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legendary
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February 09, 2019, 03:47:05 PM
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Never understood when people attack greed for being wrong. Greed isn't wrong, it's what started this country and what is going to continue to define it. I see little to no purpose in life if you're not continuously longing for some sort of end goal -- which is you, being greedy, and chasing a goal.

Punishing those that are job creators isn't going to work, and its seen in countries such as Venezuela the horrid atrocities that can come out of that mentality.

It's a standard socialist trick.

What I never understood about it is the simple fact that the greed of a person, like you or I, could never even begin to approach the greed of a country to steal from its citizens.

I guess we all think that until we actually achieve that kind of power, not saying all people would steal too but power certainly seems to change people.

I think people often mistakenly attribute the tendency for those types of individuals to seek power, with power changing people. Though I am sure it is very often the case, the most extreme examples people recognize are usually a case of that type of person seeking a position of power.
hero member
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Never understood when people attack greed for being wrong. Greed isn't wrong, it's what started this country and what is going to continue to define it. I see little to no purpose in life if you're not continuously longing for some sort of end goal -- which is you, being greedy, and chasing a goal.

Punishing those that are job creators isn't going to work, and its seen in countries such as Venezuela the horrid atrocities that can come out of that mentality.

It's a standard socialist trick.

What I never understood about it is the simple fact that the greed of a person, like you or I, could never even begin to approach the greed of a country to steal from its citizens.

I guess we all think that until we actually achieve that kind of power, not saying all people would steal too but power certainly seems to change people.
legendary
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Under such a system, we peeps would probably never pay another dime in 'taxes' as they are currently implemented.  And we would have a 'scared straight' government which functions better.


IRS taxes go to the Federal Reserve Bank, and are used as an indicator regarding how much more money government can borrow from them.

Government could shut down the Fed and start its own money system up again. Of course, anyone doing it would be executed like Kennedy was.

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legendary
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Forget Warren (who I wrote in for prez in my younger and more foolish days when she seemed to be anti-bankster) and her lukewarm two-party-theater garbage.  Here's what we do:

  • Define all debt since the creation of the Federal Reserve as 'Odios Debt.'

  • Implement a legal framework for claw-back of all wealth obtained by facilitating said debt.

  • Double or triple the wages of government workers...but impose extreme transparency on ALL personnel who make a living off the taxpayer's dime.  This would include those who win government contracts.  Selling out for personal wealth or dual-national loyalty reasons, would be punishable all the way up to the capital offense level.

    Those who don't want the heat are _free_ to stay out of the kitchen, and those who (wisely) choose to go that route can have privacy and enjoy the trappings of their efforts.

  • Operate a national and TRANSPARENT debt-based fiat monetary system with the interest/inflation operating the government instead of going onto the secret balance sheets multi-national private investors.


Under such a system, we peeps would probably never pay another dime in 'taxes' as they are currently implemented.  And we would have a 'scared straight' government which functions better.

legendary
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That is funny because the most intelligent people were socialists (Einstein, Hawking(

It is just greed, plain and simple.  Some people get joy from watching others suffer.  A lot of life comes down to luck but narcissists believe they did something extraordinary when it was just a roll of the dice.

Of course it's greed. The genius is to let people think they are free, and that they are benefiting themselves by their labor. Then the people will work hard and willingly, for themselves - 'cause they are greedy, too - while you pick up a little bit of profit off each of a big bunch of them.

In the Revolutionary war, the rich geniuses who figure out the Constitution needed help to fight King George. What they did was give the people real freedom so that the people would back them. And that almost wasn't enough.

Today, government consolidation is pulling the freedom away. It isn't the geniuses in government doing it. It is the Elizabeth Warrens. And the people are falling for it, 'cause they aren't intelligent enough to see what is really happening.

But it will ultimately backfire on her. People don't work well under socialistic slavery.

Cool
Never understood when people attack greed for being wrong. Greed isn't wrong, it's what started this country and what is going to continue to define it. I see little to no purpose in life if you're not continuously longing for some sort of end goal -- which is you, being greedy, and chasing a goal.

Punishing those that are job creators isn't going to work, and its seen in countries such as Venezuela the horrid atrocities that can come out of that mentality.

Greed is one of the primary destructive forces in people. Greed can cause people to focus on what they want so extremely fiercely that they forget to maintain their own life properly.

If we got rid of government regulations, and let people know it, people would automatically become their own job creators.

Cool

No one here has said that all government regulations are bad, as I think there are certain functions of government which are pretty vital. Some examples would be monitoring pollution -- as companies have no financial incentive to not pollute the earth, or to monitor the financial sector and ensure that people aren't taken advantage of.

Though there is burdensome regulation that may be well-intentioned but are in the way of progress and isn't really doing anything to support the country. Because there are certain issues that bureaucrats in Washington are only touching in order to ensure job security, and not to actually regulate for reason.
legendary
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That is funny because the most intelligent people were socialists (Einstein, Hawking(

It is just greed, plain and simple.  Some people get joy from watching others suffer.  A lot of life comes down to luck but narcissists believe they did something extraordinary when it was just a roll of the dice.

Of course it's greed. The genius is to let people think they are free, and that they are benefiting themselves by their labor. Then the people will work hard and willingly, for themselves - 'cause they are greedy, too - while you pick up a little bit of profit off each of a big bunch of them.

In the Revolutionary war, the rich geniuses who figure out the Constitution needed help to fight King George. What they did was give the people real freedom so that the people would back them. And that almost wasn't enough.

Today, government consolidation is pulling the freedom away. It isn't the geniuses in government doing it. It is the Elizabeth Warrens. And the people are falling for it, 'cause they aren't intelligent enough to see what is really happening.

But it will ultimately backfire on her. People don't work well under socialistic slavery.

Cool
Never understood when people attack greed for being wrong. Greed isn't wrong, it's what started this country and what is going to continue to define it. I see little to no purpose in life if you're not continuously longing for some sort of end goal -- which is you, being greedy, and chasing a goal.

Punishing those that are job creators isn't going to work, and its seen in countries such as Venezuela the horrid atrocities that can come out of that mentality.

Greed is one of the primary destructive forces in people. Greed can cause people to focus on what they want so extremely fiercely that they forget to maintain their own life properly.

If we got rid of government regulations, and let people know it, people would automatically become their own job creators.

Cool
legendary
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Never understood when people attack greed for being wrong. Greed isn't wrong, it's what started this country and what is going to continue to define it. I see little to no purpose in life if you're not continuously longing for some sort of end goal -- which is you, being greedy, and chasing a goal.

Punishing those that are job creators isn't going to work, and its seen in countries such as Venezuela the horrid atrocities that can come out of that mentality.

It's a standard socialist trick.

What I never understood about it is the simple fact that the greed of a person, like you or I, could never even begin to approach the greed of a country to steal from its citizens.
legendary
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LULZ in this thread the sky is falling, USA will become Venezuela, no one will create a business ever, no one will ever own anything, the government will control who makes my jeans and there will be bread lines 100 miles long because of a 2% tax on  ~.1% of the US population.

Ironically ~70% of Americans support higher taxes for the top tier of wealth holders.

If a person is taxed at 2% of their wealth how long would it take the government to take all of that persons money?  Answer: Never...

Never, because they will all flea the country to live in a place with lower taxes.
legendary
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LULZ in this thread the sky is falling, USA will become Venezuela, no one will create a business ever, no one will ever own anything, the government will control who makes my jeans and there will be bread lines 100 miles long because of a 2% tax on  ~.1% of the US population.

Ironically ~70% of Americans support higher taxes for the top tier of wealth holders.

If a person is taxed at 2% of their wealth how long would it take the government to take all of that persons money?  Answer: Never...
legendary
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Flying Hellfish is a Commie
That is funny because the most intelligent people were socialists (Einstein, Hawking(

It is just greed, plain and simple.  Some people get joy from watching others suffer.  A lot of life comes down to luck but narcissists believe they did something extraordinary when it was just a roll of the dice.

Of course it's greed. The genius is to let people think they are free, and that they are benefiting themselves by their labor. Then the people will work hard and willingly, for themselves - 'cause they are greedy, too - while you pick up a little bit of profit off each of a big bunch of them.

In the Revolutionary war, the rich geniuses who figure out the Constitution needed help to fight King George. What they did was give the people real freedom so that the people would back them. And that almost wasn't enough.

Today, government consolidation is pulling the freedom away. It isn't the geniuses in government doing it. It is the Elizabeth Warrens. And the people are falling for it, 'cause they aren't intelligent enough to see what is really happening.

But it will ultimately backfire on her. People don't work well under socialistic slavery.

Cool
Never understood when people attack greed for being wrong. Greed isn't wrong, it's what started this country and what is going to continue to define it. I see little to no purpose in life if you're not continuously longing for some sort of end goal -- which is you, being greedy, and chasing a goal.

Punishing those that are job creators isn't going to work, and its seen in countries such as Venezuela the horrid atrocities that can come out of that mentality.
legendary
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That is funny because the most intelligent people were socialists (Einstein, Hawking(

It is just greed, plain and simple.  Some people get joy from watching others suffer.  A lot of life comes down to luck but narcissists believe they did something extraordinary when it was just a roll of the dice.

Of course it's greed. The genius is to let people think they are free, and that they are benefiting themselves by their labor. Then the people will work hard and willingly, for themselves - 'cause they are greedy, too - while you pick up a little bit of profit off each of a big bunch of them.

In the Revolutionary war, the rich geniuses who figure out the Constitution needed help to fight King George. What they did was give the people real freedom so that the people would back them. And that almost wasn't enough.

Today, government consolidation is pulling the freedom away. It isn't the geniuses in government doing it. It is the Elizabeth Warrens. And the people are falling for it, 'cause they aren't intelligent enough to see what is really happening.

But it will ultimately backfire on her. People don't work well under socialistic slavery.

Cool
legendary
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That is funny because the most intelligent people were socialists (Einstein, Hawking(
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No, this kind of statement is nonsensical.

But if you think you can, go ahead and attempt to prove it.
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They are going to be really disappointed when they find out IQ doesn't measure intelligence. 
legendary
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That is funny because the most intelligent people were socialists (Einstein, Hawking(

It is just greed, plain and simple.  Some people get joy from watching others suffer.  A lot of life comes down to luck but narcissists believe they did something extraordinary when it was just a roll of the dice.


Communists and Socialists love taking credit for everything under the sun, as long as it is positive that is. You don't have any backing for those assertions. Also, it is funny you bring up narcissism since Communism/Socialism is composed of a school of ideological thought labeled "Critical Theory" which is meant to give Marxism an air of authority. It is essentially a form of viral collectivized narcissism.
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That is funny because the most intelligent people were socialists (Einstein, Hawking(

It is just greed, plain and simple.  Some people get joy from watching others suffer.  A lot of life comes down to luck but narcissists believe they did something extraordinary when it was just a roll of the dice.
legendary
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When you look at the average IQ of the various nations, you will find that the U.S. average is about 98 - https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php. Southeast Asian IQ is about 10 points higher than the USA.

The things that the chart doesn't show are the top IQs and how many geniuses there are in each country. Western Europeans and Americans have a reasonable number of geniuses, while SE Asians fall far below those numbers.

If you have geniuses making money, in order for them to do so, they will have to automatically spread the prosperity. When lower IQ Dems try to take wealth by force of government, the higher IQ geniuses will simply find ways around it.

The whole Elizabeth Warren thing is being used to conquer America by attempting to disrupt a great, genius-promoted economy.

A great website to find all kinds of behind the scenes info and statistics (although some of it is only available through books they promote or sell) is American Renaissance - https://www.amren.com/.

Cool
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If anyone is considered a leech on society it should be the wealthy.  They make money off renting houses, dividend paying stocks, etc.  They make money off OTHER peoples work.  No one is self made, without society their inventions would have never been successful.  We should all be a team working for a greater goal, not fighting against each other.



Yeah no shit, without society nothing would ever exist, what's your point? It's like saying, ''your restaurant would have no customers without society'' Yeah no shit.
legendary
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Taxes are apportioned as equally as possible. This means that if the wealthy are taxed, they will all be taxed somewhat equally. Where do they get their money to pay their taxes? They pass it on to us little people by increasing the price of their products and services they sell to us.

Elizabeth Warren knows this. She is simply trying to make herself look popular in the eyes of the simple minded Dems who DON'T know this, so that she might get elected to something next time around.

Cool

They don't have to increase the price of anything to make money, though, their services will always cost money.

Nobody is required to use their products and services. There are places in the Appalachian Mountains where they make almost all their own goods. And look at the Amish, for example. But that wasn't the point.

The point was that Warren is trying to make herself look good by talking taxing the rich... who will just pass any taxes on to the poor who buy their products and services.

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Elizabeth Warren released her greatest new idea -- a wealth tax on the super wealthy, would allow for a 2 percent tax on those people net worths that are above 50m.


A one size fits all tax program isn't going to be the way, I don't think that some people don't understand that super wealthy people (such as Jeff Bezos) aren't sitting around with piles of cash thinking about what to do next -- they're people with shares of a company that they're not exchanging on a daily basis. You're going to be taxing them on their networth, which isn't easy to analyze -- as the IRS is going to have to enforce this by looking at all of your assets and determining a market value for these assets.

But let's think about companies that aren't large, privately held companies that don't have values that are public. To verify if you're paying the correct amount, the IRS is going to have to hire private equity analyzers to find out how much a company is worth -- then probably have it disputed by the other side as they may have their team fighting them on the valuation (as they want it to be lower, to pay less in taxes)

None of this even harps on the fact that taxes on wealth are going to cause capital to leave the country and stifle innovation, as people are going to look towards ways to avoid this tax.

Also, there are multiple arguments about the constitutionality of such legislation -- as the Income Tax amendment doesn't allow for a tax on wealth by the Federal Government.

This is a pipe dream and without a doubt a way to try to please the base.

Let's see what everyone else thinks here.

Some random articles:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/elizabeth-warren-doesnt-understand-wealth-taxes-11549228772?mod=hp_opin_pos1
https://www.city-journal.org/elizabeth-warren-wealth-tax

she sells the entire billionaire club, for the presidency.
legendary
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We should all be a team working for a greater goal, not fighting against each other. If anyone is considered a leech on society it should be the wealthy.

You contradict yourself in your own statement. Again this is a classic case of "anyone who has more than me is bad". How about instead of focusing on them, you focus on the system that allowed them to do this? Such as the system I described above in detail that pumps the money to that class while the working class save burning currency and stay on a financial treadmill. The people who are our real enemies aren't even on that chart and no one here has ever heard their names. The people you are blaming are not our enemies, and to a certain extent we still need quite desperately.
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