Topic: ⭐⭐ Elysium Wallet - Full control, zero trust - made in switzerland ⭐⭐ - page 2. (Read 692 times)

Hi there guys, Gianmarco here, one of the two founders & CTO of Elysium. I'm here to answer some of your questions as I see there are many, especially from the technical perspective.

I'm honestly new to this forum so if I don't answer or select a specific question, please forgive me, I'm learning

So I'll address the most important questions and answer them straight away:

Question:
Answer: Generally speaking, the Elysium wallet is a fully non-custodial wallet with a new proprietary algorithm for user onboarding. We have developed a Multi-Factor Authentication (MFA) system that is fully keyless, so the key is never stored on the device but always recreated on demand when the user needs to sign a transaction. Of course, we also support account recovery. Currently, this process requires the Elysium server to be online, but by the end of the year, we will release a new version where users can still restore their accounts even if our infrastructure is down.

Question:
Answer: The wallet is not open source yet. We're currently working on IP protection but we intend to release more information in the future without compromising the IP. As mentioned, the algorithm is proprietary and we plan to patent it as it can be used not only in the Bitcoin industry but also as a general authentication method (in the future). We'll present more details in the coming months. There will be also a desktop version but later next year, for now we are releasing just the mobile version.

Question:
Answer: The algorithm we've prepared is compatible with BIP39 and the derivation path is "m/84'/...", which is BIP84 HD SegWit (BIP 84 Bech32 – Native) to save on fees and keep up with the times and innovations in this world. We'll integrate other BIPs in the future, but for now it's based on this BIP. At the moment, there isn't a GitHub from which to download the app, but that will also be done in the future when the technology is protected and stable.

Question:
Answer: The current supported countries are: Germany, France, Austria, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Spain, Denmark, Ireland, Hungary, Malta, Cyprus, Estonia, Greece, Belgium, Finland, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Poland, Luxembourg, Croatia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Switzerland
We are about to release it worldwide in the coming weeks. The next countries will be:
India, Brazil, El Salvador, Argentina, Ukraine, Serbia, United Arab Emirates (UAE), Albania

Question:
Answer: Thank you for the feedback. The problems we are facing on the app being available worldwide are because our provider for the exchange is not available worldwide and we are about to release it soon. The app as non-custodial could be available worldwide, while for the services inside we need to follow regulations worldwide.

Question:
Answer: Thank you very much for the feedback, it's very important to us. As written before, the countries where it's available for now are limited but will be expanded in the future.

Question:
Answer: The service is fully non-custodial as explained in the previous answers. Moreover, while its UX is similar to an exchange, it is completely non-custodial. I'm not sure which service you're referring to, but our operation is the same as other non-custodial wallets, just with a new algorithm and better security and UX.

Question:
Answer: We will introduce advanced features in the future such as connections with personal nodes, different ways of deriving accounts, multisig and much more. For now, we want to simplify access to this technology for newcomers but also for experienced people who want to have more security in managing their funds thanks to the new technology we are developing.


Hope this answers give you a better understanding of the wallet and the technology itself!

If you have further questions or feedback feel free to comment or send me a DM on X (formerly Twitter) here: @gianguazz

Cheers

When I was creating keys and addresses on the wallet, I saw 'create wallet'. And below it, I saw 'import wallet'.

When I clicked on create wallet, I saw this:





When I clicked on import wallet, I saw this:




These is an encouragement to let people not to know what seed phrase is. Although, if you go to settings, you can click on 'extract private key's to see your seed phrase. I test it with Iancoleman BIP39 tool and it was BIP84 as the address on the wallet is the same as the first address on Iancoleman BIP39 tool.

So the reason I can not use the wallet is because it is close source and it is encouraging people to use passkey in a way newbies might not know what seed phrase is. The passkey is not optional but mandatory while using the wallet.

You just need to delete Google Play data, run VPN using one of these countries and then open Google Play to download the app.
only 50 downloads so I will not risk downloading the app.



As long as there are country restrictions I do not think the wallet will give the possibility of extracting the private key.

I think that you can, it's possible. You can change your location through that VPN even if google has logs of the location of IPs where you've come from. While I agree that they sure are invading our privacy and have traces from the steps where we've been and where we've come from.

Nice and that only proves that it's possible to use VPN if the app isn't available in your country, it's successfully bypass the limits of countries that it's allowed to download.

About the security and privacy it promises to provide maximum support to a user is appreciable. But one thing I'm curious to know is that it might be attractive only to experienced Bitcoin users and crypto enthusiasts who like decentralization, but will it be that appealing to casual Bitcoin or crypto users? With having advance features I think it's important to balance simplicity for the average users.

To be honest, use of VPNs is a short term solution in trying to test out the wallet and the alike.. but for long term usage for users wanting to hold coins on the wallet, I think Elysium team have the power to change all this for its own benefit..

And why all these restrictions to the wallet, is it not more beneficial if it was accessible to more users around
the world than the 27 countries listed

Do wallets follow a regulation code to be accessible by others ?? Why not use a legal team to draft their T&C's to protect themselves if it's legality they are worried about than the Geo lock's used here.

Can you try to use it without using a VPN so that we know if the restriction applies only to the download or to the use of this wallet at all?

It is not attractive to me to use a wallet limited to a certain area and where I only have to use it via VPN. It makes things even more difficult because, as far as I can see, it is intended only for mobile devices, there is no web/desktop version at all.

Make use of VPN because some regions were restricted for use, but you will be fine after downloading it through VPN, that was what I also use at the first attempt and am able to access the wallet, check the screenshot below.

I actually make use of a VPN in doing so.

I only found the image, all of them are European countries.


I read on reddit, they said it's possible, by creating an email account using VPN and then use VPN with the same country when you're access Google Plat Store.

There must be a way because the signature campaign posted by @OP, I see there are users who speak Nigerian, Russian etc but they able to post their wallet username.

I also wondered about that, although i didn't mention it earlier since i never see they claim their wallet is open-source.


Do you use VPN only to download the wallet or also using the wallet?

VPN can not be used to download it so far it is on Google Play Store. Google knows before, the location that we are the moment we have been using the mobile device and used the email to register for Google products and services on the device. They invade privacy than we can think.

I think it would be different from this like custodial Coinbase and Freewallet which are providing custodial service. According to what I read on Play Store about the wallet, it is noncustodial. Probably it would be like Unstoppable wallet that has swap feature. But I may be wrong. What that can make us know about the wallet is when we download it and see how the wallet is.

Indonesians can't download Elysium wallets is it because of restrictions? It's not an exchange or casino which should have no restrictions for non-custodial wallets.

Which countries are those out of 27 countries? Do you have the list?
I didn't find the list of countries on Elysium.

Without mentioning the possibility of extracting the private key or seed and using it with any compatible standard, the service will still be closer to a crypto exchange than a wallet. There is a famous wallet, which is free wallet, have the same idea, but their reputation is very bad, so I hope the service is not similar to what they offer.

Checking the thread on their bounty and it's the problem of everyone that they probably haven't fixed yet. I'll just wait until it's ready to be downloaded and see the feedback of many.

From which region/country are you from? did you use a VPN just to download the wallet?
I think this thread belongs to Bitcoin Wallet for Android.

I have downloaded the wallet, tried it and find it to be interesting, though some are complaining not being able to download the said wallet because of their location, but some also make use of vpn in doing so, i think this has a lot to offer in terms of security and safety, users friendly and the likes, whereas i know they will also be working on some other things to ensure that this wallet is going to be one of the most recommended in  due time.

Welcome to bitcointalk

https://www.elysiumlab.io/faq

I was checking out Elysiumlab website FAQ page and I noticed that keys are generated differently from other wallets, but it is not explained how exactly.
There are other wallets that user biometrics in combination with passwords and other data, but problem is how to recover keys in different wallets.
There is no source code link on website so I have to assume that Elysium wallet is probably closed source.
Remembering multiple passwords can be a real problem, and they have to be stored somewhere.

Non Custodial wallets are for international use and there is no restriction of any country from the ones I have seen and used but yours have selected countries to use. And only that has indicated that it is not self custodial wallet. And also self custodial wallets have no much features on the interface and the most important thing in the home page or interface is "Receive, Send or Scan" might be at the bottom. But yours has different features. And I didn't see the open source information in the App. And there is a link to request to delete the account, and I think that link should be removed because the wallet has been created by the user and if he uninstall the app, and later interested to use again, he can install it. But when the account is deleted, what about the address and the private key?

And finally I discovered that the wallet is still under development. Many features are still on the description that "it is coming soon"

On the other sig thread I have seen most people not being able to download this wallet including myself, and one of the team members mentioned it's only available in 27 countries.. To simplify everything, is it possible to get a list of supported countries so that we know if we can download this wallet without endless questions to the team.

Btw, why the restrictions on who can and who can't download the wallet

I wanted to download it to find out if it is a BIP39 wallet and also to know the bitcoin derivational paths it is supporting. But I was unable to download it on Google Play Store.





Most noncustodial wallets are on Google Play Store for people in my country to download. Why is this different when there is no any government restriction?

Is there any reputable site like GitHub that I can download the wallet file? Is the wallet open source? How can we know the public can check and review the code like the code to be available on GitHub?

I am also interested in the technical features the wallet has. It looks like it was once advertised to be open source, but there is no such info in your thread and I cannot find the source codes either.

Is there a desktop version being worked on and does the wallet support transactions to multiple recipients at the same time?

- Jay -