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My mother, who is incredibly religious and is slowly slipping into dementia, has started giving money to Andrew Micheal's. I consider this guy an ass-clown, not because he is a Christian, because he is a 'faith healer'. I know that my mother is giving money to this guy because I monitor her bank accounts and email. Yeah, it sounds horrible to watch someone like this and it is. I don't trust her ability to make informed decisions and she has proven in the past that she is easily manipulated. If I was a 'Christian' the conversation would probably go a lot better. Because I am the spawn of Satan, aka an atheist, anytime I bring up something remotely religious it becomes a major issue between us. I'm trying to figure out how to convince her without seeming like I'm insulting her beliefs. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.

OK, you need to get full Power of Attorney or guardianship before she gets so far gone that you can't and the courts intervene.

With full POA or guardianship you can stop the donations and preserve her funds as she will for sure need them in future.

Hit up your local lawyer.

My $.02.

Wink

This is the right answer. Let her know that you're concerned about her running out of money and offer to take over her finances. Unfortunately this will create more work for you, but you'll be able to preserve her wealth. You can tell her to make a list of organizations that you'll donate to after she's gone and no longer needs the money for herself.

Don't bother to argue about religion or discredit the preacher. Anything you say that runs counter to her existing beliefs will be dismissed as Satan's attempts to deceive her.
The problem is, it is his mother after all - so maybe he doesn't want to do that.
Or he has brothers / sisters, which would make the issue more complicated.

He can either get control of the matter or let things go to Hell.

His choice.

Thank you for your kind reply!

My $.02.

Wink
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My mother, who is incredibly religious and is slowly slipping into dementia, has started giving money to Andrew Micheal's. I consider this guy an ass-clown, not because he is a Christian, because he is a 'faith healer'. I know that my mother is giving money to this guy because I monitor her bank accounts and email. Yeah, it sounds horrible to watch someone like this and it is. I don't trust her ability to make informed decisions and she has proven in the past that she is easily manipulated. If I was a 'Christian' the conversation would probably go a lot better. Because I am the spawn of Satan, aka an atheist, anytime I bring up something remotely religious it becomes a major issue between us. I'm trying to figure out how to convince her without seeming like I'm insulting her beliefs. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.

OK, you need to get full Power of Attorney or guardianship before she gets so far gone that you can't and the courts intervene.

With full POA or guardianship you can stop the donations and preserve her funds as she will for sure need them in future.

Hit up your local lawyer.

My $.02.

Wink

This is the right answer. Let her know that you're concerned about her running out of money and offer to take over her finances. Unfortunately this will create more work for you, but you'll be able to preserve her wealth. You can tell her to make a list of organizations that you'll donate to after she's gone and no longer needs the money for herself.

Don't bother to argue about religion or discredit the preacher. Anything you say that runs counter to her existing beliefs will be dismissed as Satan's attempts to deceive her.
The problem is, it is his mother after all - so maybe he doesn't want to do that.
Or he has brothers / sisters, which would make the issue more complicated.
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My mother, who is incredibly religious and is slowly slipping into dementia, has started giving money to Andrew Micheal's. I consider this guy an ass-clown, not because he is a Christian, because he is a 'faith healer'. I know that my mother is giving money to this guy because I monitor her bank accounts and email. Yeah, it sounds horrible to watch someone like this and it is. I don't trust her ability to make informed decisions and she has proven in the past that she is easily manipulated. If I was a 'Christian' the conversation would probably go a lot better. Because I am the spawn of Satan, aka an atheist, anytime I bring up something remotely religious it becomes a major issue between us. I'm trying to figure out how to convince her without seeming like I'm insulting her beliefs. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.

OK, you need to get full Power of Attorney or guardianship before she gets so far gone that you can't and the courts intervene.

With full POA or guardianship you can stop the donations and preserve her funds as she will for sure need them in future.

Hit up your local lawyer.

My $.02.

Wink

This is the right answer. Let her know that you're concerned about her running out of money and offer to take over her finances. Unfortunately this will create more work for you, but you'll be able to preserve her wealth. You can tell her to make a list of organizations that you'll donate to after she's gone and no longer needs the money for herself.

Don't bother to argue about religion or discredit the preacher. Anything you say that runs counter to her existing beliefs will be dismissed as Satan's attempts to deceive her.
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it's their choice to naively donate to people they shouldn't be though. it kind of bugs me too, but they are just doing what they want to.. you can't stop that.
In this situation it's not her choice. She is being manipulated.

it's her choice to be manipulated. no one's holding a gun to her head.

If you were slipping into Dementia, would you want somebody to trust you?

Dementia:

http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/guide/alzheimers-dementia

It's pretty easy to manipulate a good percentage of the people who have it.

we don't know that she has dementia. that's apples to oranges.
Are you serious? OP said so in the first post.

oh, you're right.. i skimmed through the first post before making thatp ost and didn't see mention of dementia.
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it's their choice to naively donate to people they shouldn't be though. it kind of bugs me too, but they are just doing what they want to.. you can't stop that.
In this situation it's not her choice. She is being manipulated.

it's her choice to be manipulated. no one's holding a gun to her head.

If you were slipping into Dementia, would you want somebody to trust you?

Dementia:

http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/guide/alzheimers-dementia

It's pretty easy to manipulate a good percentage of the people who have it.

we don't know that she has dementia. that's apples to oranges.
Are you serious? OP said so in the first post.
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it's their choice to naively donate to people they shouldn't be though. it kind of bugs me too, but they are just doing what they want to.. you can't stop that.
In this situation it's not her choice. She is being manipulated.

it's her choice to be manipulated. no one's holding a gun to her head.

If you were slipping into Dementia, would you want somebody to trust you?

Dementia:

http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/guide/alzheimers-dementia

It's pretty easy to manipulate a good percentage of the people who have it.

we don't know that she has dementia. that's apples to oranges.

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My mother, who is incredibly religious and is slowly slipping into dementia...

'Slipping'. And I said nothing about having it, I said 'slipping'.
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it's their choice to naively donate to people they shouldn't be though. it kind of bugs me too, but they are just doing what they want to.. you can't stop that.
In this situation it's not her choice. She is being manipulated.

it's her choice to be manipulated. no one's holding a gun to her head.

If you were slipping into Dementia, would you want somebody to trust you?

Dementia:

http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/guide/alzheimers-dementia

It's pretty easy to manipulate a good percentage of the people who have it.

we don't know that she has dementia. that's apples to oranges.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
it's their choice to naively donate to people they shouldn't be though. it kind of bugs me too, but they are just doing what they want to.. you can't stop that.
In this situation it's not her choice. She is being manipulated.

it's her choice to be manipulated. no one's holding a gun to her head.

If you were slipping into Dementia, would you want somebody to trust you?

Dementia:

http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/guide/alzheimers-dementia

It's pretty easy to manipulate a good percentage of the people who have it.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
it's their choice to naively donate to people they shouldn't be though. it kind of bugs me too, but they are just doing what they want to.. you can't stop that.
In this situation it's not her choice. She is being manipulated.

it's her choice to be manipulated. no one's holding a gun to her head.
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it's their choice to naively donate to people they shouldn't be though. it kind of bugs me too, but they are just doing what they want to.. you can't stop that.
In this situation it's not her choice. She is being manipulated.
sr. member
Activity: 434
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it's their choice to naively donate to people they shouldn't be though. it kind of bugs me too, but they are just doing what they want to.. you can't stop that.
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I hate when I see elderly people that shouldn't be giving money giving money. They r old and had a long life and deserve to treat themselves not other peoplw
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Maybe look for alternative outlets for her that will at least do good with the money they get from her
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Can't say I like the deception but it worked out for the best.   Was your grandmother mentally impaired in any way at the time, like the OP? 

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I once caught my fixed income grand mother writing a $3000 check to mail to a televangelist because he need help 'building his ministry' and she just had to help. I just let her write the check and told her I would put it in the mail for her.
About a year later she had a pipe burst in her house causing almost $2000 dollars in damage. At this point she was living pretty much hand to mouth, thinking she had sent most of her savings to that televangelist. I went to her house and gave her back the envelope I told her I would mail for her. She was utterly shocked.
I told her: "Granny, I told you I would mail this for you, and today I am living up to that promise by delivering it to the person that truly needs and deserves it."
She hugged me for almost an hour, and until she died whenever I visited she never failed to hug and thank me for protecting her life savings in spite if her.
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Time is on our side, yes it is!
I find this a little bizarre but I'd suggest that you make it clear to your mother that it's not a good send money in.  Sort of simple as that really or you could look for evidence of a scam taking place might help.
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My mother, who is incredibly religious and is slowly slipping into dementia, has started giving money to Andrew Micheal's. I consider this guy an ass-clown, not because he is a Christian, because he is a 'faith healer'. I know that my mother is giving money to this guy because I monitor her bank accounts and email. Yeah, it sounds horrible to watch someone like this and it is. I don't trust her ability to make informed decisions and she has proven in the past that she is easily manipulated. If I was a 'Christian' the conversation would probably go a lot better. Because I am the spawn of Satan, aka an atheist, anytime I bring up something remotely religious it becomes a major issue between us. I'm trying to figure out how to convince her without seeming like I'm insulting her beliefs. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.

OK, you need to get full Power of Attorney or guardianship before she gets so far gone that you can't and the courts intervene.

With full POA or guardianship you can stop the donations and preserve her funds as she will for sure need them in future.

Hit up your local lawyer.

My $.02.

Wink
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Easy,

Tamper with the TV, short curcuit it or something to make sure it doesn't work anymore. Keep doing this to every TV then tell her God wants you to stop giving this guy money

You can also use parental channel blocking

Convincing a Christian never works.
That is a very simple action that may benefit her a lot. As long as she doesn't go on to the next fraudster.
sr. member
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My mother, who is incredibly religious and is slowly slipping into dementia, has started giving money to Andrew Micheal's. I consider this guy an ass-clown, not because he is a Christian, because he is a 'faith healer'. I know that my mother is giving money to this guy because I monitor her bank accounts and email. Yeah, it sounds horrible to watch someone like this and it is. I don't trust her ability to make informed decisions and she has proven in the past that she is easily manipulated. If I was a 'Christian' the conversation would probably go a lot better. Because I am the spawn of Satan, aka an atheist, anytime I bring up something remotely religious it becomes a major issue between us. I'm trying to figure out how to convince her without seeming like I'm insulting her beliefs. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.
Also you can try this : First you're going to have to convince one of your friends to dress up as a televangelist. Next you'll have to record him in front of a green screen or at a church preaching hardcore Christianity. Then have a phone number on the screen for donations using the green screen. Finally take the tape/dvd and put it in at your mother's house and BAM! Your friend gets the money that you can then funnel back into her accounts. It's foolproof.
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change it to channel 667
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