DT members - ethical to sell DT services? - page 3.

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Quote from: Vod on March 08, 2019, 09:18:27 PM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/best-place-to-post-this-kind-of-topic-5117739

Getting financially rewarded for being in DT seems shady to me... what do others think?

It is easily done if a DT member needs money theb O would settle giving a positive trust in return. Telegran is one of the best tool for.the negotiations and for transactions that will going to happen. Now that it has already had been something fishy then there is a high chance that it is happening already.

CryptopreneurBrainboss

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Quote from: Thule on March 09, 2019, 05:33:51 AM

Aren't gambling signatures from DT members an indirect recommendation of a specific gambling website ?

Technically they are although lets not forget, DT members are also forum users and should be allowed to benefit from wearing a signature. Those campaign didn't reserve a special bonus for been a DT member or leaving reviews, the DT members applied themselves to promote the project therefore they aren't buying the trust of DT members.

electronicash

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there is a dealing though.

i have it in mind that when both made some dealings and agreed to make transactions and both are happy with it, it think its reasonable to give + trust rep. but then if the deal includes the +trust as fee, its going to be something.

marlboroza

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Wants positive reviews for unknown reason, in my opinion.

Quote from: Jet Cash on March 09, 2019, 06:42:32 AM

promoting a product in your signature is an endorsement of that product

TV commercials are not endorsed by TV companies and they are advertising various products, but:

Quote from: Jet Cash on March 09, 2019, 06:42:32 AM

and your reputation is influenced by the legitimacy of the campaign. Members should realise this, and take responsibility for their signatures, rather than just prostituting themselves.

...it might negatively reflect on their reputation. I am pretty sure most people here can't even explain what they are advertising (based on PM's I have received).

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on March 09, 2019, 06:36:30 AM

Signature campaign isn't recommendation.

I don't agree. Whether or not you have done the research, promoting a product in your signature is an endorsement of that product, and your reputation is influenced by the legitimacy of the campaign. Members should realise this, and take responsibility for their signatures, rather than just prostituting themselves.

The Cryptovator

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Quote from: Thule on March 09, 2019, 05:33:51 AM

Aren't gambling signatures from DT members an indirect recommendation of a specific gambling website ?

Yes, but there is no any specific campaign or advertising opportunities for DT members only. But OP mentioned about a thread who had asked specifically for DT members only which will consider trust sell. Wear signature and leave positive feedback's or review is not same. They actually tried to buy positive ratings. They aren't asking for signature campaign.

Quote from: Jet Cash on March 09, 2019, 06:42:32 AM

I don't agree.

Edited post already. You quoted before complete my edit Grin

However I was just looking into Google about advertisment,

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Thule

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Aren't gambling signatures from DT members an indirect recommendation of a specific gambling website ?

bernardos

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Asking only DT members to review the service is not the way to do it. Since when does being a DT mean having an expertise in gambling and casino services? I they wanted to do it properly they would have asked for members who are long time gamblers or have experience working or operating casinos or casino games.

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I hope it has a negative effect. If DT members who have a concern for the system "tilderate" the members who do leave trust, then that will reduce the advantage of buying trust ( if that was the intention), and it will lead to the trust sellers losing their ranking.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 08, 2019, 10:40:55 PM

I don't see this user explicitly asking for trust ratings do you? They are asking for a review. This is not uncommon. Perhaps it could have been worded better and people are reading into it too much.

That was my assumption indeed when I posted this:

Quote from: LoyceMobile on March 07, 2019, 01:53:52 PM

I recommend changing your requirement: asking for DT only to join looks a lot like you're buying trust. You should ask for trusted members instead.

I've seen many services ask for reviews or testing something, and I've joined a few too. The ones that don't ask for a higher rank are easily abused by account farmers, so it makes sense to ask for more trusted users too.
I think it's the first time I've seen someone ask for "DT members", hence my warning. It could just be naivety.

Quote from: hacker1001101001 on March 08, 2019, 10:54:11 PM

2. After reviewing, if the DT just vouches for the service and does not use any trust rating.

I think "vouching" for it is too much already. Being able to withdraw $2.70 is no reason to trust the site with a larger amount.

Quote from: hacker1001101001 on March 08, 2019, 10:54:11 PM

Or reacts to it as LoyceV reacted here by giving a feedback from a non DT alt would be a decent way around.

My alt is put on DT3 now. The ratings are "maturing", and there's no reason to distrust the accounts. If someone puts it on DT2 at some point, I think I'll just leave the existing ratings, but will have to use another alt for new non-DT ratings.

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I’m not interested in it at all, I don’t think it’s something fellow DT members should be doing but that’s just my opinion.

TalkStar

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Personally I respect them who are in the DT list. In my opinion this service shouldn't be a sale material. Honestly how our society being protected by cops like that bitcointalk community being protected by DT members I think. Its a service which means a lot for us and obviously we respect this position holders.

Selling DT services could rise a lot of questions about giving someone postive or negative feedback. There could be a slogan like that:

DT-------> NOT FOR SALE

Vod

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 08, 2019, 11:48:46 PM

No, you didn't explicitly accuse him, you also provided no evidence that he should be subject to suspicion at all either (other than what you imagine may be true).

I was just gathering community feedback. Stop seeing battles everywhere. Sad

bones261

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 08, 2019, 11:48:46 PM

Quote from: bones261 on March 08, 2019, 10:53:38 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 08, 2019, 10:40:55 PM

I don't see this user explicitly asking for trust ratings do you? They are asking for a review. This is not uncommon. Perhaps it could have been worded better and people are reading into it too much. Maybe he is actually fishing for positive ratings. Maybe he is an 8 story tall crustacean from the protozoic era. I doubt we will ever know for sure.

This frankly is the kind of thing that demonstrates to me this forum is full of a bunch of busybodies that have nothing better to do than interfere in the lives of others over the most inconsequential things they SUSPECT MIGHT be happening. This is all lots of fun until it is your turn to have the forum crawl up your ass just because some one is bored. Good thing for them there are no penalties for wrongly rating people who have no influence within this system... so win win.

I thought discussions like this are what you are advocating for. I don't see that any DT member has given a neg rating to the OP or anyone else participating in that thread at this time.

You are right, I do want discussion before rating. Except you will note the distinct lack of a standard of evidence, substituted in its place is mere suspicion. Really even if he was up to what is suspected, how long do you think it would last before the people rating him would figure it out and notify everyone who rated him to remove them? My point is this is kind of a non-issue even if it was true.

Most of us here are not lawyers. What lawyer is bitcointalk going to hire to write out a detailed explanation of standards of evidence for idiots? (It would probably be preferable to write it in multiple languages too.)After all, I see in another thread you chiming in on negative trust given by someone not even on DT1 or DT2. Therefore, all members would need the standards explained to them. Also, what measure are we going to take for those members that leave inappropriate trust feedback? In my case, I have three comments claiming that I spread doomsday virus, suck ass the best, and am an alt of yogg.

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Quote from: bones261 on March 08, 2019, 10:53:38 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 08, 2019, 10:40:55 PM

I don't see this user explicitly asking for trust ratings do you? They are asking for a review. This is not uncommon. Perhaps it could have been worded better and people are reading into it too much. Maybe he is actually fishing for positive ratings. Maybe he is an 8 story tall crustacean from the protozoic era. I doubt we will ever know for sure.

This frankly is the kind of thing that demonstrates to me this forum is full of a bunch of busybodies that have nothing better to do than interfere in the lives of others over the most inconsequential things they SUSPECT MIGHT be happening. This is all lots of fun until it is your turn to have the forum crawl up your ass just because some one is bored. Good thing for them there are no penalties for wrongly rating people who have no influence within this system... so win win.

I thought discussions like this are what you are advocating for. I don't see that any DT member has given a neg rating to the OP or anyone else participating in that thread at this time.

You are right, I do want discussion before rating. Except you will note the distinct lack of a standard of evidence, substituted in its place is mere suspicion. Really even if he was up to what is suspected, how long do you think it would last before the people rating him would figure it out and notify everyone who rated him to remove them? My point is this is kind of a non-issue even if it was true.

Quote from: Vod on March 08, 2019, 11:22:03 PM

No... nor did I explicitly accuse him, did I?.

I'm trying to get a feel on the communities stance for when the abuse of positive trust or merit starts becoming sneaky.

It seems everyday someone comes up with a new ponzi idea, eventually their scams will involve something other than crypto currency.

No, you didn't explicitly accuse him, you also provided no evidence that he should be subject to suspicion at all either (other than what you imagine may be true). There is a reason most of the legal systems of the industrialized world require a warrant, because fishing expeditions themselves even if no other action is taken are a violation of privacy and can bring other repercussions against entirely innocent people.

Vod

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 08, 2019, 10:40:55 PM

I don't see this user explicitly asking for trust ratings do you?

No... nor did I explicitly accuse him, did I?.

I'm trying to get a feel on the communities stance for when the abuse of positive trust or merit starts becoming sneaky.

It seems everyday someone comes up with a new ponzi idea, eventually their scams will involve something other than crypto currency.

The Cryptovator

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I replied on their thread. Actually they are trying to get few positive feedback's and few positive reviews from DT member to build their reputation very quick (IMO). Obviously I think this is a shady attempt. DT doesn't mean that they are all gambling expert or something like this.

If any DT leave positive feedback's for that kind of work then I will consider it a trust abuse.

hacker1001101001

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Even if a DT reviews the Gambling service there are two ways of reacting to it.

1. After reviewing, if the DT puts some positive trust on the profile. This is surely a shady activity from both parties.

2. After reviewing, if the DT just vouches for the service and does not use any trust rating. Or reacts to it as LoyceV reacted here by giving a feedback from a non DT alt would be a decent way around.

bones261

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 08, 2019, 10:40:55 PM

I don't see this user explicitly asking for trust ratings do you? They are asking for a review. This is not uncommon. Perhaps it could have been worded better and people are reading into it too much. Maybe he is actually fishing for positive ratings. Maybe he is an 8 story tall crustacean from the protozoic era. I doubt we will ever know for sure.

This frankly is the kind of thing that demonstrates to me this forum is full of a bunch of busybodies that have nothing better to do than interfere in the lives of others over the most inconsequential things they SUSPECT MIGHT be happening. This is all lots of fun until it is your turn to have the forum crawl up your ass just because some one is bored. Good thing for them there are no penalties for wrongly rating people who have no influence within this system... so win win.

I thought discussions like this are what you are advocating for. I don't see that any DT member has given a neg rating to the OP or anyone else participating in that thread at this time.

TECSHARE

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I don't see this user explicitly asking for trust ratings do you? They are asking for a review. This is not uncommon. Perhaps it could have been worded better and people are reading into it too much. Maybe he is actually fishing for positive ratings. Maybe he is an 8 story tall crustacean from the protozoic era. I doubt we will ever know for sure.

This frankly is the kind of thing that demonstrates to me this forum is full of a bunch of busybodies that have nothing better to do than interfere in the lives of others over the most inconsequential things they SUSPECT MIGHT be happening. This is all lots of fun until it is your turn to have the forum crawl up your ass just because some one is bored. Good thing for them there are no penalties for wrongly rating people who have no influence within this system... so win win.

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