dznuts85 ------------------------------------- cheater

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Another alt of dznuts85 , Numanoid confirmed it himself at the girlbtc thread

Quote from: numanoid on May 06, 2015, 04:37:45 AM

Wow! there's a shitstorm going here and i don't even know .

Let me write my side of the story and sorry for it's going to be quite long.
So first of all, i started with 4 accounts , numanoid , Dznuts85 , Bitmarshall and TheGrapist .

When the scam took place i was no longer in possession of the account.
you can see chroncsky said that he sold it to someone on 1st April and 16th april while the giveaway took place on 16th march and later on it was sold.
Please read my comment properly before posting unbiased accusations.

Quote from: numanoid on May 06, 2015, 04:37:45 AM

Wow! there's a shitstorm going here and i don't even know .

Let me write my side of the story and sorry for it's going to be quite long.
So first of all, i started with 4 accounts , numanoid , Dznuts85 , Bitmarshall and TheGrapist .
I took part in first promo where it was asked to wager a btc to win 0.25 back and i successfully wagered btc from all accounts above except Dznuts85 . So admin paid me for Numanoid(my main account for this game) and told me the rest 0.25 will still be given to me after a month (it has been 2 months now) , he told that having multiple accounts isn't illegal but it is ileegal for promo , so i apologized and since then i haven't cheated .
Also , I swe if anyone thinks that i have cheated , i can give more proof , i no longer own Dznuts and TheGrapist Account though Bitmarshall is still in my possession.

waterpile

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Too much BS better leave the negative markers in those accounts..

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Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 09:15:55 AM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 08:49:23 AM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 08:44:08 AM

I buy this account and now with red trust. Sad

Yes sure. When did you buy it? From whom? What thread was is sold on?
I guess this means (regardless of it being true or a scammer's excuse) OP won't get his coins back.

Edit: According to seclog dznuts85's password was changed yesterday, presumably if the account was really sold it was then. However this thread was created before that.

He send pm if i want buy his account and i say yes and he give password and i give bitcoins

You bought this account (dznuts85) ? Can you prove that ?

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Quote from: chronicsky on April 25, 2015, 10:42:47 PM

I will try helping OP and helping myself and scammer too

Note to Scammer : give these 4 accounts to me : Crypto1990 , chijio , Dznuts85 and TheGrapist and i will return 0.25 BTC to OP , so he won't loose much . These account are useless to you anyway and now returning the btc won't get your neg removed either since you pulled a scam. So sell them to me for 0.25 (the btc will go to OP)
~Regards Sky

I doubt he will take this offer, currently dznuts85, TheGrapist are on bitmixer sig campaign perhaps bitmixer still pays for the negative trust user and the chijio account hasnt been tagged with red trust and still laying on bit-x campaign .

If he would return the amount to OP than he would have done so before all his account and alt are being tagged with red trust and his silence as well as the attempt to lie here are already a proof that he had no intention of returning any bit to OP

chronicsky

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Quote from: ajareselde on April 25, 2015, 10:27:44 PM

Quote from: chronicsky on April 25, 2015, 10:19:55 PM

Quote from: ajareselde on April 25, 2015, 09:57:12 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 25, 2015, 05:07:20 PM

It's just too bad that OP has almost zero chance of getting his money back. I hope he'll learn how to be safe to prevent being scammed as well as being honest with his costumers.

On a side note I wonder if some moderators use their ability to read deleted posts to track scammers. It would be great if they do. I guess it's quite common that a scammer accidentally posts with an alt account and deletes it immediately. Probably most of the time nobody can notice it, but moderators have access to that information.

It would be even better if moderators used their ability to read *changed btc addresses in various posts, because thats even more common for scammers.
I agree that OP is probably never to see his funds again, but hey, the scammer lost even more, if i counted accounts right

cheers

Let's make him loose a little more that is in my capacity.
Chijio and ianbelada3 is also his account , he first bought from me with ianbelada3 using Escrow as ninjaboon

http://prntscr.com/6y8fev
Then he later told me from his account : crypt1990 that he is ianbelada3
http://prntscr.com/6y8fzt
This is when i sold him Dznuts85

awesome share, serve him right to loose all that we can find, he should feel a bit what it feels like when he's the one loosing
now we just need someone from default trust to flag those two also ^^

I will try helping OP and helping myself and scammer too

Note to Scammer : give these 4 accounts to me : Crypto1990 , chijio , Dznuts85 and TheGrapist and i will return 0.25 BTC to OP , so he won't loose much . These account are useless to you anyway and now returning the btc won't get your neg removed either since you pulled a scam. So sell them to me for 0.25 (the btc will go to OP)
~Regards Sky

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Quote from: chronicsky on April 25, 2015, 10:19:55 PM

Quote from: ajareselde on April 25, 2015, 09:57:12 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 25, 2015, 05:07:20 PM

It's just too bad that OP has almost zero chance of getting his money back. I hope he'll learn how to be safe to prevent being scammed as well as being honest with his costumers.

On a side note I wonder if some moderators use their ability to read deleted posts to track scammers. It would be great if they do. I guess it's quite common that a scammer accidentally posts with an alt account and deletes it immediately. Probably most of the time nobody can notice it, but moderators have access to that information.

It would be even better if moderators used their ability to read *changed btc addresses in various posts, because thats even more common for scammers.
I agree that OP is probably never to see his funds again, but hey, the scammer lost even more, if i counted accounts right

cheers

Let's make him loose a little more that is in my capacity.
Chijio and ianbelada3 is also his account , he first bought from me with ianbelada3 using Escrow as ninjaboon

http://prntscr.com/6y8fev
Then he later told me from his account : crypt1990 that he is ianbelada3
http://prntscr.com/6y8fzt
This is when i sold him Dznuts85

awesome share, serve him right to loose all that we can find, he should feel a bit what it feels like when he's the one loosing
now we just need someone from default trust to flag those two also ^^

chronicsky

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Quote from: ajareselde on April 25, 2015, 09:57:12 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 25, 2015, 05:07:20 PM

It's just too bad that OP has almost zero chance of getting his money back. I hope he'll learn how to be safe to prevent being scammed as well as being honest with his costumers.

On a side note I wonder if some moderators use their ability to read deleted posts to track scammers. It would be great if they do. I guess it's quite common that a scammer accidentally posts with an alt account and deletes it immediately. Probably most of the time nobody can notice it, but moderators have access to that information.

It would be even better if moderators used their ability to read *changed btc addresses in various posts, because thats even more common for scammers.
I agree that OP is probably never to see his funds again, but hey, the scammer lost even more, if i counted accounts right

cheers

Let's make him loose a little more that is in my capacity.
Chijio and ianbelada3 is also his account , he first bought from me with ianbelada3 using Escrow as ninjaboon

http://prntscr.com/6y8fev
Then he later told me from his account : crypt1990 that he is ianbelada3
http://prntscr.com/6y8fzt
This is when i sold him Dznuts85

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 25, 2015, 05:07:20 PM

It's just too bad that OP has almost zero chance of getting his money back. I hope he'll learn how to be safe to prevent being scammed as well as being honest with his costumers.

On a side note I wonder if some moderators use their ability to read deleted posts to track scammers. It would be great if they do. I guess it's quite common that a scammer accidentally posts with an alt account and deletes it immediately. Probably most of the time nobody can notice it, but moderators have access to that information.

It would be even better if moderators used their ability to read *changed btc addresses in various posts, because thats even more common for scammers.
I agree that OP is probably never to see his funds again, but hey, the scammer lost even more, if i counted accounts right

cheers

chronicsky

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 25, 2015, 05:07:20 PM

Quote from: ajareselde on April 25, 2015, 04:30:26 PM

Its clear now that all those accounts are controlled by same person,all thaks to EcuaMobi's fast screenshot, and statement from chronicsky.
Doubt he will return stolen funds, but his accounts are pretty much useless until he does, and even if he pays up, negative will probably stay there.
This time scamming costed scammer more than what he stole,i believe.

cheers

It's just too bad that OP has almost zero chance of getting his money back. I hope he'll learn how to be safe to prevent being scammed as well as being honest with his costumers.

On a side note I wonder if some moderators use their ability to read deleted posts to track scammers. It would be great if they do. I guess it's quite common that a scammer accidentally posts with an alt account and deletes it immediately. Probably most of the time nobody can notice it, but moderators have access to that information.

That would be a great hassle for them as i think , There are many scam accussation's .
As for the OP , Please be aware using or doing any kind of deal , user Proper Security measures and do not trust anyone easily , Use Proper and Trusted Escrow to avoid any scams in future

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Quote from: ajareselde on April 25, 2015, 04:30:26 PM

Its clear now that all those accounts are controlled by same person,all thaks to EcuaMobi's fast screenshot, and statement from chronicsky.
Doubt he will return stolen funds, but his accounts are pretty much useless until he does, and even if he pays up, negative will probably stay there.
This time scamming costed scammer more than what he stole,i believe.

cheers

It's just too bad that OP has almost zero chance of getting his money back. I hope he'll learn how to be safe to prevent being scammed as well as being honest with his costumers.

On a side note I wonder if some moderators use their ability to read deleted posts to track scammers. It would be great if they do. I guess it's quite common that a scammer accidentally posts with an alt account and deletes it immediately. Probably most of the time nobody can notice it, but moderators have access to that information.

ajareselde

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Its clear now that all those accounts are controlled by same person,all thaks to EcuaMobi's fast screenshot, and statement from chronicsky.
Doubt he will return stolen funds, but his accounts are pretty much useless until he does, and even if he pays up, negative will probably stay there.
This time scamming costed scammer more than what he stole,i believe.

cheers

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Quote from: chronicsky on April 25, 2015, 12:49:46 AM

I have some doubts about this , as the account was sold by me , i will post more proof on this soon and confirming if Dznuts85 and TheGrapist is same guy because when i sold the account , i sold it to same person but the password was changed recently.

Edit : The account Dznuts85 was sold by me for 0.085 BTC (out of which 0.004 is still unpaid) on 1st April to Crypt1990 , it's password was changed on 23rd APril i.e. after the scam means the account still belonged to Crypt1990 and TheGrapist was sold by me to same guy on 16th April for 0.105 BTC whose password have not been changed since . So TheGrapist , Dznuts85 and Crypt1990 are same guy.
Also , you can see how he spams and increase his post count like this : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11151224 using all his three alts .
TheGrapist : http://prntscr.com/6xw8pf
Dznuts85 : http://prntscr.com/6xw8zv
@girlbtc.com Please use Reputable Escrow only for any of your deals . Most of the Reputable and Trusted Escrow can be found here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/escrow-list-108716

Thanks.

Makes things much more clear...

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I have some doubts about this , as the account was sold by me , i will post more proof on this soon and confirming if Dznuts85 and TheGrapist is same guy because when i sold the account , i sold it to same person but the password was changed recently.

Edit : The account Dznuts85 was sold by me for 0.085 BTC (out of which 0.004 is still unpaid) on 1st April to Crypt1990 , it's password was changed on 23rd APril i.e. after the scam means the account still belonged to Crypt1990 and TheGrapist was sold by me to same guy on 16th April for 0.105 BTC whose password have not been changed since . So TheGrapist , Dznuts85 and Crypt1990 are same guy.
Also , you can see how he spams and increase his post count like this : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11151224 using all his three alts .
TheGrapist : http://prntscr.com/6xw8pf
Dznuts85 : http://prntscr.com/6xw8zv
@girlbtc.com Please use Reputable Escrow only for any of your deals . Most of the Reputable and Trusted Escrow can be found here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/escrow-list-108716

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Quote from: Vod on April 24, 2015, 10:17:37 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 10:16:17 PM

You keep requesting more questions without giving a clear/credible response for the previous ones.

Most scammers do this...

im just trying to clear my name by answering all question they have in mind, but it seems i cant give them what i was trying to explain. im really sorry if im not good in english (maybe good but still i cant use some words needed)

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 10:16:17 PM

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 10:04:35 PM

i looked on the feedback and i saw nuetral feedback left by OP so i thought that thing was done already, but im still taking care because i didnt see a thread or whatover that will prove he already paid girlbtc the .3BTC that he is asking for. so i tried to send the amount 0.02156587 to his btc address and we didnt got any complaint from him about the price we paid for his account.

So you confirm you did read this neutral feedback saying OP was waiting for a 0.3BTC payment due on the 23rd.

Sure it clearly says "everything is OK". Great sign to buy an account! Note the clear link to this thread in scam accusations.

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 10:04:35 PM

anymore questions?

You keep requesting more questions without giving a clear/credible response for the previous ones.

I think I'm done here. It seems I'm just wasting my time, I will just keep reading.

the feedback left is nuetral, the ref link is locked. i thought the deal was done.

im sorry if my answer isnt clear for you. i am trying my best to answer those but unfortunately this is all i can do (in terms of english writing coz im not really good)

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 10:16:17 PM

You keep requesting more questions without giving a clear/credible response for the previous ones.

Most scammers do this...

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Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 10:04:35 PM

i looked on the feedback and i saw nuetral feedback left by OP so i thought that thing was done already, but im still taking care because i didnt see a thread or whatover that will prove he already paid girlbtc the .3BTC that he is asking for. so i tried to send the amount 0.02156587 to his btc address and we didnt got any complaint from him about the price we paid for his account.

So you confirm you did read this neutral feedback saying OP was waiting for a 0.3BTC payment due on the 23rd.

Sure it clearly says "everything is OK". Great sign to buy an account! Note the clear link to this thread in scam accusations.

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 10:04:35 PM

anymore questions?

You keep requesting more questions without giving a clear/credible response for the previous ones.

I think I'm done here. It seems I'm just wasting my time, I will just keep reading.

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Quote from: ajareselde on April 24, 2015, 09:51:01 PM

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:36:10 PM

Quote from: ajareselde on April 24, 2015, 09:31:03 PM

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:26:14 PM

have some more questions?

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 08:32:00 PM

So the question is: TheGrapist will you refund OP?

Here's an interesting question above. The one that u accidentally missed ^^

cheers

why i will? am i the one who talked to OP and got his .3BTC? you are thinking very limited inside the box mate. think of what i said in the previous posts!

So you and "your friend" know this diznuts85 scammer over facebook, and are working togeather on plans to make some bitcoins ..
Next thing that happens is user gets scammed 0.3, seams like you found a quick and easy way to "earn"
All this BS about paying amount to have rounded off balance left is just too funny to be true.

cheers

we dont know much about this dznuts. i only have some trade of BTC to fiat to him in the time bank is closed. dznuts account on facebook is very active, i dont know exactly how did my friend and dznuts started to talked.

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All this BS about paying amount to have rounded off balance left is just too funny to be true.

AFAIK dznuts originally didnt asked for a price, he gave the account details to my friend, after that my friend text me about this and i talked to my friend, i took a look on the account and i saw it was dznuts, i looked on the feedback and i saw nuetral feedback left by OP so i thought that thing was done already, but im still taking care because i didnt see a thread or whatover that will prove he already paid girlbtc the .3BTC that he is asking for. so i tried to send the amount 0.02156587 to his btc address and we didnt got any complaint from him about the price we paid for his account.

anymore questions?

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 09:48:55 PM

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:26:14 PM

That is how i write that sentence, maybe on some sentence i am good, but im not good on most words. i hope you can notice it

Really?

sometimes you use auxiliary verb "Do" and sometimes you forget it completely? Coincidentally you forgot to use it when writing on this post with your alt dznuts85 and when you posted that message I screenshot which you deleted immediately. English is not my native language either and I make a lot of mistakes but after I've learned how to use "Do" trust me I do use it.

look at all my previous unedited posts, you will see some more errors. i can promise you that

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 09:48:55 PM

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:26:14 PM

we have agree on a trade to fiat in the facebook group i am saying and i dont control him if he wants to leave feedback on me. well, if it is my alt, i should leave a feedback to dznuts too. right?

So was this for another deal? Which one exactly? Or are you saying you left the review after you "agreed" but before actually getting the account?

this a deal done for person to person trade of BTC to fiat money.

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 09:48:55 PM

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:26:14 PM

have some more questions?

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 08:32:00 PM

So the question is: TheGrapist will you refund OP?

i already answered that, why will i refund .3BTC to OP if i didnt take any amount from him? the previous owner of dznuts did!

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 09:48:55 PM

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:36:10 PM

why i will? am i the one who talked to OP and got his .3BTC? you are thinking very limited inside the box mate. think of what i said in the previous posts!

Because you scammed OP with your alt dznuts85 and you have enough to pay here: 12R9SPJBoiXmJiQ23HwM38gEWoBZ6FWk31
That's a very good reason in my opinion.

it is not my address, i believe it is dznuts's.

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Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:36:10 PM

Quote from: ajareselde on April 24, 2015, 09:31:03 PM

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:26:14 PM

have some more questions?

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 08:32:00 PM

So the question is: TheGrapist will you refund OP?

Here's an interesting question above. The one that u accidentally missed ^^

cheers

why i will? am i the one who talked to OP and got his .3BTC? you are thinking very limited inside the box mate. think of what i said in the previous posts!

So you and "your friend" know this diznuts85 scammer over facebook, and are working togeather on plans to make some bitcoins ..
Next thing that happens is user gets scammed 0.3, seams like you found a quick and easy way to "earn"
All this BS about paying amount to have rounded off balance left is just too funny to be true.

cheers

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Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:26:14 PM

That is how i write that sentence, maybe on some sentence i am good, but im not good on most words. i hope you can notice it

Really?

sometimes you use auxiliary verb "Do" and sometimes you forget it completely? Coincidentally you forgot to use it when writing on this post with your alt dznuts85 and when you posted that message I screenshot which you deleted immediately. English is not my native language either and I make a lot of mistakes but after I've learned how to use "Do" trust me I do use it.

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:26:14 PM

we have agree on a trade to fiat in the facebook group i am saying and i dont control him if he wants to leave feedback on me. well, if it is my alt, i should leave a feedback to dznuts too. right?

So was this for another deal? Which one exactly? Or are you saying you left the review after you "agreed" but before actually getting the account?

Quote from: ajareselde on April 24, 2015, 09:31:03 PM

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:26:14 PM

have some more questions?

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 08:32:00 PM

So the question is: TheGrapist will you refund OP?

Here's an interesting question above. The one that u accidentally missed ^^

Yep. The only questions I'd add are "will you refund OP?" and "seriously! do you expect us to believe that!?"

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:36:10 PM

why i will? am i the one who talked to OP and got his .3BTC? you are thinking very limited inside the box mate. think of what i said in the previous posts!

Because you scammed OP with your alt dznuts85 and you have enough to pay here: 12R9SPJBoiXmJiQ23HwM38gEWoBZ6FWk31
That's a very good reason in my opinion.

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Quote from: ajareselde on April 24, 2015, 09:31:03 PM

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:26:14 PM

have some more questions?

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 08:32:00 PM

So the question is: TheGrapist will you refund OP?

Here's an interesting question above. The one that u accidentally missed ^^

cheers

why i will? am i the one who talked to OP and got his .3BTC? you are thinking very limited inside the box mate. think of what i said in the previous posts!

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Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 09:26:14 PM

have some more questions?

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 08:32:00 PM

So the question is: TheGrapist will you refund OP?

Here's an interesting question above. The one that u accidentally missed ^^

cheers

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 09:08:44 PM

Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 08:41:42 PM

Here it is, i invited my real life friend to crypto world. We joined an local bitcoin facebook group. the current owner of dznuts talked to the previous owner about a certain topic, and sometime they went down on how to earn bitcoins in this forum. Time goes by and the previous owner offer his bitcointalk account to my friend, then my friend asked me if i can pay it for him coz he dont have bitcoins since he is just starting. So i made the payment to dznuts. I only sent a random about .02+ coz i want my balance to be left in my wallet rounded off.

Wondering why .02? it is because we saw the nuetral trust girlbtc sent to the account. and dznuts doesnt ask a price for his account so my friend and i thought we can pay this account for a cheap price

Did you come up with that ridiculous story just now? It's obvious what's happening but I'll just list some points that don't make sense:

Why did you write with a broken English in the message I screenshot? "We not agree on price...". Did you suddenly forgot English for a minute and remembered it again now? Obviously you have multiple personalities including your imaginary friend, dznuts85 and yenzae0215
Why did you leave a positive feedback on dznuts85's profile on the 21st? Explain why the way dznuts85 writes changed only today. Of course you didn't leave that feedback before "your friend" got the account.
The way you and dznuts85 write are the same since a long time ago.

That is how i write that sentence, maybe on some sentence i am good, but im not good on most words. i hope you can notice it
we have agree on a trade to fiat in the facebook group i am saying and i dont control him if he wants to leave feedback on me. well, if it is my alt, i should leave a feedback to dznuts too. right?
i cant prove anything on that. you cant please some people on how to write and understand english, it is not our main language.

have some more questions?

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Quote from: TheGrapist on April 24, 2015, 08:41:42 PM

Here it is, i invited my real life friend to crypto world. We joined an local bitcoin facebook group. the current owner of dznuts talked to the previous owner about a certain topic, and sometime they went down on how to earn bitcoins in this forum. Time goes by and the previous owner offer his bitcointalk account to my friend, then my friend asked me if i can pay it for him coz he dont have bitcoins since he is just starting. So i made the payment to dznuts. I only sent a random about .02+ coz i want my balance to be left in my wallet rounded off.

Wondering why .02? it is because we saw the nuetral trust girlbtc sent to the account. and dznuts doesnt ask a price for his account so my friend and i thought we can pay this account for a cheap price

Did you come up with that ridiculous story just now? It's obvious what's happening but I'll just list some points that don't make sense:

Why did you write with a broken English in the message I screenshot? "We not agree on price...". Did you suddenly forgot English for a minute and remembered it again now? Obviously you have multiple personalities including your imaginary friend, dznuts85 and yenzae0215
Why did you leave a positive feedback on dznuts85's profile on the 21st? Explain why the way dznuts85 writes changed only today. Of course you didn't leave that feedback before "your friend" got the account.
The way you and dznuts85 write are the same since a long time ago.

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 08:32:00 PM

By checking the latest posts of dznuts85 (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dznuts85-372600) I see he was writing in an acceptable English in general. Then suddenly he forgot English today when posting in this thread, he forgot how to write verbs and started making several pretty obvious (as in intentional) errors. However TheGrapist left a feedback in his account on the 21st of April:

At that date, the 22nd and the 23rd dznuts85 still knew how to speak English.

Also, TheGrapist has always written a proper English so I wonder why dznuts85 (controlled now by TheGrapist) can't. So the question is: TheGrapist will you refund OP?

Here it is, i invited my real life friend to crypto world. We joined an local bitcoin facebook group. the current owner of dznuts talked to the previous owner about a certain topic, and sometime they went down on how to earn bitcoins in this forum. Time goes by and the previous owner offer his bitcointalk account to my friend, then my friend asked me if i can pay it for him coz he dont have bitcoins since he is just starting. So i made the payment to dznuts. I only sent a random about .02+ coz i want my balance to be left in my wallet rounded off.

Wondering why .02? it is because we saw the nuetral trust girlbtc sent to the account. and dznuts doesnt ask a price for his account so my friend and i thought we can pay this account for a cheap price

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By checking the latest posts of dznuts85 (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dznuts85-372600) I see he was writing in an acceptable English in general. Then suddenly he forgot English today when posting in this thread, he forgot how to write verbs and started making several pretty obvious (as in intentional) errors. However TheGrapist left a feedback in his account on the 21st of April:

At that date, the 22nd and the 23rd dznuts85 still knew how to speak English.

Also, TheGrapist has always written a proper English so I wonder why dznuts85 (controlled now by TheGrapist) can't. So the question is: TheGrapist will you refund OP?

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Oops! You posted with your wrong account TheGrapist?

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Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 07:41:24 PM

Quote from: ajareselde on April 24, 2015, 06:50:39 PM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 05:20:51 PM

https://blockchain.info/tx/e8eeaa19fc79bea7450ad2e79595c4bbeec3c9be3e5022d162994d80288bb6b3
This the txid of i pay to him

To WHO did u pay, give us UID of member u paid to. U keep avoiding this .
U paid 0.02 BTC for full member account ? That's quite low, and now u know why ..

cheers

I pay to dznuts after he give password

lol
next time becareful if you buy an account at a price that does not make sense
0.02BTC = Full member.. wtf

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Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 05:20:51 PM

https://blockchain.info/tx/e8eeaa19fc79bea7450ad2e79595c4bbeec3c9be3e5022d162994d80288bb6b3
This the txid of i pay to him

Yea too bad this is bullshit. There is no way that the two of you agreed on such a random price. Both the fiat amount and the bitcoin amount are far from round numbers and I would never believe that a seller would be asking for .02156587 BTC for an account

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Quote from: ajareselde on April 24, 2015, 06:50:39 PM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 05:20:51 PM

https://blockchain.info/tx/e8eeaa19fc79bea7450ad2e79595c4bbeec3c9be3e5022d162994d80288bb6b3
This the txid of i pay to him

To WHO did u pay, give us UID of member u paid to. U keep avoiding this .
U paid 0.02 BTC for full member account ? That's quite low, and now u know why ..

cheers

I pay to dznuts after he give password

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Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 05:20:51 PM

https://blockchain.info/tx/e8eeaa19fc79bea7450ad2e79595c4bbeec3c9be3e5022d162994d80288bb6b3
This the txid of i pay to him

To WHO did u pay, give us UID of member u paid to. U keep avoiding this .
U paid 0.02 BTC for full member account ? That's quite low, and now u know why ..

cheers

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https://blockchain.info/tx/e8eeaa19fc79bea7450ad2e79595c4bbeec3c9be3e5022d162994d80288bb6b3
This the txid of i pay to him

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https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/roberson-490361 , user that "gave no collateral loan" (the one and only - what are the chances) to this diznuts85 original owner,
also does designs, and is alt of pagalwana (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10981232)

My thoughts are that there was no real loan, and it was only to fake some feedback.

@girlbtc, i advise you that u keep digging into him, as i am certain those are the same person.

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dznuts85 , are u familiar with these accounts :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/monvena-495739
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/boavico-343951
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vailaba-343331
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/benzenen-343326
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/memai-343265
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kinibore-343959
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lalaisen-313998

If we choose to play along that u bought this account, how much did u pay, and please post TX of payment , along with information, from who did u buy it from?

cheers

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Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 09:15:55 AM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 08:49:23 AM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 08:44:08 AM

I buy this account and now with red trust. Sad

Yes sure. When did you buy it? From whom? What thread was is sold on?
I guess this means (regardless of it being true or a scammer's excuse) OP won't get his coins back.

Edit: According to seclog dznuts85's password was changed yesterday, presumably if the account was really sold it was then. However this thread was created before that.

He send pm if i want buy his account and i say yes and he give password and i give bitcoins

This thread was created way before that and locked since OP decided to give him the benefit of doubt, I pmed OP asking him to unlock it so that people can be aware of this but OP trusted this guy and said that he will return it on thursday, yet OP not taken any advice from me, so I hope that this is a good experience for him.

Quote from: arallmuus on April 21, 2015, 12:49:49 PM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 21, 2015, 12:34:23 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on April 21, 2015, 09:53:28 AM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 21, 2015, 07:41:05 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on April 21, 2015, 07:31:27 AM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 21, 2015, 07:08:02 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on April 21, 2015, 07:00:10 AM

is dznuts acting as escrow for you?

no

so what is your scam accusation about?

he recieved my 0.3btc and do nothing

https://blockchain.info/tx/984040bc3b15e8a3ccc7a6f1b2634f8ba235104230a1462a9c9de836b9f44157

can you clarify on this? has he sent the 0.3 to another wallet and use it? please dont lock the thread of the scam accusation

yes he moved and used. and he promise to return it to me this thursday afternoon , so I　locked the thread。

No, dont lock it, so that people can see the matter about it. unlock it and post that dznuts using the funds for personal matter and will return it on thursday, otherwise you are letting a potential scammer to get away with this

Anyway im Not buying on the story that the account is sold, it is the same story all over after an account is tagged with red trust

1. Why would someone taking an account that someone suddenly PMed him without raising any red flag for him?surely a lie

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Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 09:15:55 AM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 08:49:23 AM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 08:44:08 AM

I buy this account and now with red trust. Sad

Yes sure. When did you buy it? From whom? What thread was is sold on?
I guess this means (regardless of it being true or a scammer's excuse) OP won't get his coins back.

Edit: According to seclog dznuts85's password was changed yesterday, presumably if the account was really sold it was then. However this thread was created before that.

He send pm if i want buy his account and i say yes and he give password and i give bitcoins

Yea that seems legit /s

Why would he send a PM to a random person like that? It would be much easier to sell via a thread.

Either way the .3 btc the OP sent to you is well above the value of your account so the OP is unlikely to get repaid with or without the account being sold.

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 24, 2015, 08:49:23 AM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 08:44:08 AM

I buy this account and now with red trust. Sad

Yes sure. When did you buy it? From whom? What thread was is sold on?
I guess this means (regardless of it being true or a scammer's excuse) OP won't get his coins back.

Edit: According to seclog dznuts85's password was changed yesterday, presumably if the account was really sold it was then. However this thread was created before that.

He send pm if i want buy his account and i say yes and he give password and i give bitcoins

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Quote from: dznuts85 on April 24, 2015, 08:44:08 AM

I buy this account and now with red trust. Sad

Yes sure. When did you buy it? From whom? What thread was is sold on?
I guess this means (regardless of it being true or a scammer's excuse) OP won't get his coins back.

Edit: According to seclog dznuts85's password was changed yesterday, presumably if the account was really sold it was then. However this thread was created before that.

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I buy this account and now with red trust. Sad

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Quote from: Vod on April 23, 2015, 10:29:05 PM

I hope the OP hasn't sent any coin to pokerowned...

He sent them to me. I am escrow for the signature campaign contest.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11139547

But yea the OP needs several lessons on how to protect his money and how to maintain his reputation.

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Licking my boob since 1970

I hope the OP hasn't sent any coin to pokerowned...

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If this is true, I doubt OP will get his money back, dznuts85 will just move to another account and then start to scam again. It's scammer behaviour so far.

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Quote from: ajareselde on April 23, 2015, 09:57:24 PM

Jesus Christ this is a mess...
Ill help out with what i gathered

dznuts85 changed his btc address in his profile for some reason, but doesnt matter, i found it, as per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1010937.10 his original address is 1cS2pLmSS3tRw4dmXyzTwGoZkAnnQbSFT
Proof of payment would probably be this : https://blockchain.info/de/tx/984040bc3b15e8a3ccc7a6f1b2634f8ba235104230a1462a9c9de836b9f44157

He then moved the funds https://blockchain.info/de/tx/426162149a40ec45383d38ae590023fd1b0a92f751e164e3c1d080c7dfba26dc , to 12R9SPJBoiXmJiQ23HwM38gEWoBZ6FWk31 , an address that belongs to
banned known scammer as per https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/need-05-loan-975540

I'm flagging account until i see some explanations from dznuts85

Yes I think that chain of events is what happened but I find it so disturbing that we need to guess. We don't have the complete facts from either side.
Nice find regarding the connection between the accused and a known scammer. ~~Someone from default trust must flag that account too until this is solved~~ [done].

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Jesus Christ this is a mess...
Ill help out with what i gathered

dznuts85 changed his btc address in his profile for some reason, but doesnt matter, i found it, as per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1010937.10 his original address is 1cS2pLmSS3tRw4dmXyzTwGoZkAnnQbSFT
Proof of payment would probably be this : https://blockchain.info/de/tx/984040bc3b15e8a3ccc7a6f1b2634f8ba235104230a1462a9c9de836b9f44157

He then moved the funds https://blockchain.info/de/tx/426162149a40ec45383d38ae590023fd1b0a92f751e164e3c1d080c7dfba26dc , to 12R9SPJBoiXmJiQ23HwM38gEWoBZ6FWk31 , an address that belongs to
banned known scammer as per https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/need-05-loan-975540

I'm flagging account until i see some explanations from dznuts85

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 23, 2015, 09:43:56 PM

Wow this is the worst formatted report I've ever seen. At least remove the 'code' tags, format it correctly and include that in OP.
Regardless sharing the original agreement you reached would help. What was the amount you agreed? Was he supposed to give any progress reports? What was the time limit? You're also missing the proof of payment.

True, can't understand much from it or from the OP.

But as little as I understand from OP's version:

OP hired dznuts for the sig campaign apparently and sent him 0.3 for it.
dznuts responded that sigs are not pretty enough and needs to be re-done and asked for more money.
OP replied that he doesn't wants that and asked that either start with the same sig and escrow the amount or return the money.
dznuts insisted that he knows what he's doing and the sigs need to be re-done.
OP doesn't likes the idea and asks him to return the funds.
dznuts moves the funds to his own address.
OP starts to see that maybe he will not get his refund, so he threatens to open this thread and stop his sig payment, which he did.

That's what I get from this so far..

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OP am i right thinking...

dznuts85 messaged you asking to be your signature campaign manager and for some reason you agreed to let him with no experience and not the best post history boarder line massive spammer run your campaign,, he then asks for 0.3btc for the signatures which is a very nice price for professionally done signatures plus some funds for runners up.

He then moves the funds for no reason at all, well his reason was so people never thought the funds was from you hmmm the campaign is for you so it should be very obvious that the funds were from you lol after this he asks for more funds 0.3 to be exact to pay even more for the signatures which brings it to a total of '0.6btc'!

This is around 3 x to much and should never have been asked for he clearly wanted his bit of the cake.

Please tell me if i have the events in order?

EDIT... Right... I see from your edited post above where you are much more clear that this exactly what has happened.. You should not need to wait for any funds from his campaign Huh

Also as stated please provide txid of the sent funds.

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Wow this is the worst formatted report I've ever seen. At least remove the 'code' tags, format it correctly and include that in OP.
Regardless sharing the original agreement you reached would help. What was the amount you agreed? Was he supposed to give any progress reports? What was the time limit? You're also missing the proof of payment.

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What happened:got 0.3btc to manage sig firstly and ask for another 0.3btc for design. I just gave him 0.3btc. when I found he do nothing I ask him to return ,but he said he has no money must wait for the sig his is in this thursday.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dznuts85-372600

Reference Link: this
Amount Scammed: 0.3btc
Payment Method:Bitcoins
Proof of Payment: https://blockchain.info/tx/984040bc3b15e8a3ccc7a6f1b2634f8ba235104230a1462a9c9de836b9f44157
PM/Chat Logs: as listed above
Additional Notes:he is very good at English ,and make promises everywhere.

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OP you should clearly explain exactly what happened besides just posting the PMs. Is dznuts the middle man to hire the designer? Why didn't you contact the designer directly? Or is making the design?
Include all the information as explained here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-report-format-use-it-to-make-scam-reports-properly-260073, especially mention the exact original agreement you reached.

I will PM dznuts85 to ask for his version.

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Quote from: dznuts85 on April 21, 2015, 07:58:58 AM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 21, 2015, 07:43:09 AM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 21, 2015, 07:33:02 AM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 21, 2015, 07:30:48 AM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 21, 2015, 07:27:55 AM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 21, 2015, 07:27:03 AM

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Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 21, 2015, 07:21:33 AM

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Quote from: dznuts85 on April 21, 2015, 07:09:55 AM

LOL its not mine. its an exchange address.. dont you notice it dont have outgoing transaction?

but you said it is yours. my friend ,dont lie

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 17, 2015, 01:34:28 AM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 17, 2015, 01:27:22 AM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 17, 2015, 01:24:01 AM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 17, 2015, 12:14:43 AM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 16, 2015, 10:47:59 PM

After what happened there is no one or maybe very few that will trust the site. if they see that you are willing to spend money and is really serious for your sig campaign to promote the site then they will start to love your site. All we need is a good design trust me

we do things step by step , I have sent you 0.3btc and you ask for another 0.3 ,that is not good. what ever the reason for . it is not safe for me.

if you like ,we have following solution
1.you use simple sig firstly.and use escrow to start the compaign.
2.you send the 0.3btc(I sent you) to the designer, and I will pay the adv.

we can not just buying respect ,that's expensive . respect comes from our service and fair game my friend,not from adv.

If we use the simple sig it will not attract people, people will look for an effort for advertisinG. I know what im doing man, pls trust me on this i will never let you down. everything ia almost done, except for the signature. I already did an effort writing for your sig campaign. All you need to do now is just a little more effort.

I saw you moved the bitcoin I sent you , I am so sorry , trust goes step by step.

first step I sent you 0.3btc ,second you should do sth not just asking for more btcs for any reason.

if you want ,you can start the sig cam with your main account. not a new one.

Ive move it to my main address. I dont want to be linked to your account for now while everything is not good.

yeah its my mine address. but it doesnt mean i own the funds inside it. its a exchange address. i only own the recent transaction, when i send the money, it uses deiffrent address that is why that address doesnt have outgoing transaction

can you see outgoing transaction from that address?

your English is very　good,and you can work for us. as a English staff. haha

try to register here.. coins.ph so you will know how it works.

i can work with you if you want without salary.. are you serious about it?

how much is your sig pay ,and when .

it will reach about 0.2BTC on thursday

show me the link

http://bitsig.website/beta/

enter my userID: 372600

when is the next payment time?

This thursday afternoon

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 21, 2015, 11:23:34 PM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 21, 2015, 11:01:05 PM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 21, 2015, 01:00:10 PM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 21, 2015, 12:54:17 PM

I am sorry some message me that I can not lock the scam accuses while you are in fact using my money.

I think you should find some money and return to me firslt and I close everything .

and you go on with your sig. It should not me to wait you for the thursday, right?

Its ok i wont force you to close it. But just to let you know, if i aint got my sig payment because of thaf i wont be able to pay you

that's my money ,you shouldn't threaten me . my friend.

Im not threatening you. Im just saying the fact that if i dont get payment i cant pay you. what is hard to understand about that?

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 23, 2015, 10:22:25 AM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 23, 2015, 10:19:47 AM

when？

Im still waiting for the wd of payment

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waiting for his money 23-04 as he promise.

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Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 21, 2015, 01:26:34 AM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 17, 2015, 01:44:52 AM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 17, 2015, 01:38:50 AM

I have paid 0.3btc to you , I allow you to use this 0.3 pay for the sig design.

be confident, we will be fine. and stronger.

if i use this to pay the designer, then there is no more funds in escrow which is the real problem for us. This will be the last time We will need extra funds just because of the design for preparatino. the address that i sent to you is the designers address, he is asking for the payment

Are you using dznuts for escrow? he is not a reputed member and hasnt open up escrow service before. If he claim designer wants payment, then let the designer send the address themselves

Dznuts, please clarify, who is the designer?

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Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 23, 2015, 09:34:02 PM

What happened:got 0.3btc to manage sig firstly and ask for another 0.3btc for design. I just gave him 0.3btc. when I found he do nothing I ask him to return ,but he said he has no money must wait for the sig his is in this thursday.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dznuts85-372600

Reference Link: this
Amount Scammed: 0.3btc
Payment Method:Bitcoins
Proof of Payment: https://blockchain.info/tx/984040bc3b15e8a3ccc7a6f1b2634f8ba235104230a1462a9c9de836b9f44157
PM/Chat Logs: as listed above
Additional Notes:he is very good at English ,and make promises everywhere.

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 17, 2015, 01:44:52 AM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 17, 2015, 01:38:50 AM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 17, 2015, 01:34:28 AM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 17, 2015, 01:27:22 AM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 17, 2015, 01:24:01 AM

Quote from: girlbtc.com on April 17, 2015, 12:14:43 AM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 16, 2015, 10:47:59 PM

After what happened there is no one or maybe very few that will trust the site. if they see that you are willing to spend money and is really serious for your sig campaign to promote the site then they will start to love your site. All we need is a good design trust me

we do things step by step , I have sent you 0.3btc and you ask for another 0.3 ,that is not good. what ever the reason for . it is not safe for me.

if you like ,we have following solution
1.you use simple sig firstly.and use escrow to start the compaign.
2.you send the 0.3btc(I sent you) to the designer, and I will pay the adv.

we can not just buying respect ,that's expensive . respect comes from our service and fair game my friend,not from adv.

If we use the simple sig it will not attract people, people will look for an effort for advertisinG. I know what im doing man, pls trust me on this i will never let you down. everything ia almost done, except for the signature. I already did an effort writing for your sig campaign. All you need to do now is just a little more effort.

I saw you moved the bitcoin I sent you , I am so sorry , trust goes step by step.

first step I sent you 0.3btc ,second you should do sth not just asking for more btcs for any reason.

if you want ,you can start the sig cam with your main account. not a new one.

Ive move it to my main address. I dont want to be linked to your account for now while everything is not good.

I have paid 0.3btc to you , I allow you to use this 0.3 pay for the sig design.

be confident, we will be fine. and stronger.

if i use this to pay the designer, then there is no more funds in escrow which is the real problem for us. This will be the last time We will need extra funds just because of the design for preparation. the address that i sent to you is the designers address, he is asking for the payment

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