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Topic: Economics 101. Stagflation. - page 2. (Read 313 times)

legendary
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September 12, 2023, 10:37:27 AM
#23
Okay, I have a question here.
In the past, let's say even a couple of centuries ago, humanity was still battling natural forces, unable to produce enough for everyone. If there was a drought, a flood, or something else, it was a catastrophe because the already limited resources got even more scarce, resulting in even more people dying. But starting from the industrial revolution, we did a major breakthrough which allowed to finally overcome the issue of not producing enough. Growth was very important to finally reach a point of abundance.
Now, the thing is, we've reached that point. Globally, we produce enough food to feed everyone, enough clothes, enough medicine. Perhaps not enough housing, but also a lot of vacant housing and all the resources needed to build more. But we're still stuck in thinking that slower growth is a bad thing, and no growth is terrible.
Isn't the issue no longer about how much we produce, but how we use and distribute what we produce? So doesn't it mean that we could, hypothetically, significantly improve the lives of people without any economic growth necessary? So couldn't at least some issues be resolved by focusing on redistribution and rethinking priorities?
hero member
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September 12, 2023, 10:11:45 AM
#22
In the majority of countries with stagflation, the justice mechanism is in the hands of a certain group of people. There is no confidence in the economy with stagflation and since there is no confidence in the judiciary and justice, there is no investment from different countries. Those who become rich in the country flee abroad. There is a shortage of euros and dollars. High interest rates are given to attract investment and to make banking work and the economy grinds to a halt.

Since the autocracy does not change, investment does not come again. In such an economy, nobody opens businesses and unemployment peaks along with inflation. I think there is only one way to end stagflation and that is the independence of the judiciary and the equal distribution of justice. Because contrary to popular belief, the economy is not an area that grows or shrinks in line with monetary policies. The economy is all about trust in the law on the contrary.
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September 12, 2023, 09:30:51 AM
#21
What may cause stagflation:
here one example of what may cause stagflation: central banks typically use tools like changing interest rates to help the economy. they lower rates to boost the economy and raise rates to control inflation. But in stagflation... this strategy do not work well because when both high inflation and high unemployment happening together. it is like trying to fix two problems at once, which is really hard for central banks to balance.
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September 12, 2023, 08:31:57 AM
#20
Stagflation will probably be an economic term that many of us plebs will start hearing more and more of from the news as the economic situation in many regions around the world continue to worsen. Stagflation is an economic cycle, or condition, when there's slow growth, low demand, low employment, BUT high "sticky" inflation. That's where many countries are probably going.

I believe we are already into it partly, if we are to consider the way the governments are handling the economy situations in each of their countries, almost everyone is being affected by inflation allover the world, will this be a continuous influence or just a present challenge we will soon get away with, it's not about being affected by inflation but the role of governments towards the people who should find live affordable at all cost, we are in a situation now whereby the government is not focusing on their own people by after their usual global recognition being a figure head, while the people were left unattended to, inflation is affecting the masses daily economy and earning a living is becoming more tougher.
legendary
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September 12, 2023, 08:05:40 AM
#19
Don't teach stagflation, recession and inflation to people who work to get a bite of rice because they don't need that explanation but what you can give them. I remember these words coming out of the mouth of a political figure and he was one of the people who always spoke out for justice for small communities. Economic conditions greatly influence healthy thinking and when someone can take a small role individually that is where they will learn to get out of the current bad economic problems. The government's job is to provide solutions because they are ordered by law to concern the survival of its people and a corrupt government will also create misery for its people.

Theories only explain some events and there is no consensus that can be applied in a plurality to all countries because conditions may vary, culture and the area where people work can determine which theory can be applied because it needs appropriate adjustments. A country looks strong if its people do not live in poverty in large percentages and a country can also be said to be strong if they are able to dominate the world economy.

No offense - but the global economy doesn't care about people who work for a "bowl of rice". It's rude and unpleasant, but it's a fact. You just have to realize that these are different levels of the economy.  This layer of the earth's population does not affect the "wallets" of the big economy....
And in some sense, the presence of poor regions, countries and people is even "good" for the global economy, these people do not create problems like the middle class, for example, who have more rights, money, and the ability to express their opinions and demand something. Unfortunately, this is the way the world works.
hero member
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September 12, 2023, 06:55:25 AM
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Well, now I wonder why we used to say BTC is a hedge against inflation and not a hedge against Stagflation! Or is it? I am a bit confused now too hehe.

The financial assets, which serve as a hedge against inflation could theoretically serve as a hedge against stagflation as well.
The problem is that stagflation could lead to economic stagnation, which pulls the prices of various assets down.
We can't have booming gold and real estate prices in times of stagflation, because there's not enough money in circulation to help in boosting the prices.
There's no hedge against unemployment. You will have to find a job.
The good thing is that stagflation is impossible in reality, because we life in the world of the "money printing machines". Grin
When there is a small sign of recession and stagnation, the central banks simply respond by throwing more money at the economy.
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September 12, 2023, 03:06:31 AM
#17
Maybe if the policy makers get off their high horse and start doing things that's beneficial to the people and not the private business sectors, probably we will see that stagflation thing go away, hell even just focusing on education and worker's rights will probably make a big difference already. I don't have the data or articles read to back this yet but in my opinion, protecting the labor of a country and making sure that they're at the happiest level makes the labor less unbearable thus creating efficiency.
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September 12, 2023, 02:50:46 AM
#16
The economy is getting worse with all its problems where almost all costs in every country have risen to higher levels than in the last few years. And this condition may have reached its peak when the pandemic hit almost all countries yesterday. Many businesses cannot survive and even reduce their employees by stopping them from working to reduce costs.

And the affected countries are starting to wake up slowly by moving everything so they can overcome all the problems that have occurred. Maybe it will still take a few more years until we see the condition of each country recovering and developing, but until that time comes, we can only keep trying and do what we can as citizens.

Economists will probably discuss this more often because they are used to discussing the state of the economy in their country. And hopefully, economists can find the right solution to quickly get out of a situation that is not yet profitable for every country.
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September 12, 2023, 02:34:29 AM
#15
This is exactly what we are currently experiencing in our country. Almost all of the basic necessities are becoming more expensive, and while there may be other reasons not mentioned here, I believe these are also the factors contributing to the challenges we are facing today. Sometimes, corrupt leaders are also to blame. There doesn't seem to be a concrete plan to improve things; it feels like they are only thinking about their own interests. They are even borrowing heavily from other countries, but where is the money really going? We can't feel the benefits. They even use traffic as a sign of economic progress in the country, my god, it's more like gaslighting.
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September 12, 2023, 02:07:03 AM
#14
It's been happening in my country for years now, albeit not as severe or felt as it now after many events that occurred (example: the COVID-19 lockdown) but it always has been present. Low employment has always been a problem in my country despite a big percentage of the population seeking a job, in connection with that food prices and other necessities like utility rates continue to rise. When COVID-19 hit these problems' impact became double and you can actually feel just how much it has affected the country, heck even people who seldomly talks about economy in my area had started having discussion about it due to worry and well mostly complains. Stagflation will probably be a term more talked about in universities in my country soon.
hero member
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September 11, 2023, 10:36:49 PM
#13
Stagflation will probably be an economic term that many of us plebs will start hearing more and more of from the news as the economic situation in many regions around the world continue to worsen. Stagflation is an economic cycle, or condition, when there's slow growth, low demand, low employment, BUT high "sticky" inflation. That's where many countries are probably going.

Plus if you didn't pay attention in your Economics class in school, it's currently the best time to learn about it because it's probably going to come sooner than expected. So let's discuss.
Don't teach stagflation, recession and inflation to people who work to get a bite of rice because they don't need that explanation but what you can give them. I remember these words coming out of the mouth of a political figure and he was one of the people who always spoke out for justice for small communities. Economic conditions greatly influence healthy thinking and when someone can take a small role individually that is where they will learn to get out of the current bad economic problems. The government's job is to provide solutions because they are ordered by law to concern the survival of its people and a corrupt government will also create misery for its people.

Theories only explain some events and there is no consensus that can be applied in a plurality to all countries because conditions may vary, culture and the area where people work can determine which theory can be applied because it needs appropriate adjustments. A country looks strong if its people do not live in poverty in large percentages and a country can also be said to be strong if they are able to dominate the world economy.
sr. member
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September 11, 2023, 08:48:25 PM
#12
They are creative with terminologies, inflation and stagflation. I remember how politicians try to mislead citizens with recession and technical recession which is reflected recession but they want to avoid it and reduce its severity by using a creative term, technical recession.

Why they don't use a term hyper inflation but use stagflation? Because hyper inflation sounds very bad while stagflation is not and looks to be a new term, need time for citizens to discover and accept it.

Bad economic policies, gold standard removal and other reasons like oil price increases are some factors that come together with governments to print more money into their economies then cause inflation in some countries or hyper inflation in some special nations.
legendary
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September 11, 2023, 03:07:15 PM
#11
Stagflation is an economic cycle, or condition, when there's slow growth, low demand, low employment, BUT high "sticky" inflation. That's where many countries are probably going.

Which ones?
Inflation is going down so you can't talk about high and ticky inflation unless it's Argentina or Turkey or Iran!
Employment is going up in most countries again, some even hit record employment levels this year!
So, in order to qualify for stagflation, is there any country (that matters globally) that meets those criteria?

Right now it's far more possible we're going to get hit with a recession and deflation rather than stagflation!
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September 11, 2023, 02:59:58 PM
#10

In fact, the average person does not care much about all these academic terms. All he cares about is searching for practical solutions to get out of this misery, because there is no hope for him that the government will solve any problem from the list of accumulated problems.

The government has jettison both the school economic theories and even the off book economy teaches and they seem like no direction any more. Perhaps one is tempted to think that the past leadership were more knowledgeable in economics and how to move their country forward. The current leaders are so engrossed in power tussle but they forget that when you go to war, instigate it or try to push others into it then you have changes and challenges in your budgets and financial policies which of course also leads to negative changes in your capital projects and amenities to improve the lives and standard of living of the people.
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September 11, 2023, 01:36:43 PM
#9
In fact, all of our economies live in these cases regardless of the names. We may not realize the subtle differences between the different names in the economy, but in fact we live and suffer from them without knowing what the name is called.

In my country, we have been suffering for years from the deterioration of the economy, slow growth, low demand, low employment, high prices, low domestic product, the collapse of the value of the national currency and hundreds of other economic problems. I do not know how any government can solve all these problems?

In fact, the average person does not care much about all these academic terms. All he cares about is searching for practical solutions to get out of this misery, because there is no hope for him that the government will solve any problem from the list of accumulated problems.
legendary
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September 11, 2023, 01:12:44 PM
#8
Interesting topic.
A bit of history about the term itself:
Stagflation - a situation in which economic recession and depressed state of the economy are combined with rising prices - inflation. The invention of the term is attributed to Ian MacLeod, a British politician and finance minister of the early 1970s. The expression was first used by Macleod in a parliamentary speech in 1965

But today the description is more commonly used: A dangerous combination of low GDP growth, high inflation and unemployment.

Sorry for the example, but a synonym for a long description, is one word from the Russian language, in folk folklore, and this state is described by one word "ZHOPA". Smiley

However, judging by analytics, this very stagflation is receding in the US and EU, at least by the indicator of declining unemployment and slowing inflation.
China is even experiencing deflation, but it is "interesting" - prices are falling not because of the strengthening of the yuan, but due to a decrease in purchasing power and demand of domestic consumers.

It is interesting to know what is the situation in other countries/regions ?

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September 11, 2023, 12:53:54 PM
#7
Pretty counterintuitive if you ask me but it definitely happens.

In commerce I think this happens the most when a newly-introduced product in the market was so groundbreaking it's making other older variants of the same product useless. Since nobody's using these products anymore let alone buying them, the supply is flooded with newly-produced products that are not accounted for especially when the market change was so sudden everyone was blindsided. This increase in price along with the lessening interest of the people for this particular product, contribute to a stagnating/deflating value of the product in question.

It would've been really nice if everything's just deflationary in value and in nature yeah? But that wouldn't really sit well with the laws of physics as well as the law of supply and demand, so we're stuck here creating mental gymnastics over concepts that don't make sense at first glance but are a great factor for why our whole economy's collapsing lol.
hero member
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September 11, 2023, 12:47:24 PM
#6
I can relate with the theory that the STAGFLATION has a link with oil price, I am from a country that is already experiencing economy down turn due to the increase in fuel the product of refining oil, this situation has really affected the country's economy and citizens.

And due to this crises it has cost increase in standard of living, with transportation, food and other commodities going up .
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September 11, 2023, 12:43:34 PM
#5
I think most economy are already in this situation because of the high inflation that causes price of goes to rise and bringing purchasing value down as the currency is devalued. Production in turn is also affected because when goods don't leave there manufacturing area to the customer where utility is delivered then no need for continuing production and that means the economy because stagnated.

Bitcoin is not the solution for economies that are struggling with inflation IMO at least not when it is not legalized.
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September 11, 2023, 12:36:43 PM
#4
In reality about half of the countries in the world are experiencing some form of stagflation already and have been for several years now. This was only worsened by the recent economic events like the lockdown caused by covid-19 and crisis in different countries in the world but the issue has always existed for different countries and some of this countries supply wealth to their neocolonialists boosting their economy.

The next decades will be full of uncertainties but there will be good economies borne out of it while some others will slip further into inflation.
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