mr. O' Leary had certain views on the virtual currency.  

(p.s. I am a big shark tank fan  )

I do not really think much of this dream because it was very quick and probably does not mean much.  But I still believe the price will soon rise in the next two weeks.  My original dream (this thread) was 3/30/14 and I expect a month to a month and a half for something to happen (because in past bitcoin dreams, I had like 2-3 now took about 1-1.5 month for something to happen) (I am guessing a price rise.)

I only have 1 dream about bitcoin ... I was in an island and I did found a bag of casascius, most of then was already redeemed .. but I found 2 loaded .. and the value was 75 and 15 btc ... I  think was my best dream regards bitcoin   ...

its really hard to break. just today though i had this big urge to just sell up and wait for a reversal. the only thing that stopped me was FOMO. (call it greed if you like!) missing the black swan up would be financially worse then riding the slow decline to zero. even though emotionally its harder to do. so i hold on tight... and cry a bit inside every day...