Is a experienced lawyer exempt from disclosing to the authorities that they're in procession of stolen funds?
Client-attorney privilege covers that. P.M. holds the funds "in trust". There's a long history of this type of arrangements to hold up to all kinds of judicial challenges. 
Topic: Email received from Bitcoinica just a moment ago. From Zhou - page 2. (Read 5909 times)
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Patrick Murck is an experienced lawyer who is also very familiar with Bitcoin. He was asked by some creditors and stakeholders of
Bitcoinica to broker the transactions. I was supposed to be act as an intermediary between the hacker and Patrick Murck to faciliate
the recovery of stolen funds.
Bitcoinica to broker the transactions. I was supposed to be act as an intermediary between the hacker and Patrick Murck to faciliate
the recovery of stolen funds.
Is a experienced lawyer exempt from disclosing to the authorities that they're in procession of stolen funds?
~Bruno~
At least he's doing a favour by returning the money. This will be the first ever Bitcoin-related hack that has the funds returned.
Good to hear Chen finally saw some sense and is returning the full 40K USD + 40K BTC
Oh wait..
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Chen Jianhai has agreed to return at least $140,000 and 20,000 BTC under the condition that Bitcoinica LP will not start a police investigation about the hack.
Zhou, if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. And your reputation can easily be restored once it turns out you have been doing the right thing all along.
EDIT: However I find it hard to believe a corporate entity such as Bitcoinica LP can agree to these terms set by Chen. I don't even think it is legal. The only way not to be a thief and be exonerated is to return *all* the stolen money. Plain and simple. You can not steal, return half and set terms that amount to blackmail. Maybe you can tell Chen that. He is a multi-millionaire after all.
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This is as well the only thief that has been identified. He needs to pay from his pocket any cents missing. And he should be lucky not to be locked up in jail for that amount of money
ZT, I respect the fact that you care and explain to your customers.
Zhou, you checked your iPod (or whatever ...) to a virus? 
(dont laugh, I'm serious, to _ does not exist in the database the virus _ a new virus?)
(dont laugh, I'm serious, to _ does not exist in the database the virus _ a new virus?) 
You can not steal, return half and set terms that amount to blackmail. Maybe you can tell Chen that. He is a multi-millionaire after all.
He didn't steal half.
He stole 40kBTC and $40kUSD (44kBTC total), but is returning 20kBTC and $140kUSD (34kBTC total), so its 10k pocketed.
Keep in mind the BTC value has risen to $10 since the hack, it was hovering around $5 at the time IIRC.
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On July 26, AurumXchange has posted a statement [nameterrific.cmail4.com] publicly stating some information found in the recent
Bitcoinica hack. I was pointed to be an important suspect due to a link of this hack to one of my "sockpuppet" email addresses used
for anonymously testing websites. After a short period, I have replied to emphasize this fact [nameterrific.cmail4.com] and also a
possible email hack.
Bitcoinica hack. I was pointed to be an important suspect due to a link of this hack to one of my "sockpuppet" email addresses used
for anonymously testing websites. After a short period, I have replied to emphasize this fact [nameterrific.cmail4.com] and also a
possible email hack.
I find it odd that you never used that email address to test Mt Gox prior to joining them with via your xwaylab email address and not seen elsewhere on the Mt Gox dump file.
~Bruno~
At least he's doing a favour by returning the money. This will be the first ever Bitcoin-related hack that has the funds returned.
Good to hear Chen finally saw some sense and is returning the full 40K USD + 40K BTC
Oh wait..
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Chen Jianhai has agreed to return at least $140,000 and 20,000 BTC under the condition that Bitcoinica LP will not start a police investigation about the hack.
Zhou, if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. And your reputation can easily be restored once it turns out you have been doing the right thing all along.
EDIT: However I find it hard to believe a corporate entity such as Bitcoinica LP can agree to these terms set by Chen. I don't even think it is legal. The only way not to be a thief and be exonerated is to return *all* the stolen money. Plain and simple. You can not steal, return half and set terms that amount to blackmail. Maybe you can tell Chen that. He is a multi-millionaire after all.
Perhaps that's the way it's taught at Trinity College which Zhou Tong claims to attend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_College_(University_of_Melbourne)
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In addition to its resident community of around 300 students and tutors of the university, Trinity includes three other major educational programs: Trinity College Foundation Studies, which prepares 700–800 international students for admission to the University of Melbourne annually
http://www.trinity.unimelb.edu.au/
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Founded in 1872 as the first residential college of the University of Melbourne, Trinity is a unique tertiary institution that provides a diverse range of high-quality academic programs for some 1500 talented students from across Australia and around the world.
The 1500 figure represents the 300 residences and the online students.
~Bruno~
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Chen Jianhai has agreed to return at least $140,000 and 20,000 BTC under the condition that Bitcoinica LP will not start a police investigation about the hack.
OK, perfect. Don't start a police investigation, but why don't Bitcoinica LP do its own investigation, gathers evidence & takes this multi-millionaire to court (civil court if a criminal court isn't possible). I don't think a police investigation would help much with a BTC theft anyways.
At least he's doing a favour by returning the money. This will be the first ever Bitcoin-related hack that has the funds returned.
Good to hear Chen finally saw some sense and is returning the full 40K USD + 40K BTC
Oh wait..
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Chen Jianhai has agreed to return at least $140,000 and 20,000 BTC under the condition that Bitcoinica LP will not start a police investigation about the hack.
Zhou, if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. And your reputation can easily be restored once it turns out you have been doing the right thing all along.
EDIT: However I find it hard to believe a corporate entity such as Bitcoinica LP can agree to these terms set by Chen. I don't even think it is legal. The only way not to be a thief and be exonerated is to return *all* the stolen money. Plain and simple. You can not steal, return half and set terms that amount to blackmail. Maybe you can tell Chen that. He is a multi-millionaire after all.
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Furthermore, there are repeated threats of violence and informal investigations that can put my family, friends and myself into
dangerous situations.
dangerous situations.
I stopped reading right here to comment. You telling us that mentioning the relic collector's name is not a threat to you or your family, but an informal investigation by an alpaca is?
~Bruno~
(back to reading)
He wouldn't believe me that I'm in Australia, lol. He insisted that I was still a student in Singapore.
Maybe he will send someone to my PO Box to look for me. (And the mailman emails me every morning if there's anything in my PO Box, so I go there like once a week.)
But anyway, I don't want to cross the line here by providing more detailed identity information about him. At least he's doing a favour by returning the money. This will be the first ever Bitcoin-related hack that has the funds returned.
Good point! You got me there. Rucky for you he's not smart enough to go to the college you attend in Australia and wait to see if some likeness of you walks out of some Math 101 class. Rucky for you he also doesn't read English or visit this forum to read what I just penned.
A quick question, one I'm sure you'll have no problem answering. Have you ever been to Australia before, prior to starting college there? Be very careful how you answer that question, for some alpaca is about to hand me an envelope.
~Bruno~
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Furthermore, there are repeated threats of violence and informal investigations that can put my family, friends and myself into
dangerous situations.
dangerous situations.
I stopped reading right here to comment. You telling us that mentioning the relic collector's name is not a threat to you or your family, but an informal investigation by an alpaca is?
~Bruno~
(back to reading)
He wouldn't believe me that I'm in Australia, lol. He insisted that I was still a student in Singapore.
Maybe he will send someone to my PO Box to look for me. (And the mailman emails me every morning if there's anything in my PO Box, so I go there like once a week.)
But anyway, I don't want to cross the line here by providing more detailed identity information about him. At least he's doing a favour by returning the money. This will be the first ever Bitcoin-related hack that has the funds returned.
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Furthermore, there are repeated threats of violence and informal investigations that can put my family, friends and myself into
dangerous situations.
dangerous situations.
I stopped reading right here to comment. You telling us that mentioning the relic collector's name is not a threat to you or your family, but an informal investigation by an alpaca is?
~Bruno~
(back to reading)
Ugh, this is the most depressing hack ever. Zhou, I don't trust you, but I really do hope you're doing ok. Same for Amir. I'd love to get those coins back, but I've discounted it for my own sanity and largely have ignored this thing for the past several weeks. I've already said this a bunch of times before, but what this whole experience has driven home to me is the value of controlling my bitcoins. And so the majority of them sit safely in offline wallets. At the very least, thanks for really teaching me that they're not my bitcoins if I can't control them.
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I'm an Agnostic and a Libertarian who believes in living one's life for others' good, and the
accusations are clearly against my value judgement.
I'm an Agnostic and a Libertarian who believes in living one's life for others' good, and the
accusations are clearly against my value judgement.
Unfortunately that phrase must be a lie. Libertarians are the most selfish pricks on the planet, and proud of it. In fact the enitre Libertarian ideology can be summed up in 4 words "Got mine, fuck you."
Don't be ridiculous. It's, "Fuck you, got mine."
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I'm an Agnostic and a Libertarian who believes in living one's life for others' good, and the
accusations are clearly against my value judgement.
I'm an Agnostic and a Libertarian who believes in living one's life for others' good, and the
accusations are clearly against my value judgement.
Unfortunately that phrase must be a lie. Libertarians are the most selfish pricks on the planet, and proud of it. In fact the enitre Libertarian ideology can be summed up in 4 words "Got mine, fuck you."
Self-interest is not selfishness.
A mature Libertarian knows that for his needs to be satisfied, he has to do good for others first. In a market, he improves the marginal utility for the counter-party so that the trade can happen mutually voluntarily.
They can only possibly say "got mine, f**k you" when they know they will die soon. Otherwise it's never good for his self-interest.
Unfortunately that phrase must be a lie. Libertarians are the most selfish pricks on the planet, and proud of it. In fact the enitre Libertarian ideology can be summed up in 4 words "Got mine, fuck you."
Based on experience with other libertarians, that statement is demonstrably false. You must be trying to troll people.
It's best to view the full web version so that all links and formats are enabled (they are there for a purpose).
http://nameterrific.createsend5.com/t/ViewEmail/j/7716A98B996695CD
(Ignore the nameterrific subdomain. I don't have a personal Campaign Monitor account. Your email addresses will NOT be used in NameTerrific marketing.)
Thanks!
Can you tell me, why you see the need to monitor who is viewing this and clicking which links?http://nameterrific.createsend5.com/t/ViewEmail/j/7716A98B996695CD
(Ignore the nameterrific subdomain. I don't have a personal Campaign Monitor account. Your email addresses will NOT be used in NameTerrific marketing.)
Thanks!
I use Campaign Monitor to send emails to 1,000+ recipients without being banned or categorized as spam. The email addresses were obtained with permission and the content is very close related to Bitcoinica.
I can't use Postmark to send the email with a script because this is not a transactional email. I can't use Gmail because they don't allow so many recipients. I don't want to send emails individually for obvious reasons. I don't want to send the emails with Postfix/sendmail because that will be result in false positives or IP ban (Amazon EC2 IPs are mostly tainted with spam already).
So the only choice is Campaign Monitor, which is very similar to MailChimp.
I'm not interested in tracking the opens or clicks. Campaign Monitor is just a tool to send emails in this case.
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I'm an Agnostic and a Libertarian who believes in living one's life for others' good, and the
accusations are clearly against my value judgement.
I'm an Agnostic and a Libertarian who believes in living one's life for others' good, and the
accusations are clearly against my value judgement.
Unfortunately that phrase must be a lie. Libertarians are the most selfish pricks on the planet, and proud of it. In fact the enitre Libertarian ideology can be summed up in 4 words "Got mine, fuck you."
And you didn't get a lawyer? 
It's best to view the full web version so that all links and formats are enabled (they are there for a purpose).
http://nameterrific.createsend5.com/t/ViewEmail/j/7716A98B996695CD
(Ignore the nameterrific subdomain. I don't have a personal Campaign Monitor account. Your email addresses will NOT be used in NameTerrific marketing.)
Thanks!
Can you tell me, why you see the need to monitor who is viewing this and clicking which links?http://nameterrific.createsend5.com/t/ViewEmail/j/7716A98B996695CD
(Ignore the nameterrific subdomain. I don't have a personal Campaign Monitor account. Your email addresses will NOT be used in NameTerrific marketing.)
Thanks!
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