Topic: Electrum no receiving my bitcoins (Read 200 times)

I didn't even mention the term price, but profit. Those who just want to make a profit without actually having any other interest in BTC are people I don't want to advise or help, because I don't want to be held responsible for their financial loss. Such people sooner or later make some kind of nonsense, whether they lose their backup, get hacked, or something like that.


Simple mathematics is "a little bit unreasonable"? Well, that's something we learn in elementary school, and before buying something I always check price. Fact is that something is wrong with people who buy BTC and not check price before.


I do not like Roger, he is not only a scammer, but he is also known as Judas of Bitcoin. But fraud always requires at least two people, one who cheats and the other who is naive enough to be cheated.

It's a shame that all the egos, politics and posturing got in the way of bitcoin moving forward in a united manner. Now we have several forks all claiming to be the "true" bitcoin and clowns like CSW getting his face in the media making up all sorts of bs.

This division has definitely caused harm to the entire cryptosphere in my opinion... but hopefully those burned due to the confusion generated by all the shenanigans will not be put off cryptocurrency completely.

You just said on the previous page that you refused to talk to people about bitcoin if you thought they were only interested in the price, and now you say that brand new users should be paying close enough attention to the price that they know they are being scammed before they've even bought any? I think that's a little bit unreasonable. Sure, people should do a bit more research before they jump in so they know exactly what it is they are buying, but we can hardly blame people for going to bitcoin.com, clicking on a button that says "Buy Bitcoin", being met with a large banner which says "Buy Bitcoin with a credit card", and then being sold some useless altcoin instead.

Getting onboard with bitcoin needs to be a straightforward as possible if we want mass adoption. People losing money to this scam is the fault of Roger Ver, not the fault of his victims.

To be honest, probably 9 out of 10 people want to invest in BTC just to profit, they don't care about technology, crypto payments, security... What happens after the purchase is mostly irresponsible behavior, which leads to a loss of funds, and in the end it is always the fault of the one who helped with everything. I don't think I want that kind of responsibility, because everyone should be responsible for their money.

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There is no doubt that this is a dishonest and immoral behavior in order to make financial profit and promote your product, but I still cannot understand that someone will allow themselves to be deceived in this way. If value of 1BTC is $7000, and BCH is $200 then simple math would be enough to notice something strange when buying coins. It is not same to buy 0.10 BTC and pay $700 for that, and buy 0.10 BCH and pay $20, there is a huge difference here. It just goes in favor of what I'm saying, these people don't know the basics, nor are they aware of the price of BTC.

The fact that people come to the forum to ask questions like this only after they get into a problem also says something. They're first buying, then ask questions.

Yeah, removing the "Cash" part of the name was a particularly scummy move, even for Ver. How pathetic must your coin be that you are embarrassed by its own name, which you gave it? How pathetic that you must literally masquerade it as something else just to get people to buy it. It's a trash coin and even Ver knows it. I also like that picture because of the prices on it. Shows you just how terribly BCash has done in comparison to bitcoin over the years.

They still use the word "Bitcoin" to refer to BCH all over the site. Just from the landing page:
"Buy Bitcoin" - takes you to a page to buy BCH
"Discover Bitcoin for your business" - takes you to a page explaining how to accept BCH
"Buy and sell Bitcoin with others" - a page of offers to buy and sell BCH

Even using "bitcoin.com" instead of "bitcoincash.com" or similar is bad enough.

well that's true but at the same time i can't blame many of them specially in early days when this scam site was selling them garbage and they called that "bitcoin".
so even if you knew the basics and went to a site called "bitcoin.com" and the first thing on their list of coins to sell was "bitcoin" and the second one was "bitcoin core" you would never buy the second one, you will always buy the fist thinking you bought bitcoin but in fact you were buying a scam shitcoin.
take a look for yourself:


i believe they changed this after so many angry customers who got scammed but who knows how they are scamming people now.

That entire scam site is designed with a single goal in mind - to trick new users like OP who don't know any better in to buying Ver's trash altcoin. If you click on "Buy Bitcoin", it defaults to buying BCash. They use the word "bitcoin" to fraudulently refer to BCash all across their site, with use the name of bitcoin client to refer to actual bitcoin to add to the confusion. Ver knows his second rate altcoin can't stand on its own merits and doesn't interest genuine or technical-minded users, so he deliberately blurs the lines to trick users who don't know better. OP isn't the first newbie we've seen lose money to the BCash scam, and unfortunately he won't be the last.

Hopefully OP has success following the instructions above to recover the BCH he accidentally bought. Make sure to sell it immediately and buy BTC, and create a new Electrum wallet to receive your real BTC to since you will have just had to import your private key to another wallet.

If their only source of information is bitcoin.com, I'd have to agree with you. They present Bitcoin Cash as the true coin and call Bitcoin, Bitcoin Core. This is done on purpose to deceive the user. Someone with very little knowledge would immediately reject Bitcoin Core and go for the Cash variant. 'Core' doesn't hint at money, they are not sure what it means. 'Cash' does exactly that. They might have heard that Bitcoin is digital cash and boom, they fell for the trap.   

Perhaps you were lucky and did not send your coins to segwit address^[1], otherwise, you would need more to be able to get that money back.

To be honest, I cannot blame beginners because there is no reference to distinguish between what is right and wrong. You need to read from all sides to know who to trust, which is something that many beginners ignore, so you find them trust by default in .com sites.


[1] Accidentally sent BCH to BTC address!

You are absolutely correct in rejecting. This is what I realized long ago when I used to encourage people to buy bitcoins. They though that it's some kind of online scheme I am taking about and I will have some benefit from it hence I am asking them to buy. These days I only ask them to learn the technology, to learn the idea of bitcoin. I do not ask them to buy any coin unless they ask it first.  

No one can fool a person who knows at least some basics, and all those who buy BCH thinking they have bought BTC have no idea what they are doing. While there is no doubt that site is presenting their shitcoin as a true BTC and they are guilty of it, there is also great responsibility for those who behave irresponsibly.

I personally rejected some of my friends when they wanted to invest in BTC, because they were interested in nothing more than profit. The first thing is education, then investing in security, and after that we can talk about buying some coins. All those who work in reverse order will make a mistake like the one made by the OP (thankfully easily repairable), and in many cases irreparable. If OP sent a BCH to wallet over which he had no control over private keys, game over.

unfortunately this only happens when people do business with scammers. it could happen to anyone if they are not careful, being new is only making them more vulnerable since they may not be familiar with who the scammers are. for example in this case bitcoin.com website has been scamming a lot of people for a couple of years now, mostly newcomer victims.

There are so many Electrum forks that I lost count.

Electrum... Dash, LTC, Cash, SV, BTG, Doge, Zcash, Zclassic, etc...

It's one of the best and most famous lightweight wallets, so it appears that people just go with it for everything.

Now this serves you as a learning OP.
This happens quite sometimes if you are new to crypto and hopefully, you could recover your BCH (and make it converted into BTC). I suggest reading carefully, getting familiar with crypto coin's names, and never hesitate to ask someone if you need help. And also, have to use other exchanges other than Bitcoin.com if you will buy again.

Wait....

I did not know that there are Electron Cash too LOL
So, better follow this to recover your shitcoin.

Wow, am lucky to have you , what an answer with shema and details explanation! thanks you BitcoinGirl.club
Ok i got the private key. I will now go to bitcoin.com , make those parts.
Thanks Hosseinimir93 too.

Yes, I know that.
I just tried to understand what OP did.
Thanks for clarification. I edited that post to not make any confusion.

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To OP:

In order to recover your bitcoin Cash, you can also use Electron Cash. (Download it from https://electroncash.org/)

It works same as Electrum.
You will be able to recover your coins even using your seed phrase.

Correct!
It is that shitcoin which I talked about before and you are not the only one who made this mistake. There are users who do the same mistakes every day and Ver thinks it's fun. Now you really need to do some extra work to recover this funds.

Do you have the seed of the electrum wallet? Answer is yes of course.
Now open electrum and find "address" tab. If you do not see the address tab then go to view> show address and you will see address tab.
You will see list of addresses. Among these addresses you will see 13qkH**** (see the image)



Right click on it > click on Private Key
You will see either p2pkh:K********* or p2pkh:L********* format private key. (Do not share it with anyone)

Once you have the private key then you will need to go to that shitcoin website (bitcoin.com). Download their wallet and restore the address with the private key you have from Electrum. You should be able to access those BCH. Now this is not bitcoin, it's Bitcoin Cash in other words the shitcoin LOL

To have bitcoin you will now need to exchange it with anyone who is looking for those shitcoins to buy or use an exchange to convert those shitcoins into bitcoins. I will suggest you to create another new bitcoin wallet using Electrum when you send the exchanged bitcoins to electrum. Do not use the current electrum wallet anymore. I think will be some security breach since you already restored one of the private key of one address from that wallet. It's always easy to create a new wallet in Electrum.

Thanks bitcoingirl.club for your answer

here is the picutres of my receive, so it's writting BCH so that's mean bitcoin cash , i presume.

https://imgur.com/a/Md6WJFK

I did not ask that. I asked can you copy the address where you sent the bitcoins from bitcoin.com. Using the block explorer one can easily see where are the coins. If you bought BCH instead of Bitcoin then you will need BCH wallet to recover the fund and then you will need to exchange them for bitcoin before to send them in an electrum wallet. I am assuming you bought BCH not Bitcoins. I have seen many newbies to make this mistake when they buy from bitcoin.com. That's a shit website where Roger shills his shitcoin BCH and people gets confuse by thinking that they are buying bitcoins.

There are nothing as Bitcoin Core. It's a made up name given by Roger Ver to separate Bitcoin from his shitcoin.