Elon musk said in 2040 that he will create over 10 million robots - page 2.

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Quote from: jvanname on November 24, 2024, 08:43:44 AM

I am so glad that I am fucking banned from Twitter. It is truly a badge of honor. Twitter is a cesspool of stupid ass morons who worship Elon and fall into scams and reject truth.

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P.S. I now know why in the past people got hanged for idolatry. Idolators are super fucking annoying. Elon Musk worshippers are these annoying idolators. We seriously need to consider bringing back capital punishment for idolatry.

Getting banned as a badge of honor is truly a noble goal. Sign up all over the place so that you can get more badges of honor. Lol.

Meanwhile, Musk will continue to get other kinds of badges of honor, like the ones he will get for making robots... without the math on your Youtube site, btw.

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I am so glad that I am fucking banned from Twitter. It is truly a badge of honor. Twitter is a cesspool of stupid ass morons who worship Elon and fall into scams and reject truth.

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P.S. I now know why in the past people got hanged for idolatry. Idolators are super fucking annoying. Elon Musk worshippers are these annoying idolators. We seriously need to consider bringing back capital punishment for idolatry.

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Quote from: Hispo on November 23, 2024, 08:06:19 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 22, 2024, 10:19:20 AM

Then people could be free to do anything that they want. If they wanted to feel useful, they could make jobs for themselves. Otherwise they could travel the world, all at the expense of the robots... that would work for free, and even rebuild themselves when they broke down.

Ironically, you are talking about utopian communism there. Because if people have enough money, free time or wealth for them to do whatever they want at the expense of robots, then that could be kind of translated to a classless society, dont you think?
That is the difference between someone how owns the means of production and someone who is forced to sell their workforce? the average worker has limited schedule to do whatever they want and they cannot travel wherever they want, that is reserved for those who are the owners of the factory or the line of production.
Since you are pretty much into whatever Trump says about socialism and communism, I can only assume that utopia would be a nightmare to you, because you would be at the same level of Trump and Elon Musk, meaning you cannot continue to admire them from the bottom.

Robots and intelligent machines are going to be a reality, that is for sure, but they wont be used to decrease the gap of social inequality in the world, that would be going directly against the interest of those who program and manufacture the robots and the artificial intelligence in the first place.

If labor becomes worthless, then machines become more valuable and workers are displaced.

If it's work you want to do, simply move 10 bags of sand back and forth 10 times in a day. You don't even have to move them far... only 10 feet or so. Other people would love to travel the world.

I know. World travel can get boring after a few years of it. But I'm sure somebody could figure out something new to do.

In a perfect world, there wouldn't need to be any government. But since the world isn't perfect, the best we are seeing is the Constitution Republic of the USA, with the US government being a Democracy.

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guess there are already more than 10 million robots, I mean the idea that a robot has to look somewhat like a humanoid is not true, a robot can be anything like for example the many millions of robots that assemble cars, parts or control factories, etc.

See, creating robots is not such a big thing, creating robots that can actually have a high degree of independence is still quite a difficult task, so this is about knowing what robots does he speak about.

Quote from: Hispo on November 23, 2024, 08:06:19 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 22, 2024, 10:19:20 AM

Then people could be free to do anything that they want. If they wanted to feel useful, they could make jobs for themselves. Otherwise they could travel the world, all at the expense of the robots... that would work for free, and even rebuild themselves when they broke down.

Ironically, you are talking about utopian communism there. Because if people have enough money, free time or wealth for them to do whatever they want at the expense of robots, then that could be kind of translated to a classless society, dont you think?
That is the difference between someone how owns the means of production and someone who is forced to sell their workforce? the average worker has limited schedule to do whatever they want and they cannot travel wherever they want, that is reserved for those who are the owners of the factory or the line of production.
Since you are pretty much into whatever Trump says about socialism and communism, I can only assume that utopia would be a nightmare to you, because you would be at the same level of Trump and Elon Musk, meaning you cannot continue to admire them from the bottom.

Robots and intelligent machines are going to be a reality, that is for sure, but they wont be used to decrease the gap of social inequality in the world, that would be going directly against the interest of those who program and manufacture the robots and the artificial intelligence in the first place.

If labor becomes worthless, then machines become more valuable and workers are displaced.

Careful there, Elon does not say who owns the robots and he is no communist.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 22, 2024, 10:19:20 AM

Then people could be free to do anything that they want. If they wanted to feel useful, they could make jobs for themselves. Otherwise they could travel the world, all at the expense of the robots... that would work for free, and even rebuild themselves when they broke down.

Ironically, you are talking about utopian communism there. Because if people have enough money, free time or wealth for them to do whatever they want at the expense of robots, then that could be kind of translated to a classless society, dont you think?
That is the difference between someone how owns the means of production and someone who is forced to sell their workforce? the average worker has limited schedule to do whatever they want and they cannot travel wherever they want, that is reserved for those who are the owners of the factory or the line of production.
Since you are pretty much into whatever Trump says about socialism and communism, I can only assume that utopia would be a nightmare to you, because you would be at the same level of Trump and Elon Musk, meaning you cannot continue to admire them from the bottom.

Robots and intelligent machines are going to be a reality, that is for sure, but they wont be used to decrease the gap of social inequality in the world, that would be going directly against the interest of those who program and manufacture the robots and the artificial intelligence in the first place.

If labor becomes worthless, then machines become more valuable and workers are displaced.

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Quote from: Yucky on November 22, 2024, 10:50:44 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 22, 2024, 10:19:20 AM

Then people could be free to do anything that they want. If they wanted to feel useful, they could make jobs for themselves. Otherwise they could travel the world, all at the expense of the robots... that would work for free, and even rebuild themselves when they broke down.

Hahaha, I get the joke about self-sufficient robots that can rebuild, reprogram themselves, and do all the jobs, probably crediting human beings in the process. That makes sense to me. Elon Musk's plans to build ten million robots by 2030 don't bother me, but I know these robots can't be compared to human beings.

The fact that robots can't have a will of their own is where his technology flops. If you can't build a robot to make decisions on its own, then there's nothing a human being can build that can be compared to a human being. For instance, imagine changing your travel plans at the last minute – robots can't do that.

Robots are meant to assist human beings in the workplace. A fully automated company with no human interaction doesn't make sense. What's the point of products if not for human beings to buy and use? I'm not worried about robots taking over human beings. Instead, human beings will use robots to be more efficient in their workplace.

As the saying goes, "You shouldn't be scared of AI taking over your job, but be scared of that person who can control AI." We will be able to control these AIs. Let's just watch what Elon Musk builds and hope he doesn't hurt humanity in the process.

That's not a joke. With a sufficient amount of programming, robots could go to the 'robot doctor' and get fitted with replacement parts for broken or worn ones. While a robot brain will never experience emotion, or be able to produce art, they can be programmed to look like they are doing these things.

The question is, will some company ever make a 'city' of robots only? Why do this? Just to see if it is possible. Your guess is as good as mine as to what a city of robots would be doing, especially if they weren't doing it for people.

The thing that might happen is, some psychopath might try to take over the world using highly programmed robots. Musk probably isn't like this, but who will be running his things when he is dead and gone? Robots?

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Quote from: BADecker on November 22, 2024, 10:19:20 AM

Then people could be free to do anything that they want. If they wanted to feel useful, they could make jobs for themselves. Otherwise they could travel the world, all at the expense of the robots... that would work for free, and even rebuild themselves when they broke down.

Hahaha, I get the joke about self-sufficient robots that can rebuild, reprogram themselves, and do all the jobs, probably crediting human beings in the process. That makes sense to me. Elon Musk's plans to build ten million robots by 2030 don't bother me, but I know these robots can't be compared to human beings.

The fact that robots can't have a will of their own is where his technology flops. If you can't build a robot to make decisions on its own, then there's nothing a human being can build that can be compared to a human being. For instance, imagine changing your travel plans at the last minute – robots can't do that.

Robots are meant to assist human beings in the workplace. A fully automated company with no human interaction doesn't make sense. What's the point of products if not for human beings to buy and use? I'm not worried about robots taking over human beings. Instead, human beings will use robots to be more efficient in their workplace.

As the saying goes, "You shouldn't be scared of AI taking over your job, but be scared of that person who can control AI." We will be able to control these AIs. Let's just watch what Elon Musk builds and hope he doesn't hurt humanity in the process.

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If you drive an average car, you are driving something that was partly robot made. Those robots are not humanoid, however.

Robots are helpers for people. They will never take over all the jobs, because people without a job don't make money to buy products. And companies who can't sell their products shut down... and the robots right along with them.

Ideally, robots should take over all the jobs, people should go on welfare for 1,000,000x what welfare recipients get now. Then people could be free to do anything that they want. If they wanted to feel useful, they could make jobs for themselves. Otherwise they could travel the world, all at the expense of the robots... that would work for free, and even rebuild themselves when they broke down.

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I wouldn’t doubt Elon, he seems to achieve many of the things he says he will. He’s an incredible mind, one of the most intelligent human beings that ever lived. I don’t think he makes many claims that are unachievable. Ten million might seem like a lot but 2040 is 15 years ago & AI is improving all the time. These robots are incredible, I would probably buy one in the future.

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Coming from Elon Musk, it's a dangerous goal he has. This man is attempting to lead the world towards a global centralization around his image. He is selling himself as the Messiah, the savior who is going to solve everyone's problems through technology. But at which cost?

Of course it's great to think on the accessibility robots would bring to us humans. They would do the hardwork, and we would just enjoy the fruits of their labor. However, it's not what life is about. What is the purpose of having a lazy life where AI does all the cognitive and physical tasks you should be doing?

Moreover, such robots aren't meant only to help, but also to destroy, depending how they were programmed. If you think from this point of view, you will see Musk is announcing he is going to build a private army...

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Quote from: Die_empty on November 21, 2024, 06:08:46 AM

Robots can never think like human beings. They cannot develop human feelings and be creative or innovative.

Anything biological can be upgraded to silicon. If Tony Stark had a turtle, you can bet it's shell would be impenetrable.

Robots will never think like humans - you are correct. Humans can concentrate on one thing at a time, while a single robot can replace an entire call center.

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Quote from: Loveday422 on November 20, 2024, 11:50:37 PM

Let's look in to this,if Elon musk creates this robots,not even to create robots he said he will create robots that will hhave all human characteristics so to fixed them in all area of human effort.
That's means human effort will be useless, because their's nothing u can do that robots can do
And a time will come when all this robots will start disobeying their normal instructions.

Robots can never think like human beings. They cannot develop human feelings and be creative or innovative. They will always perform specific tasks based on how they have been programmed. Humans can never be useless because even these robots need people to operate, maintain, and even repair them. Robots will always malfunction because they are not perfect, but the producer will keep improving them until their errors become minimal. Elon Musk wants to achieve so many things, I like his desperation, but it is getting out of hand.

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Quote from: Vod on November 21, 2024, 12:32:27 AM

Quote from: Loveday422 on November 20, 2024, 11:50:37 PM

And a time will come when all this robots will start disobeying their normal instructions.

Robots will never go against programming - they'll just be reprogrammed.

How is Trump going to put everyone to work with great wages if eight figures of super efficient workers are added to the economy each year? Will ge deport 15M illegals a year?

Those are contradictions which do not have solutions, so Trump does not even bother to answer questions related to them. Before election day he was asked by a mexican worker about how he was going to plan to replace the fruit collectors (who are mostly illegal immigrants) if they plan to deport all of them back to their home countries. He did not answer the question, he started to talk non-sense and unrelated stuff.
In the end, he does not care about the jobs of those who might get replaced by robots, he is in for billionaires to continue to expand their fortunes, though, one must admit that the plan of an initial massive deportation and replacement by robots seem to be along pretty well and the beginning, but there are not enough people to deport from the United States compared to the number of Units Elon Musk wants to have walking around and working in factories and on the fields.

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Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to technological advancements, infact the only thing that will beat my imagination is if a machine can raise the dead, I know that it's impossible. I've seen something similar to what you're saying in one documentary about robots, how it'll do all sorts of jobs for humans, including house chores. I think that when it gets to that age where robots will be doing everything for us, it'll degenerate to a stage where humans will become so lazy and ineffective, I don't think that it'll be in the best interest of human beings.

Computers and every other machineries including robots are supposed to make our jobs easier and more effective, not doing what we're supposed to do for ourselves naturally. Who's to say that some evil geniuses wouldn't alter their programings and they'll become menaces to human beings, we should be careful about what we wish for.

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Quote from: Loveday422 on November 20, 2024, 11:50:37 PM

And a time will come when all this robots will start disobeying their normal instructions.

Robots will never go against programming - they'll just be reprogrammed.

How is Trump going to put everyone to work with great wages if eight figures of super efficient workers are added to the economy each year? Will ge deport 15M illegals a year?

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Let's look in to this,if Elon musk creates this robots,not even to create robots he said he will create robots that will hhave all human characteristics so to fixed them in all area of human effort.
That's means human effort will be useless, because their's nothing u can do that robots can do
And a time will come when all this robots will start disobeying their normal instructions.

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