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April 23, 2012, 11:36:41 PM
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Mary O’Dell, the mother of 24-year-old Brandon Montgomery Daniel told the Associated Press that her son’s role in the fatal shooting of Austin Senior Police Officer Jaime Padron was fueled by alcohol and psychotropic drugs.


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Toxicology tests confirm that the chimpanzee that severely mauled a Connecticut woman in February had the anti-anxiety drug Xanax in his system.

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    Eric Harris, the triggerman in the Columbine school shootings, killed his fellow students and took his own life while taking Luvox.

    Thirteen year-old Chris Fetters killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

    Twelve year-old Christopher Pittman murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

    Thirteen year-old Mathew Miller hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

    Fifteen year-old Jarred Viktor stabbed his grandmother 61 times after 5 days on Paxil.

    Fifteen year old Kip Kinkel (Prozac and RITALIN) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

    Luke Woodham aged 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

    Boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 who in seizure activity from Zoloft had a stand off at the school.

    Michael Carneal (Ritalin) a 14-year-old opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded, one of whom was paralyzed.

    Young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

    Andrew Golden, aged 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

    TJ Solomon, aged 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

    Rod Mathews, aged 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

    James Wilson, aged 19, (Psychiatric Drugs – various) Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

    Elizabeth Bush aged 13 (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

    Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

    Another boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) had a stand off at the school.

    Jarred Viktor aged 15 (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

    Chris Shanahan aged 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.


How Psychedelic Drugs Can Help Patients Face Death


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Pam Sakuda was 55 when she found out she was dying. Shortly after having a tumor removed from her colon, she heard the doctor’s dreaded words: Stage 4; metastatic. Sakuda was given 6 to 14 months to live. Determined to slow her disease’s insidious course, she ran several miles every day, even during her grueling treatment regimens. By nature upbeat, articulate and dignified, Sakuda — who died in November 2006, outlasting everyone’s expectations by living for four years — was alarmed when anxiety and depression came to claim her after she passed the 14-month mark, her days darkening as she grew closer to her biological demise...

...Before Pam Sakuda died, she described her psilocybin experience on video: “I felt this lump of emotions welling up . . . almost like an entity,” Sakuda said, as she spoke straight into the camera. “I started to cry. . . . Everything was concentrated and came welling up and then . . . it started to dissipate, and I started to look at it differently. . . . I began to realize that all of this negative fear and guilt was such a hindrance . . . to making the most of and enjoying the healthy time that I’m having.” Sakuda went on to explain that, under the influence of the psilocybin, she came to a very visceral understanding that there was a present, a now, and that it was hers to have....

...Lauri Reamer is a 48-year-old survivor of adult-onset leukemia...but the illness and the brutal bone-marrow treatments she underwent left a deep mental scar, a profound fear that the cancer would return made it difficult to experience any joy in life. Her illness was lurking around every corner, waiting to haul her away. “When I was near death, I wasn’t so afraid of it,” Reamer said, “but once I went into remission, well, I had an intense fear and anxiety around relapse and death.”

...Griffiths says that he and his research team found an ideal range of dosage levels — 20 to 30 milligrams of psilocybin — that not only reliably stimulated “mystical insights” but also elicited “sustained positive changes in attitude, mood and behavior” in the study volunteers. Specifically, when Griffiths administered a psychological test called the Death Transcendance Scale at the 1- and 14-month follow-up, he saw subjects’ ratings rise on statements like “Death is never just an ending but part of a process” and “My death does not end my personal existence.”

...The subjects who have undergone psilocybin treatment report an increased appreciation for the time they have left, a deeper awareness of their roles in the cycle of life and an increased motivation to invest their days with meaning.

If David Nutt, in Britain, is able to prove the efficacy of psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression, would the F.D.A. ever consider approving it for that use? And if that ever were to happen, what sort of slippery slope would we find ourselves on? If, say, end-stage cancer patients can have it, then why not all individuals over the age of, say, 75? If treatment-resistant depressives can have it, then why not their dysthymic counterparts, who suffer in a lower key but whose lives are clearly compromised by their chronic pain? And if dysthymic individuals can have it, then why not those suffering from agoraphobia, shut up day and night in cramped quarters, Xanax bottles littered everywhere?

Halpern is not particularly worried about this theoretical future, in large part because he doesn’t see much hope for psilocybin as a medicine. “There’s no money in it,” he says. “What drug company is going to invest millions in a substance widely available in our flora and fauna?”

So the moral of the story is to stop taking Xanax and Prozac and go back to our ancestrial heritage of speaking to the Machine Elves with psilocybin.

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Why confine this to just the dying? This powerful intervention could be used with young adults who could then reap the benefits of it much earlier.
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April 23, 2012, 10:35:41 PM
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The Meth and alcohol list would be even scarier.

i wonder how many murders have occurred after someone drank a glass of water


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Well 100% of criminals are users of H2O!

And we, or at least I, live in what is becoming an ultra-conservative society. Therefore it is inevitable that water will be banned.
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April 23, 2012, 12:35:08 PM
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The Meth and alcohol list would be even scarier.

i wonder how many murders have occurred after someone drank a glass of water


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Well 100% of criminals are users of H2O!
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April 22, 2012, 06:59:02 PM
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The Meth and alcohol list would be even scarier.

i wonder how many murders have occurred after someone drank a glass of water


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April 22, 2012, 03:21:02 PM
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...And I try to avoid meds when I'm sick as I prefer waiting it out.

I think this helps your defenses strengthen themselves. I try to never take pills for this reason, but does anybody know whether the the effect of vitamins is the same?

The only thing known for sure is that vitamins make for expensive piss. If you are a vegan or otherwise eat a strange diet, taking certain vitamin supplements may be useful, other than that any positive or negative effect they have is very small if there at all. Well, there is probably a nice placebo effect.

That said, most of these studies are done with regards to multivitamins. This is due to practical reasons, but is not the best way to find stuff out. It is possible that the benefits of one vitamin may be canceled out by others, etc. In other words, the combination of vitamins may be just as important as the individual vitamins. It is also possible that there is too much noise in the data to really say because various factors like time of day (cortisol levels, etc) and amount of food in stomach may be very important but are not controlled for.

You can say the same things about most meds. For the most part, noone really knows how effective they will be for any given person. This is why the future is in personalized medicine (use math models to tailor treatments to your genome, diet, and other characteristics). Personalized medicine is also now a marketing buzzword, so watch out.
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April 22, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
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I would prefer no form of drug/stimulants were in my system at all. Not worth it.

Not even coffee or tea?
Coffee alone is nutritious, while coffee with milk is harmful. Wink It's a chemistry thing.
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April 20, 2012, 08:47:06 PM
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Good read, thanks.
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April 20, 2012, 01:48:28 PM
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...And I try to avoid meds when I'm sick as I prefer waiting it out.

I think this helps your defenses strengthen themselves. I try to never take pills for this reason, but does anybody know whether the the effect of vitamins is the same?

Some studies have shown vitamins to lower life expectancy. Sad

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/004101.html
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April 19, 2012, 11:49:25 PM
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The only thing that comes to my mind after reading the OP is that ChimpsOnXanaX is a great name for a psytrance live-act or party org...
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April 19, 2012, 11:36:17 PM
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...And I try to avoid meds when I'm sick as I prefer waiting it out.

I think this helps your defenses strengthen themselves. I try to never take pills for this reason, but does anybody know whether the the effect of vitamins is the same?
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April 19, 2012, 07:14:17 PM
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But.., but the guy from D.A.R.E. said if a doctor gives you drugs it's ok? It will only hurt you if you take drugs that are enjoyable, purchased from a guy in a leather jacket.
The only thing I remember from D.A.R.E. is being told that marijuana makes people eat and speed makes your heart beat faster.  What a waste of time.
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April 19, 2012, 02:49:27 PM
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But.., but the guy from D.A.R.E. said if a doctor gives you drugs it's ok? It will only hurt you if you take drugs that are enjoyable, purchased from a guy in a leather jacket.
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April 14, 2012, 12:40:09 PM
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There is already prozac in the water . Its called flouride. So maybe yes there were  a few murders after someone drank the town water supply...

ROFL
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April 14, 2012, 09:43:27 AM
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There is already prozac in the water . Its called flouride. So maybe yes there were  a few murders after someone drank the town water supply...
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April 13, 2012, 11:37:12 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Basically people taking these drugs already had mental health issues otherwise they probably would not be taking these drugs.  That does not mean the drugs did not contribute to the problem, but one could argue that if they took MORE of some of these drugs those problems may have not happened.

The SSRI class of drugs we simply do not fully understand.  Drugs like Xanax probably do not cause people to become MORE aggressive though.
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April 12, 2012, 06:43:33 PM
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They say starring at a computer too long isn't good for you either, but we're probably all hooked on that one.
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April 11, 2012, 01:01:23 PM
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I would prefer no form of drug/stimulants were in my system at all. Not worth it.

Not even coffee or tea?

Oops not that lol. However, I only drink tea but not coffee tho...And I try to avoid meds when I'm sick as I prefer waiting it out.
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April 11, 2012, 11:52:25 AM
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I have a few problems with this thread.

1. First of all, this thread totally dismisses the fact that there have been loads of people that have been helped tremendously by using certain drugs, making their lives a lot better. You, however, are only presenting negative cases. That's not fair at all, is it?

2. Second of all, drugs is such a broad term. Some drugs have loads of side-effects, some have very little. How can you conclude that drugs are bad based on just a few examples of drugs? Also, you "research" shows multiple different drugs. You'd have to look at each drug independently to see if there are causes for concern per drug.

3. Third of all, loads of those scary stories contain a mix of multiple drugs, such as benzodiazepines and alcohol. That's a very dangerous combination. You can't blame the drugs if people are stupid enough to take different drugs together that are known to be dangerous if taken together.

4. Fourth of all, congratulations, you've found people under the influence of drugs that did some bad things. That fact alone doesn't say anything though. There are loads of sober people that have done terrible things. Can we conclude from that fact that being sober is dangerous? Not at all. To make a valid comparison of the negative effects of drugs you'd have to look at the percentage of people under the influence of certain drugs that did bad things, and you'd have to look at the percentage of people that were sober and did bad things. To be able to calculate those 2 percentages you'd need the numbers describing: 1. Sober people that did not do something bad 2. Sober people that did something bad 3. People under the influence of a certain drug that did not do something bad 4. People under the influence of a certain drug that did something bad. I'm only seeing number four.

5. Fifth of all, even if a correlation was found between using certain drugs and people doing bad things, that does not imply causation. Most of those people were taking drugs for a reason. Have you ever considered that there might be something that caused them to take those drugs, and also caused the bad behavior? Perhaps they had personality problems, which caused the doctor to prescribe drugs, but those personality problems also caused the person to act the way he did? Or someone who flipped, causing him/her to consume drugs in a rage, totally out of control, and to harm someone else or maybe even him-/herself. I'm not saying this is the case for all those stories, but I'm sure there are plenty of accidents in which drugs were involved, but weren't the cause for the accident.


I hope this post will change the view some of you have on drugs. Drugs are indeed dangerous if people don't use them in a responsible way, but they can also be tremendously helpful for the people taking them. Thanks for reading Smiley
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April 11, 2012, 07:03:52 AM
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I would prefer no form of drug/stimulants were in my system at all. Not worth it.

Not even coffee or tea?
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April 11, 2012, 06:12:37 AM
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I would prefer no form of drug/stimulants were in my system at all. Not worth it.
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