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Topic: Electricity bill and when do you stop mining? - page 2. (Read 3919 times)
Hmm true. I'd have to take a look at the bill to see just how many extra charges there are .
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En 2009, l'électricité produite par la fission nucléaire ne constituait que 2,35 % de tous les approvisionnements d'Hydro-Québec
$0.06 here in Michigan at home. At the office though it's rolled into the utility payment so "free".
It's $0.11 per kWh here in VA.
Bought one of those kill a watt things to see how much power my PC draws but I still don't have any good mining GPUs to calculate with yet... I've been an nVidia guy but hoping to find some 5870's at some point.
Bought one of those kill a watt things to see how much power my PC draws but I still don't have any good mining GPUs to calculate with yet... I've been an nVidia guy but hoping to find some 5870's at some point.
$0.20 kWh (Hong Kong)
in China Mainland, just across the border it's $0.11 kWh
I didn't even start mining yet so no idea when I will stop.
In my home country Austria (I work and live overseas) it's €0.2079 kWh, and people believe their energy is hydro ecause they have lots of mountains and rivers. If they'd bother to read the small print of their monthly energy bill, they'd actually see that only a third is hydro and lots of energy is imported.
How the Germans can decide to do without Nuclear power by 2022 is beyond my understanding. I guess they just had to give the people what they wanted to hear because they have enough problems on their hand already with the bad economy etc.
I will have a bag of popcorn from far away to see how that plays out. My bet is that they will reverse course or delay this for a few decades and then reverse course. Or just shut them all down and rely in imported (nuclear or fossil) power which doesn't really do any good.
In Austria at least, some studies have concluded that hydro won't be enough.
in China Mainland, just across the border it's $0.11 kWh
I didn't even start mining yet so no idea when I will stop.
In my home country Austria (I work and live overseas) it's €0.2079 kWh, and people believe their energy is hydro ecause they have lots of mountains and rivers. If they'd bother to read the small print of their monthly energy bill, they'd actually see that only a third is hydro and lots of energy is imported.
How the Germans can decide to do without Nuclear power by 2022 is beyond my understanding. I guess they just had to give the people what they wanted to hear because they have enough problems on their hand already with the bad economy etc.
I will have a bag of popcorn from far away to see how that plays out. My bet is that they will reverse course or delay this for a few decades and then reverse course. Or just shut them all down and rely in imported (nuclear or fossil) power which doesn't really do any good.
In Austria at least, some studies have concluded that hydro won't be enough.
In quebec our elctricity is made with water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentilly_Nuclear_Generating_Station
Sorry, he meant 94.8% is made with water.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Énergie_au_Québec#.C3.89lectricit.C3.A9
(no english version for the data)
In quebec our elctricity is made with water.
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2) I would rather had 500 nuclear reactors than millions of acres of high cost PV panels.
Wow, if it was up to me I would get rid of all of them...
If I had to pay 0.50 Euro I would pay it to save the enviroment. You guys in the US dont care about that yet, but you will do so in the future (or you will have to). Look how you live, look what you eat, look what cars you drive, etc. In 2022 we will be the ones who laughs about you, when you live in a country with 104 (2011) nuclear power stations ... I wouldn't live there. There is something that counts more then money.
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Which has nothing to do with nothing.
1) PV solar isn't that great for the environment. It is made from a soup of highly toxic chemical and today 65% of it is made in ... China. Yup those international bastions of clean manufacturing.
2) I would rather had 500 nuclear reactors than millions of acres of high cost PV panels.
3) Even if you are right it has absolutely nothing to do w/ the post you responded to which was about the ECONOMICS of PV SOLAR.
I first thought solar is the way to go, but after so much research..... i concluded..... solar will never work. The panels are not efficient, and we need batteries that are 100x more capable than today's batteries.
This is what the nuclear power business wants you to believe. Look at Germany, it works very well ...
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Then you are way over your head.Greetz
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Look at how much $$ the German gov't subsidize it.
After so much money poured in by the gov, solar power still cost you over 0.25 euro
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2) I would rather had 500 nuclear reactors than millions of acres of high cost PV panels.
Wow, if it was up to me I would get rid of all of them...
Everyone who lives in Cali tells me it's 78 and sunny every day, all the time. Why isn't that entire state covered in solar cells?
B/c solar will NEVER work, at least not now.Every solar project has been subsidized heavily by Gov. And even so, they still go bankrupt.
Say thanks to the petroleum lobbyists
Here in sunny south Fla,I pay .11 k/h & only 1 solar farm in Arcadia,Fla.WTF???
If I had to pay 0.50 Euro I would pay it to save the enviroment. You guys in the US dont care about that yet, but you will do so in the future (or you will have to). Look how you live, look what you eat, look what cars you drive, etc. In 2022 we will be the ones who laughs about you, when you live in a country with 104 (2011) nuclear power stations ... I wouldn't live there. There is something that counts more then money.
Greetz
NetworkerZ
Greetz
NetworkerZ
Which has nothing to do with nothing.
1) PV solar isn't that great for the environment. It is made from a soup of highly toxic chemical and today 65% of it is made in ... China. Yup those international bastions of clean manufacturing.
2) I would rather had 500 nuclear reactors than millions of acres of high cost PV panels.
3) Even if you are right it has absolutely nothing to do w/ the post you responded to which was about the ECONOMICS of PV SOLAR.
I have to agree with D&T here.
Nuclear is the way to go whether you like it or now. It is much better than anything available to us right now ( maybe except hydro ).
Low pollution and cheap prices FTW. Solar panels are a fail technology and always will be just like SSDs ( until the tech properly matures and they become viable ).
If I had to pay 0.50 Euro I would pay it to save the enviroment. You guys in the US dont care about that yet, but you will do so in the future (or you will have to). Look how you live, look what you eat, look what cars you drive, etc. In 2022 we will be the ones who laughs about you, when you live in a country with 104 (2011) nuclear power stations ... I wouldn't live there. There is something that counts more then money.
Greetz
NetworkerZ
Greetz
NetworkerZ
Which has nothing to do with nothing.
1) PV solar isn't that great for the environment. It is made from a soup of highly toxic chemical and today 65% of it is made in ... China. Yup those international bastions of clean manufacturing.
2) I would rather had 500 nuclear reactors than millions of acres of high cost PV panels.
3) Even if you are right it has absolutely nothing to do w/ the post you responded to which was about the ECONOMICS of PV SOLAR.
If I had to pay 0.50 Euro I would pay it to save the enviroment. You guys in the US dont care about that yet, but you will do so in the future (or you will have to). Look how you live, look what you eat, look what cars you drive, etc. In 2022 we will be the ones who laughs about you, when you live in a country with 104 (2011) nuclear power stations ... I wouldn't live there. There is something that counts more then money.
Greetz
NetworkerZ
Greetz
NetworkerZ
This is what the nuclear power business wants you to believe. Look at Germany, it works very well ...
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NetworkerZ
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NetworkerZ
LOLZ. The Germany govt forces utilties to buy power at 300% of wholesale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feed-in_tariffs_in_Germany
Yup anyone can setup a solar power plant and utilties are required to buy solar @ 0.38 eurocents per kWh (over $0.50) despite the fact that there is plenty of power available much cheaper. Without the subsidies it simply couldn't compete.
With enough "free money" I could make just about anything popular. I could get you to burn your own poop if you got a check for $20 on each turd you burned yourself. See "clean poop" technology works.
Still you are right all those billions and billions in "free money" (paid by ratepayers so essentially just a transfer of wealth from electrical consumers to those who own solar power arrays) results in a staggering 18 TWh of annual generation .... after 11 years of subsidies .... which is <4% of Germany's electrical consumption and <1% of total energy consumed.
TL/DR version. If all the power in Germany was produced by PV your electrical rate would be ~$0.50 per kWh. The only reason your electric rate is "only" $0.20 - $0.30 per kWh is because of that "inefficient" nuclear, hydro and natural gas is bringing the average down.
This is what the nuclear power business wants you to believe. Look at Germany, it works very well ...
Greetz
NetworkerZ
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NetworkerZ
Everyone who lives in Cali tells me it's 78 and sunny every day, all the time. Why isn't that entire state covered in solar cells?
B/c solar will NEVER work, at least not now.Every solar project has been subsidized heavily by Gov. And even so, they still go bankrupt.
about 4 cents when it is warmer than -13 celcius, and about 14 cents when it is colder.
I have to pay 0.25 € (about 0.3285 $), that's expensive but it's 100% eco-power, so it's OK.
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NetworkerZ
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NetworkerZ
What do you mean by eco-power?
When we buy electricity in Germany, we can choose if we want to have eco-power (solar, water, wind, ...) or usual power like coal or nuclear. If we choose eco-power we have to pay ~0.25 Euro and usual power is about ~0.17 Euro. Germany decided to close down ALL nuclear power station till 2022. The goal is 100% eco-power in Germany.
0.25 euro is 0.25 euro
0.25 Euro is about $ 0.3285
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