Topic: Earning From Digital Ads Will Be Taxed (e.g., Signature Campaign) (Read 742 times)

Hirap din kasing mag verify ng BIR dito sa forum kasi anonymous tayo, unlike sa youtube pwedeng maging partner ng BIR ang youtube at humingi ng information about their partners or mga youtubers sa pilipinas. Sa crypto naman, yung coins.ph lang ang sakop ng BIR dahil regulated ito ng government natin, kaya lang, mahabang process kung iisahin nila transaction natin dahi hindi naman lahat ng pumapasok sa coins.ph ay income na lahat yun.

Marami akong nababasa na mga articles pero di ko sure kung totoo ba na pati ang mga youtubers or streamers ay magkakaroon na rin ng tax na alam naman din naten ay kumita din sa ads lalo na ang mga youtubers. Tingin ko sa forum naten mukang agree din ako sa ibang mga members na malabong malagyan ng tax ang mga signature campaign dito. Sa tingin ko magfofocus ang Tax sa mga malalaking company na kung saan maraming tao na ang kumikuta tulad na lamang ng Facebook at youtube. Kung ikukumpara nga naman ang ang mga website or social mediai sites na ito ang tila mukang malaking pera ang makukuha ng gobyerno dito.

Maganda yan kabayan, pero mas maganda kung tumulong nalang tayo sa mga relatives natin sa pamamagitan ng pera na makukuha natin, yung sa signature campaign income di naman aabot ng 250k per year yon, so kahit mag report ka, non taxable pa rin yan, in short, wala kang contribution sa government.


Magandang example din yan, pero yun nga sa law, subject to tax pa rin dahil lahat daw ng income subject to tax, pero in real life hindi naman lahat tayo nagbabayad di ba, so signature campaign ganon rin yan, kung lahat subject to tax, malamang lahat ng tao sa BIR ay magpa file ng kanilang tax return.

yung mga nag bebenta ng balot, kwekwek, tempura, yosi, pati na rin candy, dapat mag file sila kung pagbabasihan natin yung pangkalahatang batas.


Tama, dahil hindi naman lahat sa atin dito may alam sa batas, yung iba student pa nga di ba, may high school pa na ang signature campaign.
tingnan mo nalang example ko sa taas,.... so depende na talaga, pero kung practical ka siguro, di mo na gagawing mag file.

Signature camp will fall under freelancing, supposedly ang mga Filipino ano man ang pinagkakakitaan ay dapat magfile or magreport ng income sa BIR (nasa batas yan) then they (BIR) will categorize kung magtatax ba tayo o hindi.  Iyon nga lang hindi ito nasusunod.  Sa totoo lang wala naman dapat pagtalunan kung susundin ang nasasaad sa batas.  Kapag hindi natin sinunod ang batas, automatic mali na iyon kahit ano pang katwiran ang gawin natin to justify na tama ang ginawa natin.

Sang-ayon ako na walang ganoong capability ang BIR na itrace isa-isa ang mga kumikita online, kaya nasa sa atin na lang kung magiging tapat ba tayo sa gobyerno o tapat sa gusto nating gawin .

Sa tingin ko hindi kasama ang signature campaign sa paglalagay ng tax sa mga digital ads kasi hindi ito full time, hindi rin tiyak kung hanggang kailan or magkano ang kabuuan ng sasahurin mo throughout the campaign. Halimbawa na lang sa mga musikero na nagkakaroon ng gig, freelancer din sila pero hindi sila tinataxan ng bir dahil nga hindi naman iyon regular same as signature campaign. Besides kung isama man nila ang tax sa atin sa papaanong paraan nila magagawa yon aber?

If there will be a survey conducted by our local governments regarding on what type of jobs we do to earn and request to give tax unto them then I will not evade it and comply with the law, our economy suffers to much and our government need help to function well or revive the economy. This is our simple help so that we will not suffer for economic loss of our country.

I know most of us are not earning 250k per year from signature campaign, but according to @Bttzed03 our income is taxable so we need to report it even if we are not required to pay, but for me, hell no, we will only give an idea to BIR that this kind of job or business exist.

Yun din ang iniisip ko. We don't have any KYC dito sa forum and our identity here will stay as anonymous. Kumbaga, BIR won't even touch or mingle with signature campaign participants unless ikaw o tayo mismo ang mag rereveal sakanila which of course hindi natin gagawin. And we are not actually earning 250,000 php a year (well, as for me) kaya not subject to pay annual taxes.

Sana ay may irecosinder sila dito lalo na ung mga small online sellers at freelancers na ito lang ang ikinabubuhay.z[

I don't think na magagawa nilang matrace lahat ng Filipino accounts dito sa forum unless they would really give huge effort para lang makuha lahat ng identitiy ng kada users na pinoy rito but then it would take them months to years just to verify the real users behind these anonymous accounts (unless you've participated in Social Media campaigns which would make it easier to find you). Also, we're using coins.ph with our crypto transactions (mostly) and they have transaction fees na ginagamit nila para kumita and with that napupunta din yung tax from our fees to their ITR. Right?


Mas nakakatawa pa sa bagong pakulo ng BIR is paano yung mga freelancer sa Fiverr, Upwork, 99designs, at iba pa? Would they be able to track ALL Filipinos earning more than 250K in those vast platforms? With the capability pa nga lang ng ating NBI sa cyber tracking is hindi pa ganoon ka possible matrace nila lahat ngayon at madami nang naglipanang mga VPNs, MAC address changing, and even mga private IPs na iba iba.


Indeed, hindi naman tayo part ng isang company para magkaroon ng auto-filing ng insurances eh. Hence kahit na itax tayo, I don't think this would also count sa mga pensions from those beneficial agencies (unless you've open an insurance indicating where your money came from). And AFAIK if you were on legal age (19 na daw si Maus0728), pwedeng ikaw na mag asikaso ng mga legal files mo particularly ITRs and Reports, and based on my experience kung wala ka pa namang work or less than 250K naman kinikita mo per year then madali lang magfile ng reports eh.

Agree ako dito. Eh yung mga freelancing jobs nga lang ay hirap na nilang ma-trace, pano pa kaya ang mga signature campaign participants dito na anonymous ang mga users.

Kung kumikita ka ng 250k+ per year, then mas mabuti pang ayusin mo na ang tax mo kasi coins.ph ang magiging proof ng kita mo. Unless you use other payment method na hindi kayang I-trace. Kasi I think na kasama ang signature campaign as an online job kasi kumikita tayo ng totoong pera na ginagastos natin sa bansa as stated by the law na any income coming from the internet.


I think earners of 250k pesos and above lang ang kasama sa mga tax. Kaya kung ang kita mo ay umabot ng ganyan, sure na hahanapin ka nila lalo pa kapag coins.ph ang gamit mo.

I'm sure hindi sila masyado aware sa ganapan sa surface ng cryptocurrency, ang sigurong pagkakaalam lang nila about it is isa lang itong form ng investment or payment mode of a business. Kapag kasi nakakarinig sila ng word na business automatic na sa kanila yan kase may perang dumadaloy doon. Pero with the signature campaigns being taxed? malabo pa sa sabaw ng pusit yan, kasi kung tatanungin mo sila ng "paano?" hindi na nila alam ang isasagot, baka ang sabihin lang nila e " edi ireport nyo sa amin." they should research about it generally before coming up with this memorandum. Hindi naman ako ganon ka against sa pagbabayad ng tax kase sa taong bayan din naman napupunta yan ( unless kurakutin nila ) , even on taxing netflix and other internet services agree din ako kase kailangan talaga natin ng malaking pondo sa gitna ng pandemya. Pero sa pagkakataong ito, sa bagay na to, I strongly disagree.

Fringe benefits per se are benefits provided under an employment contract. Ibig sabihin you are only eligible if you are under employer-employee relationship. Hindi kasali ang mga independent online/digital marketers dyan. Like I said in my previous comment, sig campaigns are more like income from freelancing or from being self-employed.

Just to clarify SSS/Philhealth/Pagibig are part of non-taxable fringe benefits.
 
There is no age restriction actually. Pati yung mga under age, legal guardians ang magaasikaso ng filing at payment.

I'm adding another section in the tax code for reference of all readers:


Based on the above, you are required to file an ITR. But again, if your taxable annual income is equal to or falls below the 250K treshold, zero ang tax due mo (wala kang babayaran).

Natatawa lang ako sa balitang ito kasi para sa akin malamang may tax requirement na naman ito yung tipong pag hindi 250,000 a year ang kita mo dito eh hindi ka itatax. Kasi sa sinasalihan ko ngayon kakapurit lang natatanggap ko tipong pangyosi lang sa isang araw ang kita ko sa isang linggo so para sa akin malaking kalokohan ang itax pa nila ang mga signature campaigns. 300 pesos a month ang kita itatax pa, diba?

I don't know if @Bttzed03 will agree to this.

If signature campaign participant will be taxed, then what are the taxable fringe benefits we can get? Kasi diba kung nagbabayad ka ng tax, let's say for example, an employee working for a company in our country, may benefits yan such as SSS deduction, PhilHealth Deduction, Pag-Ibig deductions etc.. -- eligible ba tayo para makakuha ng mga yan?

These people who are earning from digital marketing/ freelancers/ online sellers/ bloggers are somewhat independent kasi sarili lang din naman inasahan nila in the first place; they provide their own electricity, foods, materials while working inside their home right? Kahit yung government walang pake don.

I don't think so. Coins.ph pa lang yari ka na eh, just admit that we've surrendered our identities to maximize their services -- for our own sake and ease of use right?

Yan din naisip ko nung una but then naisip ko na I disclosed my personal identity sa centralized exchanges (CEX) and custodial wallet (coins.ph) which can be easily ties sa btc addresses natin -- wala pa naman coin control function yung mga yun LOL.

Yes! Regardless of what term we will be using, both of them are still generating an income.

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@Bttzed03

How about age differences? Kasama din ba yun sa factors na kinoconsider to make the subject taxable or not? I am 19 yrs old pero I am sa earning signature campaign (digital marketing). Am I subjected to tax?

Magkakamot panigurado ng ulo yung pagsasabihan mo ng signature campaigners hehe. Pwede naman online/digital advertisers kagaya ng nakasaad sa title ng OP.

Kung working ka naman tapos active ka sa sig campaigns, pwede mo naman sabihin sa HR na isama din sa ITR mo yun dahil meron tayong tinatawag na mixed income. Dagdag trabaho nga lang talaga pagdating sa presentation, computation, at payment kung sakali. 

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Karamihan dito ay wala naman argument sa legality pero maraming tanong about sa implementation. While I agree na mahihirapan ang BIR sa pag-handle nito at malamang mag-focus sila sa mga mas malalaking online merchants/digital earners, hindi natin ito pwede gawing excuse para hindi tayo mag-declare ng kinikita natin online (kasama na sig campaigns). 

The law mandating us to declare all income and register business is not new. Marami sa atin ang hindi aware pero before pa magkaroon ng RMC 60-2020, may mga vloggers/freelancers/online sellers at iba pang digital earners ang nagko-comply sa filing at declaring ng mga income nila.

Sa tingin ko naman nakapagbigay na ako ng sapat na basis/references kung bakit subject to tax ang mga digital ads kaya final contribution ko na siguro ito sa thread na ito.

Nice discussion we got here, di ko alam may accountants and lawyers pala dito, tama ba ako? hehe..

Anyway, allow me to share my opinion regarding the topic, maaring taxable ang income natin pero personally hindi ako mag reremit gaya ng karamihan sa atin, kung baga, maghihintay nalang ako na mas matackle pa ang signature campaign income para mas klaro. Sa tagal ko na dito sa forum, never kung naisip na kailangan mag remit ng income natin dahil kung sa work, yung HR na mismo ang mag deduct ng tax sa sahod natin, so kung tayo ang mag remit nito, parang business na rin, or self employed tayo gani ng sabi ni Bttzed03... ayaw kung isipin ng ganyan dahil pag tinanong ako dito sa amin about anong work ko,,anong sasabihin ko, signature campaigners? hehe.. sorry guys, medyo complicated lang on my part.

I got it (selling sig space) mixed up. It's supposed to be renting out sig space/selling your service to promote a particular company.

"Applying" for sig campaigns can also be seen this way:

Company A wants to promote something by renting sig space and availing services of independent advertisers so a representative announced it here on bitcointalk. He laid out the terms/contract and asks members here who is willing to rent out their sig space and promote the company meeting the required no. of posts. As a sign of willingness, the representative asks members to post their usernames and other data. The representative will then choose whose sig space and service they want to avail.

For members with threads renting out their signature, yes they have added their own terms but companies who would avail will most likely have their own conditions too and not just buy outright (i.e. number of posts/week). When it's all set, both parties will have to abide by the terms they agreed. 

'Signature space' on bitcointalk can also be seen as similar to a space being rented out in other websites/blogs.

Anyway, technicalities aside, renting out signature or selling services to promote something is not that different from what freelancers or self-employed do. Products/Services may be different but both are still generating income. Since it's not specifically stated under the law that it's exempted, the income generated is subject to tax.

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I failed to put this in my previous comment but the 250K treshold isn't limited to income gained under employer-employee relationship. It also applies to online sellers, corporations, freelancers, or self-employed.

Selling signature campaign space? I think what I found is renting signature space, there's a big difference.
I did a little research about selling services and I can't even find similar services with signature campaign.
https://simplicable.com/new/service-business

When we talk about selling signature space, we just need to wear the signature and the transaction is done, and when you are selling, you are the one telling the buyer what you are selling and he buys.

Most of the time it's different, the usual scenario is, there's a new campaign, the manager made an announcement with the rules and the requirement of the campaign, and we are required to apply in order to get accepted, so this is not us selling, it's us applying for the job as it's more than just wearing a signature in our profile since at the same time we are oblige to follow the rules of the campaign which if we fail, we will not get paid even if we are wearing the signature.

Did you missed the part where it says "Except when otherwise provided in this Code". Did you see in the tax code that income from digital ads are exempted?

Let me rephrase that, unless it is stated in the tax code that income from sig campaigns or other digital ads are exempted from law, it is subject to tax.

@plvbob0070 my reponse above also addresses your "siguro dapat may specific" comment.

You are making an assumption that it should fall under under an employer-employee relationship and that's the limitation of your argument.

It may look like that since we are the one "applying" but compensation from digital ads can easily be categorized as income from freelancing or from selling your signature space to other companies (self-employed). Go check the services board and you can see some members with "selling my sig space/avatar or advertise your project/company in my sig" types of posts.

Butting in,  sa tingin ko wala naman problem sa pagdedeclare ng kita dito sa signature campaign, yun nga lang macocompromise ang identity ng account.  

The thing is, we are all resident ng Pilipinas sa board na ito (ewan ko lang kung merong hindi) so bound tayo ng batas na sinasabi ni Bttzed03 na naayon sa  Section 23-A  so walang argument about that.

Ngayon ang binding agreement sa signature campaign na hinahanap ni mirakal.  The binding agreement ay iyong pag-apply sa signature campaign at pagtanggap ng campaign manager sa iyo through post confirming that we are accepted or ang spreadsheet na nakalagay ang pangalan natin na tanggap na tayo.

If ever magkaroon ng sigalot pwede ba tayong magreklamo, of course pwede since we have the evidence which is the Campaign announcement thread, the application post, the acceptance post and the spreadsheet.  Ang hindi ko lang masagot is saan tayo pwede magreklamo, sa Pilipinas ba o sa bansa ng may hawak ng campaign o sa bansa kung saan nakabase ang kumpanya na may-ari ng signature campaign.  Sa isang crime kasi dapat ang kaso ay pinafile kung saan nangyari ang krimen.  Babagsak ang kaso under cyber fraud crime.

Regardless, we have the responsibility to declare our income sa gobyerno, no ifs, no buts, nasa batas yan. at malinaw na malinaw.  Kahit mga freelancer, nagpafile pa rin ng income sa BIR exempted nga lang sila dahil di umaabot sa minimum requirement for taxing.