Topic: Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB - page 252. (Read 1061569 times)

Hi the Eligius site seem to be down as well as the stats page?

+1 This statement.

Just a small question I got this morning:

It seems that when you do a manual payout, you do not make it so that it is included in a block mined by Elegius. Therefore, you pay transaction fees.

I know it is a negligible amount, but who pays for those fees?

Also, since we hold a good share of the hashrate now, and blocks are found about hourly, I think it would be nice if manual payouts were only included in Eligius blocks. Not only it would remove the need for those fees, but it would also make Eligius more "self-conained"/independent from the other miners.

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On a related side-note, it would be nice if the stats had a page listing the recent manual payouts. In fact, the "best" I can think of would be including it with the found blocks list: You could place next to each block a symbol indicating wether:

a) This was a regular block, with normal payout from the generation transaction.
b) This was a failsafe block, did no payout.
c) This was a manual payout block, that payed out with a manual transaction from the money found in pas failsafe blocks.

It would be nice if you added two columns in the found blocks list, where you indicate the total reward from that block (block reward+transaction fees) and in another column, the amount of money sent to miners in that block. (Thus, in the a) case, both columns would show the same amount, or almost, in the b) case, the first column would be 25 BTC+fees, the second would be 0, and in the c) case, the first would be 0 (if the block was mined by another pool) and the second would be the amount of the manual payout.)

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Another small suggestion. The "recent payout list" we have on each user stats page lists all payouts the pool did, even if that payout was later orphaned. I think orphaned payouts should either not be shown, or clearly shown as orphaned, to not cause confusion. Maybe it should be like on the found blocks page, with a toggle to show/not show them.

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Finally, a last suggestion. On user stats page, you show how much we have given to Eligius via volunary donations. It would be great if that amount also showed how much we have given from a manual transaction. Of course some money may come from addresses not associated with miners, but for those that sent you money with their miner adress, it should be easy to add it there.

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In any case, thanks for taking care of the pool! As always, good job, I love this pool. I know that you're away, so you may not have time to work on all this soon, but I know you work a lot to improve it!

Have a nice day!

I think you need to rewrite the monitoring bits. Right now, it CLEARLY knows when you are away!

Disclaimer: not a troll post

Why bitcoin can go from $1000 to $1 in a day.

LOL... wizkid digging through his couch cushions looking for millions of dollars 

Definitely working on this code more when I get home.

Anyway, caught it already and CPPSRB is catching up.  As soon as funds mature they're out to you guys.

Ooops, failsafe.  And so it begins, again.   

Close to a $1 million in payouts.

How many CEO's do we know that run a $250 million dollar business in his spare time on tips?

You guys should charge and hire a profession staff.   

My hat is off to you though.  There are very very few people in this world that would work 12 hour days handling that massive amount of money for almost zero pay, and NOT be tempted to skim some.

I'm glad my comments stirred such constructive discussion!

I took the opportunity during this payout glitch to take 18 hours of miner time and get me some MAZA coins.  Hopefully it will be worth something someday soon.  heh heh

Yes, I agree, you two need to account for the "bus scenario" and designate a procedural "fail-safe mode" to handle the unavailability of the humans.  An unfortunate side effect of creating a really good thing, of any type... is people start to rely on it to perform without fail.

I used to work for BNSF railroad.  I use their mainframe IT disaster planning as a template for all DR comparison.  They had a hot-site leased on the east coast.  In 24 hours they could have the railroad data processing back up and trains running.  They even went so far as to have designated 24 people for the DR responsibilities, with two people covering each skill set.  When they flew out to the east cost they divided up the skill sets such that 12 people went on one airline to one airport and 12 people went on another airline to a different airport.  The critical data was replicated on tape cartridges and sent with each group.  (This was 1992 folks, the Internet was still a research toy.)  If one plane went down or was diverted, the remaining 12 could perform recovery by themselves.  This drill was perform every year.  Now that's DR planning!

I'm turning on a 1% donation level, which I had set to zero.     You guys need to be able to run this thing as a business, not a hobby.  I advise others to support what we value and do the same.  I'd rather have the choice to pay 1% than to have it imposed.

Thanks again for doing a stellar job managing this albatross around your collective necks called a mining pool!

It might be a bumpy ride, but you've always come through in the end!

....And again Wizkid comes through, above and beyond the call of duty.  I am so glad I chose to pay a fee to this pool

Worked out a secure way to do a manual payout.

Majority of queue was paid, minus some blocks that are not yet confirmed.  Stats should reflect this shortly.

278.49192020 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 8ff569995ff56632309fcf968d2a30beda1140ede49f4460783a35f1b2f791b3
50.12648701 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 2b24410cc1dab9f3b4f1de9937e627a98b56838f563ff4827f01890731ea3200
125.06159973 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 0bb57f6e38012c86d4c5a28c904f2675082859147921a707d48961015a3e5057
964.90392745 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx dbab1c84db23abc33c2c89a650b23e2996e14e5876334d083f7281b62e3ef898

I will do another when more coins mature to 120+ confirms.

As partly explained by Luke-Jr, this is a combination of things.  Most notably Luke's extended travel, and my own personal unexpected family related travel have impacted my ability to do the large manual payout securely.  nothing is compromised or lost, jut not securely accessible at the moment.

I've set things up so that in the meantime I've put 100% of my own coins into paying down the queue, and have set it up so that the majority of any new failsafe coins go to my own offline wallet (instead of the one that is not easily accessible with Luke and myself away from home).  This will let me make sure the queue doesn't grow any further (beyond the maturity time of any failsafe blocks anyway).

While I apologize for the delay, I feel much more comfortable making sure that the payout is done through normal channels with full security, rather than attempting anything to do so otherwise.

In any case, the payout queue being long does not stop payouts.  It effectively delays payouts by an unspecified amount of time which is roughly equal to the number of days the that the person at the bottom of the first block in queue has waited (currently 3-4 days).  So, everyone will be paid, it just takes a little longer while the queue is long pending a manual payout.

Thanks for everyone's patience.

Because death and disaster was one of my roles, is there a fail-back plan in the event that either you or WK get eaten by a lion?

Things happen. Also I hate to say it, but you guys should really be charging for your time if this is anything more than a sheer hobby/jake. I used to fix things for free, then people really started to burn me out and saw no value in what I did. Which kept other people from learning how to do it and ultimately led to a collapse of knowledge (why bother learning when it's free).

Thus why I charge to fix miners, watches, clocks, broken hearts. It sets a baseline for expectations and allows other people to come in and undercut my ass (which they do, which is the WHOLE POINT from my view). End result is that knowledge is maintained because people value it. Or not in which case it was a waste of time to try and save it anyway.

There you go. I'm spreading my little bitty miner power between eligus and eclipse these days. It's only a terrahash built up out of a lot of turbocharged BFG stuff, but it's something. And yeah eclipse is maddening when it goes 30 hours for a 2.8 cent payment due to crap luck, but that is the nature o' luck. It all evens out in the end.

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As long as wizkid057 doesn't have plans to be away, there should be a big manual payout on the 16th.

Does this mean we can expect manual payouts to happen somewhere next weekend or after.

The delays are caused by bugs or potential bugs.

In some cases, buggy miners (eg, cgminer on KnCMiner hardware) cannot handle generating payouts directly to miners.
This can really only be fixed by miners switching to other software.

In other cases (such as the current situation), a not-well-tested code path needs to run to continue generation, and required a human to carefully make sure it was doing so correctly.
This needs to be fixed on the pool side after careful code review to ensure it always works safely and never overpays.
Unfortunately, that itself takes human time, so hasn't happened yet.

The delay itself, after either of these occur, is due to security precautions to keep the offline wallet safe: it isn't easy to access, and requires wizkid057 and myself both at home.
This process is intentionally difficult to ensure the funds cannot be stolen.
I am away from home until March 15th (it is very rare I am away this long).
To try to improve this situation in the future (and address the "bus factor"), the plan is to make it so publicly-unknown third-parties can substitute for either wizkid057 or myself.
This too, however, takes development/human time, especially to ensure bitcoins don't get lost or compromised in the process.

No doubt! That's why I remembered it

I had to check if I really had read "the address that had sex in it". Thanks for my first morning chuckle!

Earlier in this thread, someone had said that the address that had sex in it was Bitmain. I have no other source, thus the question mark

I know its not typical I have been using this service for a bout a month and its been fine. I am just saying for this specific payout period its been about that time