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Topic: ECB to start quantitative easing. Bitcoin beyond the moon? (Read 3847 times)

legendary
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!!! RiSe aBovE ThE StoRm !!!
Can you please prove us one thing?

What's the correlation / inter-relation between the event that's going to happen in the US and the price of Bitcoins?

What I think is, it's only gonna affect the actual fiat currency, i.e., $ and not the BTC...
legendary
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★Nitrogensports.eu★
Longterm, QE will drive all prices up, not only Bitcoin's. Inflation is increasing in all developed countries. But inflated prices are not equivalent to more wealth. Increased purchasing power is what we want. That won't come from QE, it will come from bitcoin adoption.

ya.ya.yo!

QE essentially screws retired folks, who have invested their life savings in debt to get a steady return on income.

No. Most retired folks have home which they can still keep refinancing to strip the equity.

And since the refinancing rate is still low, this actually benefit them.

People have an emotional attachment to their homes. Not all of them are ready for a reverse mortgage yet. Smiley
legendary
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It's a SPECIAL AGRO CHEQUE!  Shocked

Do want!
legendary
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legendary
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EUR isn't a dollar. It can't use USD-related bailout scenarios, otherwise EU will turn into Zimbabwe imho.

legendary
Activity: 1067
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Longterm, QE will drive all prices up, not only Bitcoin's. Inflation is increasing in all developed countries. But inflated prices are not equivalent to more wealth. Increased purchasing power is what we want. That won't come from QE, it will come from bitcoin adoption.

ya.ya.yo!

QE essentially screws retired folks, who have invested their life savings in debt to get a steady return on income.

No. Most retired folks have home which they can still keep refinancing to strip the equity.

And since the refinancing rate is still low, this actually benefit them.
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1026
★Nitrogensports.eu★
Longterm, QE will drive all prices up, not only Bitcoin's. Inflation is increasing in all developed countries. But inflated prices are not equivalent to more wealth. Increased purchasing power is what we want. That won't come from QE, it will come from bitcoin adoption.

ya.ya.yo!

QE essentially screws retired folks, who have invested their life savings in debt to get a steady return on income.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1024
Longterm, QE will drive all prices up, not only Bitcoin's. Inflation is increasing in all developed countries. But inflated prices are not equivalent to more wealth. Increased purchasing power is what we want. That won't come from QE, it will come from bitcoin adoption.

ya.ya.yo!
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1026
★Nitrogensports.eu★
If the ECB does QE then EU stocks will go up like US stocks did in their QE phase.
Going leveraged long on EU indices is a much safer bet than gambling on bitcoin price appreciation due to ECB QE.
The ECB has been implementing QE for almost as long as the US FED has been buying up US bonds as part of QE, just as the UK central bank has been doing QE (same with the Japanese central bank).

There cannot be a winner in this "passing the deflationary parcel" game. Smiley
http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood/2011/08/global-economy-and-currencies
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
If the ECB does QE then EU stocks will go up like US stocks did in their QE phase.
Going leveraged long on EU indices is a much safer bet than gambling on bitcoin price appreciation due to ECB QE.
The ECB has been implementing QE for almost as long as the US FED has been buying up US bonds as part of QE, just as the UK central bank has been doing QE (same with the Japanese central bank).
sr. member
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And why would people ditch their fiat, which has a historically low, steady inflation rate for bitcoin, which has dropped in value 50% since the start of the year with no end in site?

See, you guys need to stop and think about this shit for a moment.

What is the difference between a sure loss and a 99.9% chance of winning?
The chances of bitcoin succeeding over the long term are no where near 99%. I would say that it is 50% at best. Also if you are going to be holding fiat for long enough then you might as well invest it in something that likely will have gains that exceed inflation.

What is the long term to you and how did you calculate that its chance is 50%?
By long term, I mean decades, much longer then the current life of bitcoin. I do not have any specific calculations to say bitcoin's success is at best 50%, but I do know that there is a lot that can go wrong and prevent bitcon from succeeding, mainly regulations, but there are also other unknown risks to bitcoin.

Satachi himself even said that the number of TX in 20 years will either be a huge amount or close to none (paraphrasing).

I personally have a lot of money invested in bitcoin, and personally think it will succeed, but it is not something I am relying on to be able to live comfortably.
legendary
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Southern EU countries have imposed capital controls and taxes on bank balances....but not enough yet to push Bitcoin

A little more of this and things might change quickly:

http://cointelegraph.com/news/11760/20_withholding_italy_announces_capital_controls_on_incoming_foreign_transfers

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/04/spain-tax-deposits-idUSL6N0PF2SF20140704

Sleepsheep need harder prodding to wake up, but when they are awake, the stampede will begin.  Cool
legendary
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And why would people ditch their fiat, which has a historically low, steady inflation rate for bitcoin, which has dropped in value 50% since the start of the year with no end in site?

See, you guys need to stop and think about this shit for a moment.

What is the difference between a sure loss and a 99.9% chance of winning?
The chances of bitcoin succeeding over the long term are no where near 99%. I would say that it is 50% at best. Also if you are going to be holding fiat for long enough then you might as well invest it in something that likely will have gains that exceed inflation.

What is the long term to you and how did you calculate that its chance is 50%?

I bet he went like: it will either happen, or it won't  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 854
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And why would people ditch their fiat, which has a historically low, steady inflation rate for bitcoin, which has dropped in value 50% since the start of the year with no end in site?

See, you guys need to stop and think about this shit for a moment.

What is the difference between a sure loss and a 99.9% chance of winning?
The chances of bitcoin succeeding over the long term are no where near 99%. I would say that it is 50% at best. Also if you are going to be holding fiat for long enough then you might as well invest it in something that likely will have gains that exceed inflation.

What is the long term to you and how did you calculate that its chance is 50%?
legendary
Activity: 2324
Merit: 1125
And why would people ditch their fiat, which has a historically low, steady inflation rate for bitcoin, which has dropped in value 50% since the start of the year with no end in site?

See, you guys need to stop and think about this shit for a moment.

What is the difference between a sure loss and a 99.9% chance of winning?
The chances of bitcoin succeeding over the long term are no where near 99%. I would say that it is 50% at best. Also if you are going to be holding fiat for long enough then you might as well invest it in something that likely will have gains that exceed inflation.

50% don't make me laugh. Either you are very wrong or your and my definition of success is very very different.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
And why would people ditch their fiat, which has a historically low, steady inflation rate for bitcoin, which has dropped in value 50% since the start of the year with no end in site?

See, you guys need to stop and think about this shit for a moment.

What is the difference between a sure loss and a 99.9% chance of winning?
The chances of bitcoin succeeding over the long term are no where near 99%. I would say that it is 50% at best. Also if you are going to be holding fiat for long enough then you might as well invest it in something that likely will have gains that exceed inflation.
legendary
Activity: 2324
Merit: 1125
Everyone expects that the ECB will start quantitative easing. Will that push bitcoin up?
I think it will!

What say you?

Need definitive action from ECB before btc and market will react to the artificially sea of liquidity.

But remember one thing, all assets price eventually collapsed when the money stop printing.

In essence, the banks never stop printing money. They need inflation to be there!

There is a limit on how much money central bank can print.

Tree can not grow to the sky before stagnant and then die out.

There's most definitely no limit in sheer amount.
full member
Activity: 141
Merit: 100
Everyone expects that the ECB will start quantitative easing. Will that push bitcoin up?
I think it will!

What say you?

Need definitive action from ECB before btc and market will react to the artificially sea of liquidity.

But remember one thing, all assets price eventually collapsed when the money stop printing.

In essence, the banks never stop printing money. They need inflation to be there!

There is a limit on how much money central bank can print.

Tree can not grow to the sky before stagnant and then die out.
legendary
Activity: 854
Merit: 1000
Everyone expects that the ECB will start quantitative easing. Will that push bitcoin up?
I think it will!

What say you?

Need definitive action from ECB before btc and market will react to the artificially sea of liquidity.

But remember one thing, all assets price eventually collapsed when the money stop printing.

In essence, the banks never stop printing money. They need inflation to be there!
full member
Activity: 141
Merit: 100
Everyone expects that the ECB will start quantitative easing. Will that push bitcoin up?
I think it will!

What say you?

Need definitive action from ECB before btc and market will react to the artificially sea of liquidity.

But remember one thing, all assets price eventually collapsed when the money stop printing.
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