Topic: Elephantcoin p2pool mining pool at TreasureQuarry. 1% fee. European server. - page 2. (Read 9651 times)

There may be a few explosions in the quarry tonight...

Over the last couple of days, it's been really noticeable that the time between shares has been taking way too long to correct to the pool's target of 20 seconds when there has been a big change in hashrate. This has been particularly noticeable when total pool hashrate has dropped from quite a high hashrate to a very low hashrate...I've seen the time between shares be at 30 minutes or more and stay at that type of period for, well, the last couple of days when hashrate has been low (which has been most of those last couple of days).  

I'm working on tweaking the settings to try to improve this tonight so that the time between shares adjusts faster to the target of 20 seconds - you may find your miner stops for a minute or two a couple of times whilst I quickly stop and start P2Pool to pick up the (hopefully improved) new settings.  Apologies for any inconvenience meanwhile.

Hee hee ...10,000 shares in one day would be quite a feat Maybe 10,000 of those psuedo-share thingies I mentioned in the top post.

You're right, it would be nice if other folks joined in. Like bronan said earlier though, it could be that many people are still mining solo due to the low difficulty. Hopefully as difficulty and popularity rises we'll see more miners digging happily away at the quarry.

Someone should join in it's 1 block from Thu Jul 25 2013 15:10:03 GMT+0200 (Central Europe Standard Time).
Even thought i sumbmmited like 10k shares.

Thanks, flyingcat

wow, nice and clear explanations

Thanks for replying, bronan. 

I can understand you feeling bugged but in the end things do work out fairly...
 
I can see e9tvV8kk1yTJVGqotKrmNkYfXY7DKA6tR7 having been used in the pool according to the graphs pages. I've copied your daily graph below. 





The top part shows your hashing at the toastily-warm speed of around 800kh/s to 1mh/s . The bottom part shows your expected payout at any point in time IF a block had been found at that particular point in time.  Sharp high peaks in that bottom graph are likely to indicate that a superblock occurred somewhere in the elephantcoin network at that time - it doesn't necessarily mean that the superblock was found by TreasureQuarry. The highest peak, for example is around 35 ELP but you would have only received that IF treasurequarry found that particular superblock at that time.  Ignoring the sharp peaks therefore, you can see that your expected payout started low, as is expected in PPLNS pools, but was rising at quite a nice rate.  If you had kept mining it would have kept rising until reaching a relatively steady level (this assumes the overall total pool hashrate remained steady).

If we look at a block which I've chosen at random from around the time you started mining...lets look at block 38124 .  As you had only just started mining you would have only built up a small number of shares in the overall PPLNS pool.  You only received 1.85195724  ELP from this block.  The highest payout was 30.72763471  which went to miner eEApwvgGwZdwA7277PBJorHZ1xF5LEtuvb . As you've correctly stated, this is the miner who had errored-out for a few hours previously and had not been earning valid shares...but...for quite some time before he had errored out he had been earning valid shares and had been the main share-earner for a good period (you can compare the hashrate graph of eEApwvgGwZdwA7277PBJorHZ1xF5LEtuvb on the weekly graphs page with the top "Local Rate" graph to see this.  The Local Rate graph is the total hashrate of all miners at TreasureQuarry.)  During the time that you were mining, eEApwvgGwZdwA7277PBJorHZ1xF5LEtuvb still had shares in the PPLNS pool that needed to be paid out based on this previous mining, which is why he continued to get paid. Similarly, other miners had previously accumulated shares which  a that thime remained eligible for payout in the PPLNS system.

Let's look at a later block than 38124.....lets look at number 39151, from 9.06AM. Here we can see that your payout at that time had increased to  14.63916247 ELP because you had been building up more shares in the PPLNS pool.  Conversely, the payout for eEApwvgGwZdwA7277PBJorHZ1xF5LEtuvb had reduced to 22.98416603 as his proportion of shares in the PPLNS pool had decreased. 

At the moment I'm writing this with only me and one other person mining, eEApwvgGwZdwA7277PBJorHZ1xF5LEtuvb still has enough share in the pool to deserve a 26.93 ELP payout if a block is found right now...and in fact you too now still have enough share accumulated to get a 20.44 payout if a block was found right now, even though you haven't been mining since over 12 hours ago.

I hope this helps to explain, but again if you have any more questions please feel free to ask.

It was in my previous post where i allready showed my miner config but nevertheless these 2 addresses i used for mining

eCTTWx6yxZYZaB8q9TeWgSfs3xQ1RzkZvP
e9tvV8kk1yTJVGqotKrmNkYfXY7DKA6tR7

somehow i used 2 different addresses in 2 different configs which i saw after on both adresses some coin had come in at certain moment

Again i can not really mine on gpu now since temps are extreme hot these days which make the machines pump up to 93c on the gpu's
So when i have a cool day i mine with them at about 400 to 1000 kh/s the second machine has been turned of completely since temp at that room was 44c
pretty unhealthy hot

what bugged me was that i saw only the guy with the huge error creation and some minor miners producing some hash while i with around 800 kh/s only received 9 to 16 coins for every block which was found meaning that between 34 and more went somewhere else but not to any person mining at the pool besides that 3 very small miners and the error boy

Hello bronan, if you can tell me the infinitecoin address that you've been using to mine, I can help to address your questions specifically regarding your own mining. Meanwhile what you need to bear in mind is that P2Pool uses a variation of PPLNS, taking into consideration an adjustment for share difficulty...or, to put it in the way that the bitcoin wiki puts it :

"Each share contains a generation transaction that pays to the previous n shares, where n is the number of shares whose total work is equal to 3 times the average work required to solve a block, or 8640" ... "whichever is smaller. Payouts are weighted based on the amount of work each share took to solve, which is proportional to the p2pool difficulty at that time. "  

TreasureQuarry uses a target of 20 seconds between shares. Considering that p2pool uses an N value of 8640, it can take 20*8640, ie 2 days for you to get up to "full speed" regarding payouts.
Err, no.  Again, considering PPLNS nature of p2pool, payouts going out for any particular block may include shares earned by miners who had been mining during earlier blocks and may not be mining "now".

I can tell you my own mining addrees, it's  e3TTXcMirQT5qzy3nZ9kyxqtaXAynJ8LTK
The pool's fee address is eNbpmswDpKTVghdVVdepYMFfsfigjYWkC6

Feel free to check the block explorer, and you'll see how much has gone to those addressess.  It'll work out to an average of 0.5 ELP per block for the 1% pool fee on eNbpmswDpKTVghdVVdepYMFfsfigjYWkC6 (it wobbles around that figure, again due to the way P2Pool works which I can try to explain more if you like, but will average 0.5 in the long term). You can always check a p2pool's fee  percentage by adding /fee to the main p2pool url after the port number, ie in the case of TreasureQuarry's Elephantcoin pool it's show at http://elephantcoin.treasurequarry.com:14777/fee

My own mining on e3TTXcMirQT5qzy3nZ9kyxqtaXAynJ8LTK will, like all miners, depend on the share difficulty of the pool at times that I have been mining and earned shares. You can check the graphs page to view what I would have mined at any time IF a block had been found that particular point in time, and again, feel free to check the block explorer to see my actual mining earnings.

I get nothing else.

All other addresses are other miners (feel free to ask on the forum, maybe in the main elephantcoin thread and you may get people confirming this although possibly some people may want to remain their addresses anonymous so I can't guarantee you'll get people confirming their addresses).

I hope this has allayed your concerns but please feel free to ask if you have any more questions.    


 

hmm tell me why i only get between 5 and 16 coins while i am the only and biggest miner at your pool where is the rest from the minimum 50 coins
apperently you just take at least 34 coins

LoL after a extreme hot day fired up the hot babies again for some extra slurfy coins what i am wondering is how its possible with so low hashing power i see tons of blocks pass by but i am only getting a few of them or even non at all ...... :S
Had mined for 5 hours and no blocks at all

 

Service Message: calling miner eEApwvgGwZdwA7277PBJorHZ1xF5LEtuvb  ... you seem to have suddenly jumped to getting around 100% DOA shares . Other miners are OK, so I can only guess that something's gone a bit wobbly your end.  You may want to check your miner - don't want you to miss out on getting valid shares.

Thanks for having a go at the pool, bronan.

This line shows the wrong url...

There shouldn't be a slash (/) between  elephantcoin.treasurequarry.com and the colon ( : )  . Can you check or post here the command-line that you're using to start cgminer?

Well funny enough i tried mining at your pool guess what it fails xD


[2013-07-20 02:44:12] Started cgminer 3.3.1
[2013-07-20 02:44:12] Loaded configuration file elf.conf
[2013-07-20 02:44:13] Probing for an alive pool
[2013-07-20 02:44:13] Network diff set to 5.07K
[2013-07-20 02:44:13] No suitable long-poll found for http://192.168.178.11:13337  << my local pool

[2013-07-20 02:44:13] Switching to pool 1 http://192.168.178.11:13337 - first alive pool
[2013-07-20 02:44:13] Failed to resolve (?wrong URL) elephantcoin.treasurequarry.com/:14777
[2013-07-20 02:44:13] Pool 0 slow/down or URL or credentials invalid

the config i tried with cgminer and bfgminer:

{
"pools" : [

    {
      "name" : "elf-pool",
      "url" : "http://elephantcoin.treasurequarry.com:14777",
      "user" : "eCTTWx6yxZYZaB8q9TeWgSfs3xQ1RzkZvP",
      "pass" : "x",
      "pool-priority" : "1"
    },
   
    {
      "name" : "elf",
      "url" : "http://192.168.178.11:13337",
      "user" : "eCTTWx6yxZYZaB8q9TeWgSfs3xQ1RzkZvP",
      "pass" : "x",
      "pool-priority" : "0" 
   }

],

"thread-concurrency" : "21712",
"gpu-memclock" : "1200",
"temp-hysteresis" : "3",
"temp-overheat" : "85",
"failover-only" : true,
"gpu-engine" : "900",
"temp-target" : "75",
"temp-cutoff" : "95",
"kernel" : "scrypt",
"gpu-threads" : "1",
"scan-time" : "180",
"intensity" : "13",
"worksize" : "256",
"lookup-gap" : "2",
"expiry" : "120",
"vectors" : "1",
"scrypt" : true,
"queue" : "1",
"log" : "5",

"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin"

}

Congratulations on finding your Golden Elephants, bronan.  The pool has found a few Golden Ellies too so far....yay!  I've noticed that in the Elephantcoin wallet transactions tab you can click on the "Amount" column heading to order transactions by amount. This way you can quickly find unusually high mined transactions, which are likely to be superblocks.

Yes, I guess at the current difficulty many people may indeed be mining solo.  That's cool - the pool will continue to be here for when people need it.  

with my hash speed its not needed to mine at a pool yet
and i am not even using 1/4 th my gpu power because of high temps in our country at the moment
I have got 3 blocks now with value more then 50 the highest is 211 coins so they do exist and can be found
Its just pure luck to get them, but it would be fun to find a super big block
When i could get cgminer or bfgminer to work i might try balance between solo and pool but we all gotta be patient especially those running a pool
When blocks get harder to get the miners will go onto any availlable pool
but for now i think most choose to mine solo

Eeek, where has everyone gone  . We were hashing along at a nice speed but the pool has slowed to a crawl.  Pleeease coooome baaaack.    

I'm wondering if people have been thinking, as I had originally thought, that sharp spikes in the graphs page indicate Golden Elephants (superblocks) that the pool had found, and were wondering why they hadn't receive a higher-than-normal payout around the time of the spikes.  From what I've worked out, it seems the graphs show what would be received IF a block was found at a particular time, so those spikes aren't necessarily our spikes (superblocks).  The spikes just indicate that a superblock existed at that time.

I'm aiming to work on improving the block explorer to show the total Elephantcoins generated per block (or do a totally different block explorer) this weekend that will help to confirm this.
     

Are you using the latest versions of the miners and are there any message when the crashes happen?  Can you give the exact command line that you're using? Are you using Windows or Linux?

Have you tried using guiminer?

(sorry for all the questions!)

sadly i can not get my machine to run either cgminer or bfgminer at any of the elephant or litecoin pools
somehow all miners crash except reaper but thats an old miner not very good anymore

Yay....we've found a couple of Golden Elephants (superblocks).    One was worth 331 Elephantcoins at 10.25 A.M. UTC, and there was a huge one worth 10052 Elephantcoins at 10.45AM.  I was wondering how P2Pool would deal with the superblocks but I it must have done excellently, as my shareouts from my own mining look right and there is no balance in the pool's wallet, as it properly should be with P2Pool, indicating everything has been shared out to miners. 

If I can, I'll try to get a block explorer up in the next day or two so that we can all see full details of the blocks found. 

Thanks, sam53. We've found our first couple of blocks and payouts are working fine.

Seems to be just me mining again at the moment.  Please join me, elephant fans and lets get things humming along...or should that be trumpeting along?!