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June 08, 2021, 08:32:09 PM
#74
People who are addicted to gambling always know where to find a gambling site or casino where they will continue to gamble. The threshold is a lot lower at a physical casino. If you have 2 million euros in your bank account, it is more likely to be gambled online than you are using it in a casino. I think that the gambling market has only improved because of corona, seen online. More people at home, and those people think they can earn money by gambling with all the consequences that entails.

I completely agree with this especially those people who know the spot where to go whenever they want to play. It's easy for them since they have lots of contact and other resources to get there. That's right, the number of players has increased since the pandemic has begun where people need to stay at their homes. 

As for the OP, basically, that's the reality when you calculate all of the side effects and I don't think that's all the lists you can provide. I'm sure there are lots more consequences and most of the time the government will take action if the cons will affect them as well. that's the time you will see them raiding illegal casinos and gambling activities. But whenever they will have the upper hand, they won't take action like what you see with the cockfighting, they allowed it because the cons don't affect them anyway.
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June 08, 2021, 06:59:48 PM
#73
Gambling operators would never care for the implications of them just existing and profiting. What's important to them is money, and at the end of the day, they will get it from people that are lowkey having fun and those who are extremely addicted. As long as the industry is thriving, pays their taxes, and does not really do harm that is easily recognizable, the government will allow it—except of course on countries with a firm stance against gambling.
I agree, Actually from many years of my gambling experience, I still don't see any casino tell us to slow down from gambling activities and dictate or guide us that gambling is really addictive that it can harm us. It is a business that you won't get anything if you messed up and casino operators really like that as long as the government is allowing them. Still, they are in the right position on doing things as long as they don't do anything illegal. This is also why Countries which is open for gambling tend to have so many casinos.
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June 08, 2021, 02:41:20 PM
#72
Gambling operators would never care for the implications of them just existing and profiting. What's important to them is money, and at the end of the day, they will get it from people that are lowkey having fun and those who are extremely addicted. As long as the industry is thriving, pays their taxes, and does not really do harm that is easily recognizable, the government will allow it—except of course on countries with a firm stance against gambling.
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June 08, 2021, 01:33:29 PM
#71

1. Gambling in fact has many negative externalities. If someone gets addicted, the likelihood is much higher to be depressed. Depression is factor, which leads to high costs for the society.

2. Gambling addiction leads to economic costs because of crime actions. Other market actors have to increase their security standards, which means higher costs.

3. Many gambling addicts go as a consequence to jail. Jail means EXTREMELY high costs to society.

What are your thoughts on this topic?

Exactly, and this situation is really experienced in my place, the situation got worse when the pandemic hit. Most people stay home and start gambling because of the stress of their job not making any money. in their paradigm gambling can make money instantly. even though without basic knowledge in gambling it is very minimal. unless it has very strong luck.

The psychological level that I often pay attention to is a lot of complaints because they keep losing bets, their wives complain because they don't make money for the risks of daily life, but it's true what you say addiction is a closely related thing in gambling whether it has become an inseparable factor or just a person's emotion that cannot be controlled.
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June 08, 2021, 12:09:14 PM
#70
Casinos are really big taxpayers in my country and I think I am not speaking for myself when I say that Asians love gambling because it is an industry here in my country. Plus, the tourism that it provides is also a big help as it bolster the tourism economy of the country which contributes to overall growth of the economy.
In some countries including mine gambling is prohibited. My country is Muslim majority so the country has clearly prohibited it in government regulations. But some people still do it even in secret. In fact, I think that nowadays the world is progressing, many people are participating in online gambling. So I thought collecting taxes from gambling in my country was impossible. There are even reports that some of the perpetrators have been arrested by the police.

With the online casino, now I think it will make it easier for everyone to participate in gambling. This will be easy and invisible to the police. So now gambling fans don't have to gather with cash.
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June 08, 2021, 11:48:43 AM
#69
But not as the old casinos are becoming successful with the newer casinos that come. Only a few of them survive and strive to enter the competition because it's tough this time as gamblers are staying to specific casinos where they've experienced good and quality service for the games of their choice. There's always been a reminder to gamblers that they should gamble moderately and it's an individual problem if they don't stop when they're losing a lot already.
If the casino can survive and succeed in inviting more gamblers to come to their place, they will have a chance to compete with the others. But yes, it is tough if we see the situation now as many casinos do not want to be late to rise again in this pandemic. A gambler should already see many others losing their money in gambling places. So they must have control and always remember that gambling is not for making money, so they must control their money.
The competition has already started when they've entered in the gambling scene. And that's also the start that they are about to add and contribute to the economy because they're going to make money from their gamblers. But if they've failed to make their business became popular as the other casinos then they have to strategized how they're going to maintain their operations and at the same time get as much as customers as they can for which it will fall for a good marketing team.
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June 08, 2021, 01:38:04 AM
#68
Maybe with the high costs at least the gambler or player will reconsider spending his money in gambling, we know so far the cost to gamble may be relatively cheap so they don't consider it. Yes, if we relate it, it does have a correlation, because with them becoming gambling addicts, of course slowly with the addiction they experience they will have a high cost. Maybe by making high fees many of them will leave gambling, but the consequence is that the gambling industry will probably suffer a decline and therefore, making high fees in gambling seem like something that will not be easy to realize.
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June 08, 2021, 12:14:30 AM
#67
Hi,




1. Gambling in fact has many negative externalities. If someone gets addicted, the likelihood is much higher to be depressed. Depression is factor, which leads to high costs for the society.
Society ? well it is for the family effect only , and eventually for the community .
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2. Gambling addiction leads to economic costs because of crime actions. Other market actors have to increase their security standards, which means higher costs.
Yups , the cost will increase once the addiction comes to the max.

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3. Many gambling addicts go as a consequence to jail. Jail means EXTREMELY high costs to society.

What are your thoughts on this topic?
and others comes to death mate. and that cost smaller than jailing .
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June 07, 2021, 11:04:16 PM
#66
The gambling economy around the world is also very large the number of people rushing to the casino with huge amount of money in their pockets is also much higher although there is no government intervention for online gambling casinos cover a large part of the public gambling industry. Apart from this the industry is growing day by day in lottery and house and sports betting and other segments developing countries in asia improve their economies through casinos.
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June 07, 2021, 09:54:10 PM
#65
It is a profitable business that's why we see casinos keep on establishing themselves and there will always be the new casino that has been made. If it's not profitable then it won't be noticed by other businessmen. There's a strategy that those players who are making their lives through it and have already dedicated themselves to gamble as much as they can. There must be something that we don't know but if they're making their lives better from it, there's no need to question them if they're doing it legally.
You are right. Gambling as a profitable business attracts people who have a lot of money to create their own casino and each of them will have their own strategy to invite a gambler or more to playing gambling at their site. It does not just happen to online gambling, but it also happens in offline casino and will establish their reputations better.

It needs awareness from the gambler not to become addicting to gambling. They can play gambling anytime and in any casino they want, but they must always control themselves and leave the place as soon as possible before something worst happens.
But not as the old casinos are becoming successful with the newer casinos that come. Only a few of them survive and strive to enter the competition because it's tough this time as gamblers are staying to specific casinos where they've experienced good and quality service for the games of their choice. There's always been a reminder to gamblers that they should gamble moderately and it's an individual problem if they don't stop when they're losing a lot already.
If the casino can survive and succeed in inviting more gamblers to come to their place, they will have a chance to compete with the others. But yes, it is tough if we see the situation now as many casinos do not want to be late to rise again in this pandemic. A gambler should already see many others losing their money in gambling places. So they must have control and always remember that gambling is not for making money, so they must control their money.
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June 07, 2021, 08:14:25 PM
#64
I do not have the numbers but I think the revenue that majority of the countries derive from gambling is significantly higher than the cost of the services the state provides to the gambling public.

Gambling businesses pay regular taxes to the government. Aside from that, winning gamblers are also paying taxes to the government. On the other hand, what are the specific programs the government spend on for the gambling public? It is not common that a gambler is addicted and is seeking free public professional help. It is also not common for a gambler to get so addicted to the point of committing a crime and gets imprisoned.
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June 07, 2021, 06:40:15 PM
#63
1. Gambling in fact has many negative externalities. If someone gets addicted, the likelihood is much higher to be depressed. Depression is factor, which leads to high costs for the society.

2. Gambling addiction leads to economic costs because of crime actions. Other market actors have to increase their security standards, which means higher costs.

3. Many gambling addicts go as a consequence to jail. Jail means EXTREMELY high costs to society.

What are your thoughts on this topic?

While I do mostly agree with the points you raised, the claims that you made are all fallacious, being a slippery slope.

Any addiction caused to a person has always its negative externalities, not just gambling. While gambling may be considered one of those addictions that are common, you must also consider those other addictions as they contribute to the costs in society.

In addition, while those negative externalities in gambling are present, you cannot escape the fact that gambling brings revenue to the government. The revenue garnered from these gambling establishments enable to government to construct infrastructures which bring positive externalities as a result.

It is thus, imperative to know where to draw the line on how to balance these negative and positive externalities. While the result of gambling addiction is detrimental to the society, we also cannot disregard the financial aspect on how it brings revenue to the government.

Short answer: OP is right and there is absolutely no way the tax raised from gambling could cover the costs society incurs due to gambling/addicts.
Long answer: it requires extensive and fundamental research to actually come up with concrete numbers.

Especially online gambling socially isolates the players. One could argue that the five friends playing poker in the garden having a barbecue is even a net positive to society because of the recreational effect. How recreational the effect still is to someone sitting alone in front of his screen, I don't know.

Anyway, the topic is certainly interesting and a very good idea to look at it from the angle OP brought up!
Since it takes extensive research to come up concrete numbers I think we can't say gambling taxes collected by the government aren't enough to cover costs with problem gamblers. This industry profits a lot of money. Most people will never see such amounts of money during their life, so it's even harder to have some notion about this huge income application.
It's also hard to have notion regards the number of gamblers who will create such issues for the society. There are many people involved on this market and only a minority of them will present negative behaviors. Moreover, many addicted gamblers are rich people who can't control themselves. I think it's unlikely they will start robbing people or stores around to keep gambling.

I just saw I forgot to add that it does of course depend on the country and the tax laws. In some countries there is no tax whatsoever on gambling while in others there might be a pretty high tax. What is even more important is from what angle are you looking at the problem? Nationally? Globally? Here is why it is important:

First of all I would say that intuitively an activity where your loss is my gain and your gain is my pain doesn't sound like it could ever be a net positive in terms of social cost. But apart from that, if we look at a country with a gambling industry (take Nevada, Vegas), of course the statistics will show that Vegas is in an awesome position in terms of social cost. That is the national perspective. But what about the countries that the players came from and spend their money in Vegas? If they win money in Vegas they bring it home, spend it at home and reduce social cost. But no matter how you look at it, it is obvious that that had to come from somewhere in the first place.
So moneys balance can't be the basic measure for social costs here, I think we agree on that.
One of the questions that remains is does the winner spread so much positive energy that his surrounding society becomes more productive, and does that net out or even exceed the serious cost (maybe he lost it all) incurred by the loser? While the marginal effect of joy is strongly decreasing (that is scientifically proven), the loser could literally lose the ground under his feet, become an alcoholic, lose the job and destroy the family, cause the kids to get off track, maybe is forced to attend psychotherapists and what not.

I don't know, just some thoughts on the issue. I wouldn't look at isolated geographical areas. It is like: hey I got some statistics from Monaco, let's see if gambling their supports or undermines the socioeconomic system...
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June 07, 2021, 05:51:39 PM
#62
For the negative sides, yeah, gambling is really bad for the economic costs and makes the financial system of somebody worse day to day. Moreover, if they cannot manage or control themself in gambling, low self-management, risk, and also fund management. And many people with gambling addictions will experience those three bad sides of gambling for economic costs.
Furthermore, if someone has been addicted to gambling, it is surely difficult to make them go outside to have good social activities with others. They may prefer to play gambling, whatever happens, expecting big bonuses or winning to have every day, but the result is nothing.
Stressful, addiction, criminal are the result of negative gambling sides that always ahppen
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June 07, 2021, 04:08:24 PM
#61
It is a profitable business that's why we see casinos keep on establishing themselves and there will always be the new casino that has been made. If it's not profitable then it won't be noticed by other businessmen. There's a strategy that those players who are making their lives through it and have already dedicated themselves to gamble as much as they can. There must be something that we don't know but if they're making their lives better from it, there's no need to question them if they're doing it legally.
You are right. Gambling as a profitable business attracts people who have a lot of money to create their own casino and each of them will have their own strategy to invite a gambler or more to playing gambling at their site. It does not just happen to online gambling, but it also happens in offline casino and will establish their reputations better.

It needs awareness from the gambler not to become addicting to gambling. They can play gambling anytime and in any casino they want, but they must always control themselves and leave the place as soon as possible before something worst happens.
But not as the old casinos are becoming successful with the newer casinos that come. Only a few of them survive and strive to enter the competition because it's tough this time as gamblers are staying to specific casinos where they've experienced good and quality service for the games of their choice. There's always been a reminder to gamblers that they should gamble moderately and it's an individual problem if they don't stop when they're losing a lot already.
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June 07, 2021, 01:56:56 PM
#60
I found a study on estimating the social costs of problem gambling in Italy. As a reference year, based on available data, 2014 was analyzed. In that calendar year, the collection related to public gaming was 84.5 billion euros, of which 7.9 billion euros went to the Treasury. All this against winnings of 67.6 billion and a total expenditure of players of 16.9 billion(Agency of Customs and Monopolies, 2015).
The estimate of social costs obtained in the study amounts to 2.7 billion euros. (Estimated cost per player was €2,211).
Now, imagine what could be done what all that money.


Very interesting! Could you please share the link to the paper? I am very curious how the study design was in this case. It is nearly impossible ti measure all negative externalities 100%, we are dependend on studies like this.

It really gets interesting if we also consider secondary effects, e.g. if a family member gets addicted to gambling and as a consequence you get a depression and so on. So assuming the 2,7 million don't count this into their estimations, we can multiply it with a factor X.
https://www.federserd.it/index.cfm/I-costi-sociali-del-Gioco-d'Azzardo-problematico-in-Italia/?fuseaction=skdnovita&id=192
There you go!
You can easily have that translated into English or any language via Google Translator. The complete PDF is a the bottom of the page. I do not know what you are looking for but that is what I based my previous comment on. Would be interested in knowing if you find something more around it while playing with data.
Drop me a DM in case
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June 07, 2021, 01:20:45 PM
#59
1. Gambling in fact has many negative externalities. If someone gets addicted, the likelihood is much higher to be depressed. Depression is factor, which leads to high costs for the society.

2. Gambling addiction leads to economic costs because of crime actions. Other market actors have to increase their security standards, which means higher costs.

3. Many gambling addicts go as a consequence to jail. Jail means EXTREMELY high costs to society.

What are your thoughts on this topic?

It seems that in countries with effective laws, regulations and enforcement that it is possible for venues that allow gambling to operate without too much harm to the vast majority of society. There will always be people who push the limits and spiral out of control, but they will find ways to do that if gambling exists or not. As long as it is seen as fun and people are educated enough to understand that mathematically they will never beat the house in the long term, then it should be allowed. However, the authorities will always need to stay vigilant because it can attract criminals in various forms - from conmen to organized mafias. In countries that have poor legal frameworks and weak institutions it is probably advisable to avoid allowing gambling, because the vast flows of money are easy to abuse and can seed corruption in all sorts of places.
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June 07, 2021, 12:18:02 PM
#58
1. Gambling in fact has many negative externalities. If someone gets addicted, the likelihood is much higher to be depressed. Depression is factor, which leads to high costs for the society.

One of people's problems is that they always create high expectations when it comes to something that involves making money quickly, even though they know there is risk and losing everything, they create high expectations. Just look at the lottery, hundreds of people buy tickets with the hope of one day winning and why don't they give up every time they lose? because they created high expectations and is hopeful that one day they will win. I agree with you

2. Gambling addiction leads to economic costs because of crime actions. Other market actors have to increase their security standards, which means higher costs.

I don't know what the number of gambling addicts is, but I think it shouldn't be a very large number, the biggest problem is not the addicts (I know that addiction is not a good thing, but I don't believe the number of addicts is too high ), the biggest problem is the number of people who lose money and still usually take money that was supposed to buy things in the real world and go to gambling and lose everything

3. Many gambling addicts go as a consequence to jail. Jail means EXTREMELY high costs to society.

I honestly never saw anyone get arrested because they were addicted to gambling
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June 07, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
#57
OP shared only negative aspects of gambling, not so much about gambling itself as it's about people who lose control and start losing big money, and money they don't have... of course, that will create some problems!!!

Economic cost mainly depends on the country where you live! It's not the same to open a casino in Las Vegas or Nigeria... except for different laws and taxes, it's definitely not the same to rent a building in the center of London and some god-forsaken place! Don't forget the paychecks, while here in my place people will work for $400 a month, you can't find that cheap labor in Berlin! I hope you get my point!

In the end, people who like to gamble will do it, as I do it... why shouldn't we have a place to do it?! Some negative shit happened and let's ban everything and anything!?!? Haters and hypocrites everywhere around... why don't you start looking at your own business and let us be?!
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June 07, 2021, 11:44:00 AM
#56
Gambling addiction leads to economic costs because of crime actions. Other market actors have to increase their security standards, which means higher costs.
How does gambling gives rise to crime? That might be when one is addicted and again the same point applies, any addiction will bring more crime. The problem isn't gambling, it's the addiction be it of anything gambling, drugs, etc.

The negative impacts are surely higher than the positives that are associated with gambling but the truth is we do need some forms of entertainment and gambling is one of them, we cannot just emphasize on the negatives.

I believe you also know it since you too promote a gambling site Smiley.
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June 07, 2021, 11:23:10 AM
#55
I can think of only 1 thing how gambling would benefit the economic circumstances and I think the bad influence of gambling does more harm to the economy. For the time being the positive effects of gambling on the economy is below

The gambling casinos/websites earn a good amount of profits and hence have to pay more tax
The money received from tax is then again used for the welfare of the country.
But yeah, we can still debate with the fact that many casinos dont pay their taxes and many countries don't use the tax properly for the welfare of the country
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