Topic: eBay removing Bitcoin listings... (Read 3237 times)
Yep mine are still active, one perrson bid the minimum so far 10 bux on my 1 coin lol. See if they all three sales stay up. My point I was going to accept DWOLLA for payment and skip paypal crap.
I put 3 sales on ebay one for 5 bitcoins, the other for 5 bitcoins and the other for 1 bitcoin, last I checked there still active lol. Let me look again, just put them on last night because I saw people getting 30 bux for a coin when I bought mine for 16 bux. Not too bad of a quick flip on 11 coins.
Can you put up a listing selling a USB stick with a wallet.dat file, with a link pointing to a blockexplorer.com adress showing how many bitcoin are currently in that address? eBay likely won't find it if there is no mention of Bitcoin, and those in the know will know what they are buying and how much is in there.
If my eBay account wasn't banned already, I would try this out.
Can you put up a listing selling a USB stick with a wallet.dat file, with a link pointing to a blockexplorer.com adress showing how many bitcoin are currently in that address? eBay likely won't find it if there is no mention of Bitcoin, and those in the know will know what they are buying and how much is in there.
looked at listings a while ago... bitcoins selling around $30 each on ebay right now.
LOL 
I have been selling on evilBay for years and they are fascists dogs!
I'd have thought you wouldn't even try to sell BTC on that place. Also bear in mind they own PayPoo so... fricken figures
I have been selling on evilBay for years and they are fascists dogs!
I'd have thought you wouldn't even try to sell BTC on that place. Also bear in mind they own PayPoo so... fricken figures
If only there was some secure currency that could be easily and quickly traded over the Internet that wasn't subject to regulation by governments or companies like PayPal -- we could use it to easily buy and sell Bitcoins.
All right, later on today, if I get bored enough, totally making a Parody site that allows you to buy and sell Bitcoins using Bitcoins as the form of currency lol
But you can't use the USD to buy BTC or you'll be delisted!!!
If only there was some secure currency that could be easily and quickly traded over the Internet that wasn't subject to regulation by governments or companies like PayPal -- we could use it to easily buy and sell Bitcoins.
All right, later on today, if I get bored enough, totally making a Parody site that allows you to buy and sell Bitcoins using Bitcoins as the form of currency lol
The alternative is a system where we cannot sell Bitcoin through eBay at all, I don't like that system lol
Fair enough.If only there was some secure currency that could be easily and quickly traded over the Internet that wasn't subject to regulation by governments or companies like PayPal -- we could use it to easily buy and sell Bitcoins.
Lol!!
The alternative is a system where we cannot sell Bitcoin through eBay at all, I don't like that system lol
Fair enough.If only there was some secure currency that could be easily and quickly traded over the Internet that wasn't subject to regulation by governments or companies like PayPal -- we could use it to easily buy and sell Bitcoins.
That leaves you vulnerable to fraud. The buyer says he didn't like the item or it wasn't as described and he sent it back. He keeps your bitcoins.
Thought of that already, thus the "real" listings would have to take place on established communities I think. This idea only works when there is already an established base of trust with the other users. In theory, any forum could be used to test these things, as long as they trust the users they are buying from (who are of course the ones putting up the eBay listings).
Fraud would be the risk in this situation.
The alternative is a system where we cannot sell Bitcoin through eBay at all, I don't like that system lol
"Please do not list any additional items that will be electronically sent to the buyer."
Guys. Stop listing the Bitcoin in the auction.
Sell a damn USB stick that "Has gone unchecked and unclean, I do not know the files, if any, on the stick"
Link to your auction through a locked off forum that eBay cannot see themselves without registering, all threads pointing to eBay can list the actual contents of the USB stick. To the next level, let's put porn and other things on those USB sticks too. See how many 'dirty' usb sticks you can sell on eBay.
Why would this be any different than the people who sell unlocked/unopened safes for large amounts of cash based on the fact that no one knows what is inside?
That leaves you vulnerable to fraud. The buyer says he didn't like the item or it wasn't as described and he sent it back. He keeps your bitcoins. Guys. Stop listing the Bitcoin in the auction.
Sell a damn USB stick that "Has gone unchecked and unclean, I do not know the files, if any, on the stick"
Link to your auction through a locked off forum that eBay cannot see themselves without registering, all threads pointing to eBay can list the actual contents of the USB stick. To the next level, let's put porn and other things on those USB sticks too. See how many 'dirty' usb sticks you can sell on eBay.
Why would this be any different than the people who sell unlocked/unopened safes for large amounts of cash based on the fact that no one knows what is inside?
"Please do not list any additional items that will be electronically sent to the buyer."
Guys. Stop listing the Bitcoin in the auction.
Sell a damn USB stick that "Has gone unchecked and unclean, I do not know the files, if any, on the stick"
Link to your auction through a locked off forum that eBay cannot see themselves without registering, all threads pointing to eBay can list the actual contents of the USB stick. To the next level, let's put porn and other things on those USB sticks too. See how many 'dirty' usb sticks you can sell on eBay.
Why would this be any different than the people who sell unlocked/unopened safes for large amounts of cash based on the fact that no one knows what is inside?
Guys. Stop listing the Bitcoin in the auction.
Sell a damn USB stick that "Has gone unchecked and unclean, I do not know the files, if any, on the stick"
Link to your auction through a locked off forum that eBay cannot see themselves without registering, all threads pointing to eBay can list the actual contents of the USB stick. To the next level, let's put porn and other things on those USB sticks too. See how many 'dirty' usb sticks you can sell on eBay.
Why would this be any different than the people who sell unlocked/unopened safes for large amounts of cash based on the fact that no one knows what is inside?
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Bitcoins are only available in the virtual setting and therefore there is no product to ship to the winning bidder
Oh then it is against the rules to sell softwares on ebay?
They are VIRTUAL Oh well, at least they changed the reason for deletion. Before they happily deleted bitcoin listings stating that "blabla games currency blabla COPYRIGHT (wtf?)blabla"
Now they at least recognise that they are Bitcoin and NOT game currency or another copyrighted shit, but still the reason for deletion make no sense at all
damn!
I've sold bitcoins in 5-10 auctions, 5-10 btc each.
Since early June, I make about 30-60% premium on each auction. Plus I think it's a good protection against a price crash (If the price goes up, bids goes up... If price fall... they can't lower their bids! Wahahaha)
I took several measures and never had a buyer cheated on me.
I stopped selling a few weeks ago because the premium starts falling below 30%. Also, I have problem getting the money out of Paypal. ($500 limit/month for me).
What make me thought Ebay would let this goes on for a while is because for each sales of 100-300 usd, I gave them 12%! (9%ebay +3%paypal). I alone gave them many hundreds of dollars in fees. Bitcoin and all virtual stuff is against their policy in the first place, but if they'd turn a blind eye, it's a good cash cow. Well... I guess not anymore.
Since early June, I make about 30-60% premium on each auction. Plus I think it's a good protection against a price crash (If the price goes up, bids goes up... If price fall... they can't lower their bids! Wahahaha)
I took several measures and never had a buyer cheated on me.
I stopped selling a few weeks ago because the premium starts falling below 30%. Also, I have problem getting the money out of Paypal. ($500 limit/month for me).
What make me thought Ebay would let this goes on for a while is because for each sales of 100-300 usd, I gave them 12%! (9%ebay +3%paypal). I alone gave them many hundreds of dollars in fees. Bitcoin and all virtual stuff is against their policy in the first place, but if they'd turn a blind eye, it's a good cash cow. Well... I guess not anymore.
Hello all, I recently tried to include a Bitcoin as a "bonus item" on eBay (attached to the sale of a penny), and they deleted my listing with the following explanation:
Of course, this stated justification for their policy is wrong on two points:
(1) With Bitcoin transfers, you *do* have proof of shipment, namely the transaction record on Block Explorer, and
(2) Bitcoins are not copyrighted and there is no such thing as "the people who originally created the products and own the rights to reproduce and sell them."
Unfortunately, eBay does not provide any easy way to contact them to contest their policies. Anyone know how I can give them a piece of my mind? I suppose I will bitch on Twitter...
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This listing has been removed because you have listed a Bitcoin. We do not allow them to be given as bonus items either. Bitcoins are only available in the virtual setting and therefore there is no product to ship to the winning bidder. We have this policy because as the seller, if a Buyer Protection claim is ever filed against you, you would not have proof of shipment and would not be able to appeal the case. Please do not list any additional items that will be electronically sent to the buyer.
Because there are so many listings on our site, we can't immediately catch all listings that violate our policies. So it's possible that there may be listings similar to yours that are currently on the site. If you come across any other Bitcoins on our site, we encourage you to file a report so we can review it. To report a listing, go to the listing and click the "Report item" link.
We don't let sellers list virtual products such as online game characters, accounts, currency, codes that can be redeemed for in-game items, or related software. This helps protect the people who originally created the products and own the rights to reproduce and sell them.
Because there are so many listings on our site, we can't immediately catch all listings that violate our policies. So it's possible that there may be listings similar to yours that are currently on the site. If you come across any other Bitcoins on our site, we encourage you to file a report so we can review it. To report a listing, go to the listing and click the "Report item" link.
We don't let sellers list virtual products such as online game characters, accounts, currency, codes that can be redeemed for in-game items, or related software. This helps protect the people who originally created the products and own the rights to reproduce and sell them.
Of course, this stated justification for their policy is wrong on two points:
(1) With Bitcoin transfers, you *do* have proof of shipment, namely the transaction record on Block Explorer, and
(2) Bitcoins are not copyrighted and there is no such thing as "the people who originally created the products and own the rights to reproduce and sell them."
Unfortunately, eBay does not provide any easy way to contact them to contest their policies. Anyone know how I can give them a piece of my mind? I suppose I will bitch on Twitter...
Paypal/ebay might see Bitcoin digital goods' liquid, each one unique, securely transferrable, publicly verifiable proof of transfer properties as a competitive threat enabling alternative online commerce maybe?
They could easily say that's not the address the supplied you and chat logs/emails aren't reliable proof, since text is quite easily altered with some programs, Notepad for example.
That is a good point. But I have an answer to it.
Right now, sellers provide their PayPal address for receiving payment through the eBay site, so the seller cannot repudiate what payment address he provided to the buyer, and thereby deny receiving payment.
Similarly, if eBay wanted to facilitate Bitcoin sales (instead of banning them), it would be easy for them to just provide a text box in which the buyer can input their address for receiving the Bitcoin transfer.
That way, the buyer cannot repudiate what address he said he wanted to receive his coins at. The block chain (together with an ID digitally signed by the Bitcoin seller) should do the rest.
That should be entirely as good as the buyer's signature on a FedEx delivery receipt.
Exactly. It's an easy fix. BTC transfer is more confirmable than any physical goods: hey, who knows what, exactly, was in that FedEx box?
They could easily say that's not the address the supplied you and chat logs/emails aren't reliable proof, since text is quite easily altered with some programs, Notepad for example.
That is a good point. But I have an answer to it.
Right now, sellers provide their PayPal address for receiving payment through the eBay site, so the seller cannot repudiate what payment address he provided to the buyer, and thereby deny receiving payment.
Similarly, if eBay wanted to facilitate Bitcoin sales (instead of banning them), it would be easy for them to just provide a text box in which the buyer can input their address for receiving the Bitcoin transfer.
That way, the buyer cannot repudiate what address he said he wanted to receive his coins at. The block chain (together with an ID digitally signed by the Bitcoin seller) should do the rest.
That should be entirely as good as the buyer's signature on a FedEx delivery receipt.
LOL, at least they know what a Bitcoin is. Maybe some of their employees have some!
if you get filed a paypal dispute, you lose every. fucking. time.
if you get filed a paypal dispute, you lose every. fucking. time.
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