Topic: DT1 member lovesmayfamilis BAN (Read 2884 times)

They will be taken on a case by case basis. You are free to stake your case as to why you think they should be banned if you wish, but a few cases of plagiarism that we may or may not have already taken into consideration already probably isn't enough to reverse the decision. At least this user is still around despite not being able to have a signature. Many users just disappear once this happens only to return when their signature does.

I do not intend to challenge the decision, but I wanted to make sure that additional old cases of plagiarism will not affect this decision.
Because the President forgave the perpetrator for known crimes, but if the police find other cases in which the perpetrator did not confess, he will be tried again, despite the pardon.


"I know ways to simulate different personalities, as well as maintain their own I. the Main attention, and accuracy"

Every case of plagiarism is unique and shall be decided by the moderators on a case-to-case basis. In OP's case, he was a valuable asset to the forum as he continuously looks for fake ICOs in the forum.
I am pretty sure that before he was given pardoned, the moderators have extensively reviewed his case before granting him such forgiveness.


In your comparison, even convicted criminals are given pardons given that it was rendered by the President. Again, I would not doubt the decision that the moderators have decided as they weighed all the merits before granting him the pardon.

another little touch to make it clearer what kind of person he\she is. I'd appreciate it if you could translate this:(in a General sense: money\earn\why can't we have a lot of accounts?, etc.)


that would be fair, but she changed the text of the article, didn't copy it directly(as inexperienced people do unintentionally). In my opinion, this is an attempt to pass off other people's thoughts for their own.


p.s.I am sure such a person is not worthy to be at least a member of DT and judge others

Don't exaggerate. You found one case of plagiarism and you can't even be sure if it hasn't been previously reported. And the post did have a link, which you stripped in your quote. Wrong link but taken from the original article so at best it's just a sloppy reference, far from "a professional thief".

You can PM hilariousandco and ask him directly if you insist.

if it turned out that pardoned not for the "mistake of youth" but a professional thief, he will still be forgiven? Well, ok..

in the cases discovered, it is evident that the borrowed quotations have been somewhat altered to disguise plagiarism. This is not like naive or inexperienced application of someone else's quotes without reference to the source.

As far as I know, the decision can not change. IMO, admin/mod give forgiving for all the mistake that he ever did.
But if the user breaking the rules after he gets unban-approving, I think admin/mod will permanently ban that user without any chance to appeal.

In this case, that user should remove/repairing his old post after his appeal approving.
If he didn't it, he will get permaban without appeal opportunity.

It wouldn't make sense to ban her again for something she's been pardoned for. Global mod already decided that her value to the forum outweighs the "crime", case closed. Unless something new comes up (a new post-ban case of plagiarism, or perhaps an old case of spreading malware, or something like that) - I don't think she'll get banned.

Hi all! there were additional cases of plagiarism in account lovesmyfamilis, maybe even a few.. So, will the pardon remain in force or will lovesmyfamili's case be reviewed? Rus mod argues that the decision to forgive this user will remain unchanged, regardless of the number of detected and previously unknown cases of plagiarism. (it means all additional cases committed before the moment of pardon.)

I'm really glad to see this as well. This is a good member, she will continue to do well once returns.

Great news! Looking forward to seeing you back here again soon lovesmayfamilis.

Thanks for right decision, and its much appreciated. Temp ban and signature ban is appropriate. I believe she would continue her contribution for forum. This is the lesson for other peoples also that no one will excuse for breaking forum rules even DT or good contributors. However I think lovesmayfamilis already got lesson and she will avoid such as activity on future. 

Congrats, but wait you should first understand what you have done wrong before focusing onto something else ( I am not so sure how does that happened but that was an obvious act of plagiarism.

Focusing on the scamming issues won't be a good reason to forget the other forum's mortal sin, Goodluck to your next journey and continue to grow as a good individual

Thank you very much. I am also very grateful to everyone who supported me. I will surely survive this moment and continue the fight with the hated scams.

Congratulations, lovesmayfamilis!
I would like to ask you a favor to open the topic for a while till my curious question answered by hilariousandco or admins.

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By the way, because you are here, please clarify this point for us, hilariousandco:
If my thought is wrong, I am fine to correct it after getting your clarification. If my though is right, I will add a little bit details to my guide.

Best regard,

I changed the ban to 60 days and a signature ban of a year.

Good day to all. Thank you all for your support.
I want to ask you to review my account again for an appeal. I would like to say that I will continue my work to find scammers on the forum. Summer is ahead, besides the market is growing well now. In this regard, the influx of new scammers who will create a fake ICO or other fraudulent projects will undoubtedly increase. I want to help the forum by making it cleaner, and also to warn all our members of the forum about the danger of joining fraudulent projects.




I respect the rules of the forum, I have no alternative accounts, I write only in one topic.
Thanks you.

I am not arguing for anyone who has plagiarized to get off scott free, I am saying they shouldn’t be banned forever.

There is a reason why most jurisdictions has statute of limitations laws, and I think there should similarly be limits for forum punishments, especially permanent bans.

If the plagiarism is only a week or a month old, any subsequent contributions are not going to be relevant. If a year or two has gone by, and in that time, the person has not caused harm, he has shown himself to be someone who will not cause additional harm if he is allowed to continue participating. The person who plagiarized a month ago has not shown this.

Also the administration should have caught the person sooner for the one plagiarized two years ago. Someone could have a legitimate defense to what they did, but might have lost the evidence or forgotten the circumstances under which they made a few posts years ago. I think the number of people with legitimate defenses are few and far between, however *everyone* has the right to get to try to defend themselves.

There's a flaw in this ideology.

Let me simplify the structure of my thoughts into four alternative timelines for a given plagiarist.

P:= plagiarizing user
S:= plagiarized post.

1) P posts S. No one catches onto P. P, over a long time, contributes much to the forum. S is discovered years later. P is let go scot-free.
2) P posts S. No one catches onto P. P is an average user and much time passes. S is discovered years later. P is permanently banned.
3) P posts S. No one catches onto P. P is trying to contribute to the forum: they add some contribution. S is discovered weeks later. P is permanently banned.
4) P posts S. No one catches onto P. P is not trying to contribute to the forum. S is discovered weeks later. P is permanently banned.

The difference between 1 and 3 is the time between the discovery of S and the time it was posted. One user is pardoned because of their contributions. Another is not because they did not fulfill the baseline requirements of minimum contribution.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Retort: "They should have contributed right away!"

If both users 1 and 3 had the same localized post quality and contributory status, the situation would play our similarly. (after all, if you're copy-pasting, it's unlikely your post quality suddenly spikes)

Not possible. He copied the entire post and didn’t add anything to what was copied.

Or is it possible that the person lovesmayfamilis mistakenly copied the text manually instead of selecting the quote?

I write on many forums and on some of them the quote can be so highlighted.
Also, one more thing to note is that we are all ordinary people who can make mistakes. But when we see an error, we can improve and do not do more.

You contradict yourself here as you continued to do so even after Yogg made the thread about me, which was almost a year later. I had also had a sizable history before doing so and after being caught doing so. It was a couple months later that I was banned.  It was suggested I say “I’m unaware of what I did wrong”. I knew very little about Meta at the time, and had no idea what to say. So I asked a few people for advice.  I also wasn’t sure it was about plagiarism because I thought that had been settled. I can see why you’d feel that way from that statement though. I shouldn’t have even brought this up. Sorry to derail here.

Your plagiarized posts were not from a long time ago when you were banned, giving you no time to have changed your ways, nor to otherwise contribute to the forum. Further:
which does not give me confidence you would not do something similarly harmful to the forum given the opportunity. There was also a high profile fight against plagiarism at the time, and it was well publicized that plagiarism was not acceptable around here.   

No you don’t. You relentlessly went after me when I was trying to come back to the forum as well as when others fighting for me did the same after plagiarizing a couple post during one days time.

OP- it seems you’ve been a great member to this forum otherwise. I know what it’s like to be in your shoes. 99% of plagiarists here don’t deserve a second chance as they’re just here to make money, shit-post, and spread FUD (and you know that and it eats you up inside). Just remain positive here. You and I had no one to blame but ourselves. It seems the community as a whole wants to see you back, and even Hilarious gave you a vote of confidence. Theymos has mentioned how if you feel someone who’s been banned deserves a second chance, then start a thread and make the case for them. Maybe someone who knows you well could do so? I would also take Hilarious’s advice about contacting Theymos. I wish you luck, I know how much this sucks.

That is a lot of digging, I highly believe that his profile had that deep digging because of what he does to spammers and scammers, the guy exposes a lot of spammers and scammers and it must be some sort of revenge attempt that worked well, he does hold a part of the responsibility but this can also discourage other members who actively fight scammers and spammers, because if they happen to have made a small mistake a long time ago, the results will be obviously "terrible".

I hope Theymos will be a bit more flexible on the permaban subject, perhaps adding a date exclusion to this would be of a better idea IMO.

What happened already happened, but looking back at flow of discussion of the topic, in which lovesmayfamilies made his plagiarised post, that is something unrelated to financial interests (to hit post quota or to steal ideas, documents of others in order to get personal benefits). Maybe that guy only extremely careless and did not use quote. It's very valuable lesson, but I support the ban uplift for lovesmayfamilis, with signature ban instead.

If it is examined base on the plagiarized post, it is just 6 replies before it has been copied by lovesmayfamilis, maybe the reason is he's trying to remind the BM about the same question before it will be flooded of spam bounty posts. The wrong he had is that he copied it instead of quoting for a reminder (expected as you're a newbie, I suppose), I know it is still wrong but look from being a member that is fond of doing bounty promoting shitcoins to a member that have done nice things to reduce the spams and scams in the forum I do guess this member deserves a second chance. Moreover, he is just year old here in forum and look how he climb up to be a Hero rank (if forgiven, I know he can do it) few merits away, this should be member worthy of emulation too.

Just get through on your appeal, just don't give up.

If you are referring to ICO's, they are releasing their dox on websites they are running ICO's or information in scam accusation threads are pointing to false info released on their websites (names and pictures of people randomly taken from internet). Probably what moderator said.

Cmon, they exposed so many scams and are actively cleaning forum from scams. I don't see what is so great in this. Perhaps signature ban in this case would do it...just a thought.

Maybe, on that day lovesmayfamilis was too lazy to ask for bounty payments and copied & pasted post of another participant of that campaign. It would have been better if using quote to repeat the question, the account has likely been fined. I agreed that lovesmayfamilis should have another opportunity (with ban uplift) based on general positive net-effects in the forum with his/ her general contributions (scam findings - 79 scam projects found shown in the OP) over months.

No, that's because other DT1 members excluded her:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

It's seems like automatically detected by system. Proved by https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust user OP already crossed out.

Total scams found : 79


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50976309
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50852327
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50820890
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50791662
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50570961
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50510996
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50409946
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5126836
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50199333
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If this is true, he should have known better.

He also would have had the opportunity to review his old posts and delete any that were plagiarized.

Honestly I have seen so many post from you where you revealed many plagiarism issues but its really surprising for me that you have done the same mistake in past. Feeling really sad after seeing this thread. We have worked together on scam accusation section to keep our forum safer from fraudulent activators.

I hope our forum admin will reconsider your case because I believe your previous work for forum was really helpful for the community and it deserve a second chance.

I support a temp ban in ~all cases in which only a small amount of plagiarism is involved AND it happened a long time ago.

Plagiarism is undoubtedly both very wrong, and a major problem within the forum, but I don't see the benefit of removing someone who only did damage (plagiarized) years ago, especially if they are now otherwise being a member who is contributing to the forum.

Look like none of the user included in my custom trust list has included you because your sent feedback is not appearing as trusted to me.

Is anyone in DT is planning to doubling up the OP sent negative ratings?

Sad to hear that and i am already the same thinking as all others have written !

You was doing a nice job and work for fighting about against Spammers and Scammers !

For sure Rules are Rules and write to theymos and appeal about the ban because he already has written that in some post that if there is a user that is positive for the forum its possible for that the he get unbanned !

Good Luck on that and hope you will get an answer from him soon !

Seems she made mistake on past, and her ban is appropriate as well according to forum rules. But some case are excusable and a self made account being parma ban for previous mistake just for single plagiarism. It's really not appreciated. Yes, she may deserve any temp punishment like you said signature ban for a spam of time or temp ban for few weeks etc. She has been contributing for forum and I have noticed it from beginning. And I believe she isn't spammer at all like other people's.

I would like request to theymos please reconsider that case and give her a chance (second chance) for her contribution, so that we will get few good contributions from her.

OP, please try to contact theymos via PM or mail. Use this thread as a reference hope he will forgive you. DON'T GIVE UP.

My opinion won't solve anything, but I support lovesmayfamilis.
We all see her work on the forum almost every day. There aren't many users like that. I would give her a second chance.

I am pretty much sad to see, such an effortive poster getting banned.

The copy-paste @hilariousandco mentioned, could just be an unwilling step or a mistake at most. It also doesn't seem as an financially motivated one.

I think you, do not need to worry much as you are easily seen as an contributive member of the community, saving incoccent people's from scams, and also motivating your fellows to keep up the good work in busting scams. This is probably enough for Theymos to reconsider this case, I think.

I would obviously support an unban here.

I had always read the phrase "banned or manually blacklisted from selection" as meaning "banned from selection, or manually blacklisted from selection". Now I realize I'm probably mistaken in my interpretation. I assume it actually means "banned from the forum, or manually blacklisted from selection".

Regardless, I had forgotten about the 30 day posting requirement which would exclude the account anyway. Thanks.

Yes, I did it. In any case, it will be an attempt.
Thanks to everyone who supported. It is too expensive for me.

He'll drop off DT1 at the next update:

If the account remains banned, will it remain on DT1 indefinitely or will theymos manually remove it? Having DT1 accounts which are banned, and therefore will never update their trust lists pending new situations/behavior/evidence/etc. seems counter-productive.

oi - stop and take a chill pill, your recent efforts are proof you are a net positive to the forum. Email Theymos and point to this thread, pretty sure you will have more backing come in here - "IF" Theymos agrees you will end up with a signature ban and your account back. Just email the man and leave out all the god references dude

If I had the ability I would probably issue a sig ban in this case, but we've told you what you need to do but if you don't want to ask theymos for 'mercy' then that's up to you, but it's worth a shot rather than giving up. Maybe xandry will give you a vouch.

I will not ask anyone to be merciful. The error is not worth it.
My suggestion about clearing a signature BestMixer is definitely true.
I also see the statements of people whom I greatly respected, and the accusations of treason. Funny.


I was new. Where is my second account to say that I have experience? No second account! I never tried to deliberately deceive someone. One little mistake and a traitor's seal. So be it. Then do not trust anyone. In this land, there is no one without sin. Copying one sentence, completely unaware of what I'm doing.
Then I was more worried about freaking bounty.

 Medal to the one who found this phrase !!!! You are the real Sherlock Holmes!

So sad that you got banned.
You were really so active in the the scam accusations board and you will be missed 

What you've just said makes little to no sense, but state your case to theymos if you feel you are a net positive to the forum and maybe he'll issue a signature ban instead.

Chances, as I understand it, there is no. Plagiarism at the level of GOD!
Even the fact that I later stopped doing nonsense and began to disclose fraud will not affect the decision?
I wish success to all my friends, go and look around. The forum is a minefield. Here people have washed away, without assessing their opinions, as a usual garbage can.

This offer made my year!

Subscription company is open for those who want to have a place.
And also too many people on the forum.
That spit works.

Great, this serve as a perfect example to those who think some few members of the forum (especially DT members) are recieving some kind of privileges over others thinking they're untouchable. I'm not saying I'm happy you got banned for some past mistakes you must have made or maybe a misunderstanding but just saying your case as a DT member getting ban just prove the forum isn't biased.

Copy and pasting it seems:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bountycryptosolartech-4000000-tokens-soft-cap-reached-3544255
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.41547451

I would also like to treat everything with humor, but I, unfortunately, do not laugh.



  Many thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate it!

Scams aren't moderated, and not even against the rules, so that can't be the reason for your ban.

Could it be you accidentally doxed someone?

Sorry to hear that you got ban, wondering what is the reason? Did you copy pasted anything on past? Seems ban thread increasing on meta suddenly. A self made account ban isn't expected. However, ban has no business with trust nor trust is related with ban. So trust system can't do anything with your ban. If you broke any forum rules then forum would ban you even you are on DT, or not on DT.

Never mind someone excluded you and its not a valid reason of your ban as well. Everyone have their own opinion about exclusion and inclusion. 

As far as I know you were a good contributor for forum especially for expose scams. You helped lot of peoples to save their money. I don't know the exact reason of your ban but believe moderators has not made mistake. But fortunately we need peoples like you and really we don't want to lose that kind of user.

Admin & moderators should reconsider OP's ban since she is a good and helpful contributor. I believe forum really need this kind of user.  

I removed it because I saw you doing good things buddy. Let’s see what the ban is for

SORRY. I WORRY. FIXED

Good day to all. I was surprised to find out today that my account has been blocked.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lovesmayfamilis-1982152

I really liked this forum for the year when I was here. I always believed in the justice of the moderators. For the last 10 months, I am actively looking for fraudsters on the forum. I thought I was helping to clear the forum of scammers. It turns out I am a scammer?
I also noticed that people from the Russian local, who carried the signature BestMixer Signature Campaign --were blocked.
 What happened to each of us suddenly?
It is not difficult to guess that all this did not happen by chance.
Did someone diligently dig our past?
You could just ask, I would make room for the needy.
I was also in DT1. I know that some did not like it very much. But what's wrong with me? I did not fight with anyone, did not insult anyone, did not deceive anyone. Even those people with whom I was with a tilde, on my list were trusted and respected people.
I want to say thanks, TMAN. You removed the tilde from me, it was a great event for me. Thanks for this!
Anyone who did not like my presence on DT1, I did not create any competitors. If I once painted someone trusted, then it was rare and deserved.


Anyway, I am grateful for this forum. If there is any hope of justification,  check please do so.
I do not claim to be stars, all deserved merits were received from respected people. I'm very grateful to you !.
Once again, please check my account. I believe in the fairness of the forum. Otherwise, all topics to search for scammers - just fiction. No need to judge completely innocent people.
Good luck to all.



https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=lovesmayfamilis
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lovesmayfamilis-1982152