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Quote from: Raflesia on August 31, 2022, 03:30:39 PM

I don't think so. Many educated people are successful but indeed they are not as famous as people who are successful without going through a period of education.
The reason is quite simple, because indeed when people do not take education or come from ordinary families, sometimes they are exposed to more because it is considered that their success is extraordinary compared to people who take education because they think it is a very natural thing because indeed they have an education that is very important. conditions in this stigma to be successful.

I only emphasized that having armed with proper or let us say formal education is always an advantage over people that didn't even managed to finish high school.

People with less or very little education became famous when they became successful because it is rare and not common. And if we really start talking about the most famous successful people then we will be talking about the richest people and top companies of today. And it is not hard for us to know that they are educated. Drop outs like Bill Gates, Facebook's Zuckerberg among others are also considered educated. Very educated upon knowing how high the standards of their universities.

For a few years ago this might still be possible but for now with people who have very many degrees, it is clear that this cannot be a benchmark anymore because it is getting more and more educated now, which in the end is all the same as having difficulty finding work because There are too many graduates and there are fewer job opportunities.
Even though in this case there are positive things from education, when talking about opportunities now I think it depends on the wishes of everyone, regardless of education graduates or not.

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What a tricky topic. Education does not guarantee anything. To be successful, you need to be at right place and on right time. Education will only aim you to where look for such opportunity. School education is also a very tricky thing. On one hand it is necessary, on the other hand part of it can be skipped. The goal of school education is to prepare an average citizen with basic knowledge and skill to an adult life. A lot of attention should be stressed on the word average, as school programs are developed in such a way, that every one would understand it. Higher education is also not a magic wand that will change one persons life. Major part of student just visit it to get a diploma, but not knowledge.

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Quote from: Raflesia on August 31, 2022, 03:30:39 PM

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But how often do we see people with limited education became successful? Majority of these people that never finished high school will have difficulty finding a job. And if someone cannot find a job, it is also difficult to have savings. No savings will also result to zero capital in starting a business. Life is never fair and we will be needing every possible skills, knowledge and luck in order to become successful in life. And someone armed with proper education is an advantage over someone with that haven't finished high school.

I don't think so. Many educated people are successful but indeed they are not as famous as people who are successful without going through a period of education.
The reason is quite simple, because indeed when people do not take education or come from ordinary families, sometimes they are exposed to more because it is considered that their success is extraordinary compared to people who take education because they think it is a very natural thing because indeed they have an education that is very important. conditions in this stigma to be successful.

I only emphasized that having armed with proper or let us say formal education is always an advantage over people that didn't even managed to finish high school.

People with less or very little education became famous when they became successful because it is rare and not common. And if we really start talking about the most famous successful people then we will be talking about the richest people and top companies of today. And it is not hard for us to know that they are educated. Drop outs like Bill Gates, Facebook's Zuckerberg among others are also considered educated. Very educated upon knowing how high the standards of their universities.

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Both formal and informal education are important. The argument whether it is a marker for success in my opinion is subjective. Here are my two reasons. In my culture(many many years ago. It still happens today though not as frequent), there is a system of informal education where a young man from the age of 10 and above is required to go learn a trade. He will understudy/ be an apprentice in a successful person's business for 10 - 15years. He will learn everything there is to know about the business from his mentor. At the end of this time, his mentor will "release" him. He will be given a new shop, goods and lots of money to start his own business. These people usually go on to become really successful and stinkingly rich business men.

In the formal education, the individual goes through primary, secondary and university system of education. And at the end of the same 10 -15 years he or she will graduate with a degree. Some will choose to use their knowledge in setting up industries or businesses and still go on to become successful. Success here is highly subjective. I am for both as long as you achieve your life's goals and you end up happy. I have seen both sets of people.

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Quote from: Invester on August 31, 2022, 09:28:15 AM

But how often do we see people with limited education became successful? Majority of these people that never finished high school will have difficulty finding a job. And if someone cannot find a job, it is also difficult to have savings. No savings will also result to zero capital in starting a business. Life is never fair and we will be needing every possible skills, knowledge and luck in order to become successful in life. And someone armed with proper education is an advantage over someone with that haven't finished high school.

I don't think so. Many educated people are successful but indeed they are not as famous as people who are successful without going through a period of education.
The reason is quite simple, because indeed when people do not take education or come from ordinary families, sometimes they are exposed to more because it is considered that their success is extraordinary compared to people who take education because they think it is a very natural thing because indeed they have an education that is very important. conditions in this stigma to be successful.

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Quote from: Ngemmeng on August 30, 2022, 06:18:54 PM

True. a few days ago I read an article that many of the world's big companies such as Google do not make education the main requirement for hiring employees, but they prioritize experience and skills. Unfortunately this does not apply to all companies because most companies in my country still make education the main requirement for hiring employees.

I don't think so. Maybe you only misread it and it wasn't really google because man, that was a big company so they probably set their standards high when it comes to choosing an employee. And if let say they allow it then the competition is going to be tougher because the ratio of uneducated people are much higher than those who are educated.

It can also cause a bad thing if companies work like that because people won't be motivated anymore to go to school or finish their studies because in their heads, they can still be able to work on a big company so why will they waste time going to school every day for the next 4 or more years?

As for Google which is a very big company then i dont really believe that they are really hiring up people even though they dont have any degree? Sounds impossible because education is your main foundation and thinking on hiring up someone who do lack off with these things will really be having a hard time on proceeding into other things because having educational background is really necessary.
I cant really deny that skills should be there but speaking about foundation or something in related to this will really be that much needed too.You cant really be just having the mindset
that you should stop on schooling or getting a degree just because you do know that there's someone who could hire people without having educational attainment.

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Quote from: Ngemmeng on August 30, 2022, 06:18:54 PM

True. a few days ago I read an article that many of the world's big companies such as Google do not make education the main requirement for hiring employees, but they prioritize experience and skills. Unfortunately this does not apply to all companies because most companies in my country still make education the main requirement for hiring employees.

I don't think so. Maybe you only misread it and it wasn't really google because man, that was a big company so they probably set their standards high when it comes to choosing an employee. And if let say they allow it then the competition is going to be tougher because the ratio of uneducated people are much higher than those who are educated.

It can also cause a bad thing if companies work like that because people won't be motivated anymore to go to school or finish their studies because in their heads, they can still be able to work on a big company so why will they waste time going to school every day for the next 4 or more years?

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Quote from: BRINIRHA on August 31, 2022, 12:40:15 AM

Knowledge is very important for success. but knowledge does not have to be obtained from formal education such as in school. indeed there are many cases such as a graduate who is unemployed or becomes an ordinary employee. and conversely there are people who are successful as bosses even though they don't go to school. actually these two people from different backgrounds are all educated. but the way they get their education is different. one in a formal way. and one in an informal way.

why is the informal one sometimes superior? That's because people who get non-formal education are those who get knowledge from the life experiences they live. they practice science directly in life. they are not good at theory. but they are good at action or practice in the field. that is the reason sometimes people with non-formal education are superior.

people who are formally educated but can not achieve success is because they are too focused on theory and they do not know about the reality on the ground. sometimes the realities of life are more difficult than the theory in books.

In order to achieve success, formal education as well as family education is necessary. Along with that, the situation of the society has to be considered. General knowledge is sometimes more useful than formal education. To achieve success, one must be focused. Keeping these things in mind is what I consider to be successful.Sometimes you have to deal with reality to be successful. But it will take a lot of practice.

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Quote from: Davian144 on August 31, 2022, 02:13:47 AM

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True, a high education and academy does not guarantee success, I am currently around 30 years old, and I have 2 very different school friends, the first friend did not graduate from high school, the second friend graduated from college abroad, the friend who did not graduate currently has business with about 40 employees, while overseas graduates work in offices earning about $500 per month.

It means that your two friends are actually both successful in their respective fields even though the categories are different, but both of them should be grateful because they still have the opportunity to work and make money according to the struggles they have gone through. The point is that everyone needs better and more mature education so that they can do business and can also work where they want because there is no way to develop themselves without going through the necessary education.

But how often do we see people with limited education became successful? Majority of these people that never finished high school will have difficulty finding a job. And if someone cannot find a job, it is also difficult to have savings. No savings will also result to zero capital in starting a business. Life is never fair and we will be needing every possible skills, knowledge and luck in order to become successful in life. And someone armed with proper education is an advantage over someone with that haven't finished high school.

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Quote from: Semar Mesem on August 31, 2022, 01:44:00 AM

True, a high education and academy does not guarantee success, I am currently around 30 years old, and I have 2 very different school friends, the first friend did not graduate from high school, the second friend graduated from college abroad, the friend who did not graduate currently has business with about 40 employees, while overseas graduates work in offices earning about $500 per month.

It means that your two friends are actually both successful in their respective fields even though the categories are different, but both of them should be grateful because they still have the opportunity to work and make money according to the struggles they have gone through. The point is that everyone needs better and more mature education so that they can do business and can also work where they want because there is no way to develop themselves without going through the necessary education.

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Quote from: Okeowo on August 24, 2022, 04:17:14 AM

Education is not the only key to success anymore, then we all be believe that, if we don't go to school, we can't make it, the country is something else, we should find all means to be a successful person in life, education is good, but we have to find all means to make it, country which a graduate is riding bike, someone that spend thousands of naira to go to the school, is now riding bike, imagine,

So is always good to invest in once self, than working under someone, which you won't have time for yourself,

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True, a high education and academy does not guarantee success, I am currently around 30 years old, and I have 2 very different school friends, the first friend did not graduate from high school, the second friend graduated from college abroad, the friend who did not graduate currently has business with about 40 employees, while overseas graduates work in offices earning about $500 per month.

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Knowledge is very important for success. but knowledge does not have to be obtained from formal education such as in school. indeed there are many cases such as a graduate who is unemployed or becomes an ordinary employee. and conversely there are people who are successful as bosses even though they don't go to school. actually these two people from different backgrounds are all educated. but the way they get their education is different. one in a formal way. and one in an informal way.

why is the informal one sometimes superior? That's because people who get non-formal education are those who get knowledge from the life experiences they live. they practice science directly in life. they are not good at theory. but they are good at action or practice in the field. that is the reason sometimes people with non-formal education are superior.

people who are formally educated but can not achieve success is because they are too focused on theory and they do not know about the reality on the ground. sometimes the realities of life are more difficult than the theory in books.

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Quote from: Okeowo on August 24, 2022, 04:17:14 AM

Education is not the only key to success anymore, then we all be believe that, if we don't go to school, we can't make it, the country is something else, we should find all means to be a successful person in life, education is good, but we have to find all means to make it, country which a graduate is riding bike, someone that spend thousands of naira to go to the school, is now riding bike, imagine,

So is always good to invest in once self, than working under someone, which you won't have time for yourself,

Just an advise

Collaboration can take the two opportunities you mentioned, education will inherit knowledge not only thinking about work, here many people have a misunderstanding about education.
Investments do not always provide an overall return. Without education, you, me and they also will not know what investment is?
technology is learned based on knowledge, very rarely people master technology only self-taught, therefore education is important in human life.
While opportunities through investment and business, depending on how you prepare, regardless of the opportunities and capital available

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But indeed from the beginning, especially when we were young, it was clear that education was the main focus but the problem is that when we grow up we can't think about other things such as entrepreneurship or other fields because we always think about when we are educated we will get a decent job, but the fact is it's not that simple. and we are still naive to continue to say education is the thing that makes it possible to get a job when the main focus of education is not for a job.

Education is necessary in order to thrive in a world in which you need to compete with others workers from all around the world, however I understand students when they complain about the education they are receiving since a great deal of the subjects they are being taught are useless or have very little to do with what they want to do, while important topics like managing our finances or how to create a business are left untouched when they are incredibly important.

This is a fact that cannot be hidden because it is indeed what is happening nowadays when many students complain about what they did during their education. I don't know about education in other countries, but for my country, the system is still very monotonous and more focused on theory so that the mindset of the students is still the same which always prioritizes theory instead of practice.
Even though when we grow up sometimes theory alone will not be enough because basically practice and experience can make them better than just relying on theory.

I think we can assume that things are pretty much the same almost everywhere around the world, with the only exceptions being the best schools which are also the most expensive ones, so like always there is a very huge difference between the education that those that are rich receive and those that are middle-class or poor receive instead, it is because of this that people need to take things into their hands and never assume that whatever they want to learn is going to be taught to them at school and instead they should look for that information by themselves

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Quote from: Ngemmeng on August 30, 2022, 06:18:54 PM

True. a few days ago I read an article that many of the world's big companies such as Google do not make education the main requirement for hiring employees, but they prioritize experience and skills. Unfortunately this does not apply to all companies because most companies in my country still make education the main requirement for hiring employees.

So Google did really have some opposite way of hiring people which i would say to be that relevant considering that skills do really matters even if you dont have a degree but in todays reality or casual things
then we can really say that educational attainment is already that standard and if you dont have these qualifications then you would really be having a hard time on finding a job.
Also competition is really that high and this is the reason why i do see even degree holders or whom do finish their studies do end up on having no job.
It doesnt really assure on getting a job even if you do hit up this state and it is indeed the truth.

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Quote from: Ngemmeng on August 30, 2022, 06:18:54 PM

True. a few days ago I read an article that many of the world's big companies such as Google do not make education the main requirement for hiring employees, but they prioritize experience and skills. Unfortunately this does not apply to all companies because most companies in my country still make education the main requirement for hiring employees.

Experience is the most sought after thing but the problem is that when the criteria are used as a benchmark, it will be difficult for job seekers, especially fresh graduates there.
But indeed, even though the important experience of education is also one of the things that is indeed a factor for people to be able to achieve good things because at least with education they have been filled with some knowledge that is good enough to support their lives even though it is only basic.

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True. a few days ago I read an article that many of the world's big companies such as Google do not make education the main requirement for hiring employees, but they prioritize experience and skills. Unfortunately this does not apply to all companies because most companies in my country still make education the main requirement for hiring employees.

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Actually, education can be done anywhere without having to be fixated on the school in my opinion.
The problem at that time was quite natural because we needed a learning process there.
Entrepreneurship and being your own boss also have knowledge and we can't get it instantly because we need learning which means we have to be educated first even though it's not from school.

One thing that is certain if you get good education either from a good school or even through self-education, you will always create more opportunities and higher chances to succeed. Even in entrepreneurship, that requires education on how to sustain the sales target and continue to see the growth of the business. If you are determined all the time and would always do things at its best, then it’s another bonus that will make you more successful in life.

I won't deny it because this is indeed the right thing but on the other hand things like that seem like now it will still be difficult even though the opportunity is still there.
The reason is simple, we live in a harsh world with competition so that educational capital alone will not be enough. How many people now with higher education degrees are unemployed and how many people really regret what they are doing in education.

Education is indeed very important and very good to do but on the other hand we also cannot be naive that education is not a guarantee for us to be successful because obviously there are many other factors in this.

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Op, when you say about education you have to be specific, that is because no one will likely be successful without education. Let me assume you meant formal education. Well it is not everyone that requires formal education. You can get educated informally by learning skills. You can do that by not even attending any institution . What you need is to be smart and to be adaptive to the environment, focused on evolving technology like bitcoin, AI and you will be successful. Go get degree if you want to be a medical doctor, lawyer, engineer or other professions that requires degree

Formal education is a must according to me, if not you need to have focus on something from the very young age. With that it is possible to learn out of the market as well as the experience we gain through different failures. When a person have got formal education he can start with some sort of expertise knowledge with which he can lower the chances of failure (End of the day it is all about the hard work and smart work). A person who doesn't have have formal education can master marketing, but he can't be good with development.

It all boils down to what we mean by formal education. If we really have a good definition of it, we could say that it's a must or not. If formal education is learning another man's language and culture, then it is not a must. I have been in a country where part of the people in that country studies trading of goods and they groom their children through the process called apprenticeship, and they are the richest part of the country. Richer than others who believed so much in formal education. I am not against formal education, but it is not must, especially for countries where it has lost its flavour.

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Quote from: KingsDen on August 29, 2022, 04:42:21 PM

Op, when you say about education you have to be specific, that is because no one will likely be successful without education. Let me assume you meant formal education. Well it is not everyone that requires formal education. You can get educated informally by learning skills. You can do that by not even attending any institution . What you need is to be smart and to be adaptive to the environment, focused on evolving technology like bitcoin, AI and you will be successful. Go get degree if you want to be a medical doctor, lawyer, engineer or other professions that requires degree

Formal education is a must according to me, if not you need to have focus on something from the very young age. With that it is possible to learn out of the market as well as the experience we gain through different failures. When a person have got formal education he can start with some sort of expertise knowledge with which he can lower the chances of failure (End of the day it is all about the hard work and smart work). A person who doesn't have have formal education can master marketing, but he can't be good with development.

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