Topic: eBay update: prices coming way down (Read 3644 times)

I never contradicted myself.

I was quoting the "300 MH/s" for 5830 because people throw that number around as if it's common and everyone gets that hash rate. I personally don't get that much, because A) I don't want systems giving me problems, B) any systems I have with 2 cards close together get too hot for stable overclocking of that variety -- especially the card in the top slot.

And that last "pompous" post was taken out of context, and completely misunderstood.

Here is what I was responding to:

Guys relax, lets all go to church and cry our eyes out thinking about when Jesus is gonna come back.


I'll tell you what would happen if Jesus came back. We would lock him up in jail and put him in the electric chair, that's what we would do.

Going through the last 2 pages of your posts.


I'm not saying mining is a get rich quick scheme but you can be very negative when it comes to mining hence the sky is falling quote that keeps popping up.

Here you are contradicting your self.

And here you are being a pompous ass:

It only takes a few of you're doom threads to get a general idea of what your mindset is, and really easy to see that you disregard the very things I listed. There's a good reason why I don't try to discuss anything specifically with you, since every single topic started by you is all FUD and doom threads, which General section is full of. I'm sorry if you think that I have to reply to every single topic you create in order to have an opinion on this one, but luckily, for me at least, that's not how discussion forums work. I really don't know why I'm responding now, since all you do is cry when all your doom and gloom threads turn out this way.

It's also funny that you're accusing me of not being able to discuss, but you're counter argument/discussion/reply to my post was more name calling. You didn't even try to defend yourself or any of your claims. Maybe there's a reason why all of your topics result in your elementary school playground...

Here's some advice: Make a new account and stop with this nonsense. You might as well start bring up Y2K doom again at the rate you're going.

And you can try to call me an ex-con every day, but I doubt that'll go far, since you're reputation isn't the greatest around here. I also haven't done anything, maybe something along of lines of make ten threads a day about the same thing, to earn me renown like you have. I guess I'm not trying hard enough.

How about I call you a ex-con every day, and see if it eventually sticks?

Because it's about as true as the BS you're alleging about me.

You just vomit what others have said, never rising above a elementary school playground level of discussion or reasoning (read: name-calling).

Except I haven't ignored anything. I admit to *100% of everything that's true*

Try me.

The fact that you completely ignore all of the evidence I have posted in past threads of yours that mining (and even buying mining equipment) is still very profitable just makes you a troll.

A troll that has to resort to personal insults, evidently.

Yeah, I guess standing on a soapbox and trying to get everyone to think that bitcoin mining is over, disregarding basic math, ignoring simple accounting, and posting ten threads a day is quite complex.... oh wait. It's not.

By the way, you just invalidated yourself because I'm pretty sure I made posts today having nothing to do with Bitcoin mining profitability. When you take the time to emphasize "EVERY SINGLE TIME" (all caps) you make it easy to throw out your whole post. 1 post by me on a different topic totally destroys your credibility.

I can't help that your mind doesn't permit you any complexity in your thinking. If you think that simplistically, I can't discuss with you, sorry. We're on two different levels apparently.

And what's your problem with me telling the truth? Mining IS less profitable than it was 1, 3 or 5 weeks ago. And I never said it was unprofitable (1 BTC for the person who can find a Bitcoin.org post where I said Bitcoin mining was no longer profitable).

Ebay prices HAVE come down. What's the problem here? You don't like the situation and you wish to take out your frustration on the messenger?

I have to start topics because you armchair gestapo types don't have the creativity to come up with new topics yourselves. Yes, some people are better at leading/starting conversations. That's a fact that's observed on all fora. As you get older, you begin to notice this more and more.

I'd be a lot more willing to discuss things with you if you didn't start threads on the exact same topic EVERY SINGLE TIME you post.

I haven't seen a single thread started by you that didn't have to do with the unprofitably of mining.  And guess what?  I bet you're still mining. 

It is an overly doom and gloom thread but ebay prices are coming down.  Not WAY down as he said though. 

the 5870 on the 10th and the 11th sold for between $208 and $232 with most of them being $225

Two weeks ago it was $231 to $339 with most of them being $275. 

By the way, did you come up with this on your own, or are you just vomiting what others have said?

Really, I'm going to have to go ahead and call you out on this one.

What doom and gloom? Can you give quotes?  Can you prove that it was some kind of scaremongering, and not simple reporting of the facts?

I'm all ears...

*crickets chirping*

Or how about we go ahead and (here's a novel idea) DISCUSS matters pertaining to Bitcoin on this Bitcoin discussion board we find ourselves on.
You and I are both free to post whatever interests us, and ignore what we couldn't care less about.

I'm not preaching a religion, I'm discussing 100% on-topic matters relevant to bitcoin mining. Faith is not required here.

If you disagree, by all means, chime in!  Tell me why! Let's get a discussion going. I have no problem with those who disagree with me.

FYI, I was talking to Sgt. Spike, not you.

Maybe "talents" was the wrong word. "Advantages", maybe?

I do understand quite well the concept of "no risk, no reward".  But the risk level has gone up considerably in the past few weeks for those buying new rigs -- that's all I'm saying.

I'm all for people who overcome obstacles. But that doesn't mean the obstacles don't exist, or that the obstacles wouldn't hinder most people.

The human spirit can overcome just about everything. It's beautiful when it does.

As they say, "The exception proves the rule." OgNasty is the exception -- the rule holds.

Honestly, he knows what he is doing and that is trying to get people to "quit" with his faux-doom and gloom.  But you guys play into it by replying and letting his posts get more attention.  Every time we respond, it gets put to the top.  I guess at this moment in time I am guilty of it but just ignore him if you don't believe what he says and move along.

I think I asked a legitimate question, and your response is to grow up?

First off I think you need to drop this weird ego stroking elitist attitude. You may not intend for your posts to sound that way but I think alot of people do

and it just rubs them wrong way, myself included. It's like if I were to make a thread claiming only smart people can read and type, you're preaching to an

audience that's doing just that.

What you listed as 'talents' are nothing more than a list of things anyone interested in investing into bitcoin mining should take into consideration. Nothing

more. I'd say Ognasty has it more right far as talents go. For example, he'd be the early adopter banking on a payout while you'll sit on the sidelines ragging

on him saying he's an idiot for getting into bitcoins. You'd be the one to jump on the bandwagon when it starts looking viable. This kind of stuff happens all

the time in businesses and guess what, Ognasty profits off people who think like you. It doesn't mean you won't come out ahead, but it certainly doesn't mean

that you're somehow on the inside track of things.

To be fair, he isn't making a new thread every five minutes screaming about the end of the world.

I have no PC tech experience.  Can't program.  Work a full time job away from home.  Have no spare time.  Overpay for my electronics. Am not considered to have a good memory.  Have no spare PC parts.  Have 2 separate A/C units for my house (the one in the section that mines bitcoins stays off).  Live in the desert and I don't have low energy costs.

Did I mention I'm an excellent bitcoin miner and trader?  Want to know why?  It's because I'm fearless and have deep pockets. I noticed balls and bills weren't on your list.  Those 2 things are all you'll ever need, for anything.

By "talent" I mean particular suitability.

Not everyone is equally suited to do bitcoin mining.

The more of these traits you have, the better you will do at bitcoin mining:

In no particular order:
PC tech experience (the more the better) -- building, troubleshooting, repairing, configuring, drivers, and software.
Linux/scripting/programming experience (or, Windows experience if you choose to mine with Windows)
Working/being at home 24/7
Spare time
Access to supply of cheap (or at least market-priced) mining cards
Learning things quickly; good memory; above-average IQ
Knowledge of economics, budgeting, spreadsheets, markets
Having spare PCs, fans, cables, tables, network equipment, etc.
Having enough space (an entire room?) for lots of machines
Having an efficient central A/C unit
Living in area w/ little need for A/C
Living in area w/ cheap electricity

This is probably not an exhaustive list, but it gives you some idea of what I mean by "talent" -- more like "good situation for mining" combined with talent(s) useful for running a mining operation.

lolz @ "talent" for bitcoin mining. Because it takes a ton of talent to put together a computer. If you really had "talent" for mining you wouldn't claim to expect a 10% difficulty in 10-12 days, because that makes no sense. 14/10 = 1.4 or 40% increase. 14/12 = 1.17 or 17% increase. Huge difference, neither one being 10%.

I'm glad that 5830s are down from $150 to $140, yay for whoever. Your personal obsession with 5830s is not a hallmark of all bitcoin though. I like to watch 5870s personally, as they are close to or superior to 5830s in MHash/RigCost. And you're right, they look to be dropping in price as well. So we may not see more hash spikes in the near future. Whether that is good or bad... remains to be seen.